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4 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

Agreed ... and that's why ardent Brexiteers never want to go near another one. You can't fool the people all of the time. 

 

It's the fear of what that democratic act would tell them.

 

 

 

 

You really need to talk to MPs - who have (at the moment) no interest in another referendum, even though the vast majority are remainers and looking for a way to remain - without a number of them losing their seats.....

Ask yourself why they are so uninterested in another referendum ????.

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

At least you accept it is only a matter of degree of difficulty. 

 

 

Not at all.

The remain side (before the referendum) threw up every biased expert possible to convince the electorate that voting for leave would immediately result in catastrophe!  Osborne was (IMO) the straw that broke the camel's back - when he promised a 'punishment budget' ????.

I think we will never agree as you clearly believe that the referendum was influenced by russians etc - even though whilst young people are addicted to fb and other similar types of social media, older people are far less likely to spend anything like as much time on these types of social media!

35 minutes ago, vogie said:

I think the point of his post has gone over your head. It was an exercise to show how easy it is to manipulate these epetitions, therefore to further exasperate democracy.

Quite.

Online petitions are easy to manipulate by those determined to do so.

Referendums are far more difficult to manipulate.

19 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Others have replied on this, but just to clear one point up:- 

I am against Brexit for many reasons, it is true that there is an element of personal interest in some of them. I would have thought that applies to all of us on both sides of this argument though. My main reason for being against Brexit is the rather mundane one of believing that it will have a terrible effect on our economy, and most people other than some of the super rich, will suffer. Ironically, the working class Brexit voters who were lead to believe that the EU was the source of all their woes, will probably suffer most. This would give me no pleasure at all.

Quite apart from the 'fact' I (use the term v loosely!) that most of the poorer paid brits. are as sick and tired of their own govt. as they are the eu  (so not thinking the eu "was the source of all their woes"), hopefully, they also realise that if the brit. govt. is able to over-ride the referendum result - they will be in even worse trouble in the future!

On the other hand, if they manage to stop brit./eu politicians from a brino/revoke article 50 decision - politicians on both sides will be far more wary of the electorate in future, and may even start listening to them for a while!

52 minutes ago, Henryford said:

Tell that to Denmark, the Netherlands, Ireland and now Britain.

To look on the bright side, as far as I can see, the brits. aren't as easily 'broken''by msm and fear mongering tactics!

Which is why MPs (the vast majority of whom are remainers) aren't keen on another referendum ????.

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Could it be that there are tens of thousands on holiday?

Of course not, the leavers would prefer to believe it was all manipulated, yet stick their head in the sand over the referendum result.

They just want to ignore the fact that if the referendum had been legally binding the result would have been in the courts long before now.

There's a HUGE difference between an online petition which is easy to manipulate (using bots, people from other countries voting etc. etc.) and a referendum where each vote has to be cast individually, and mostly in person!

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

last night EU 28 agreed 2 A50 extension variants, both based on deal being voted on next week

 

today I read on BBC News that voting may not find place next week

 

didn't take May long to deviate from what was agreed

 

 

I thought Bercow had stated that an unchanged deal could not be voted on for a third time?

So why would may and the eu think it could be voted on again next week?

They must know something the rest of us don't?

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Then all the EU has to do is say to the UK, OK just go on 29th March and if you want to talk to the EU after that then give us a call.

The uk should have said that a long time ago.....

23 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

It cannot be said enough that there will be NO HARD BREXIT - a big majority of MPs, a hugely compliant speaker and the EU simply do not want it and the work has begun of what happens next. May and her WA are now pretty much in the bin. 

 

A cross-party group of MPs is now considering how best to allow parliament to force May towards a softer Brexit or no Brexit at all. A new amendment has been laid for debate on Monday by Tory MP Sir Oliver Letwin and Labour MP Hilary Benn that would give parliament the chance to vote on ways forward.

Inclined to agree.

But MPs know that for more than a few, this is likely to cost them their seats ????.

Which is why it's great fun at the moment watching them squirm and try to find a way around a genuine brexit!

Hopefully, it will be even more fun at the next GE!

1 minute ago, damascase said:

Why is this blackmail? It is the UK begging for more time, if May hadn’t done that the UK would be out next week. It is not the EU stopping the UK, but that doesn’t people stop from putting the blame on ‘Brussels’..........

You misunderstand.

We are blaming both the uk govt. and the eu for the non-existent 'negotiations'!

30 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You still peddling that project fear. even the looney Mark Carney has changed his tune as record employment and businesses doing better than expected. You really should stop watching the BBC or reading the Guardian and Independent Newspapers. We have been hearing for 3 years how the UK would be in an economic. meltdown and still it isn't. When are you going to admit that that is not going to or has happened as continually predicted.

 

So wishful thinking. Is that an opinion or do you have evidence for this.

 

Eventually the UK will leave the EU. Start to accept it.

 

It is a shame that remainers lack vision, strength, passion and creativity to believe that if you are not in with the other 27 countries you are doomed. It shorts shortsightedness of the world, as it is a big place and the EU is not the worlds dominant force.

"You still peddling that project fear. even the looney Mark Carney has changed his tune as record employment and businesses doing better than expected. You really should stop watching the BBC or reading the Guardian and Independent Newspapers. We have been hearing for 3 years how the UK would be in an economic. meltdown and still it isn't. When are you going to admit that that is not going to or has happened as continually predicted"

Mostly agree (but not with unemployment 'statistics' that have been manipulated beyond comprehension.....).

Project fear is still in full swing, but this time directed at MPs who are fearful of losing their seats ????.