Bkk Brian

I'm with you, I made a similar post some time ago. But I'll expand a little. Just like the war between Ukraine and Russia I believe there is a clear instigator who started this and who has carried out mass atrocities. I don't believe in sitting on the fence with that war and I don't believe in sitting on the fence on the war between Israel and the terrorists Hamas. Just like the Ukraine/Russia war, while I am firmly on the side of Ukraine, I also believe that Ukraine has committed a few unfortunate incidents that could be classed as war crimes, however they are few are far between, Russia however has been systematic in this and on a very different scale with intent. The same can be said of this war. Hamas carries out war crimes systemically and daily, its part of its make up, how it fights. Using human shields are a war crime as is using the civilian infrastructure to fight from and of course rockets fired indiscriminately into civilian areas into Israel, along with a good percentage of those landing back in Gaza killing its own civilians. This is without even mentioning the 7th oct atrocities. The IDF has also made mistakes in its bombing campaign and admitted as such in some incidents, they could if investigated be possible war crimes? Again the huge difference here is scale and intent, Hamas deliberate daily war crimes with intent. If Israel stops, Hamas will not, its already said it will carry on and on again with attacks like Oct 7th. The only way for this to end is with Hamas totally dismantled as much as can be and a new Palestinian gov in Gaza if that is possible.

This is how it usually goes in a debate: Hamas apologist: "Not all Palestinians are Hamas" Israeli: "We're going to eradicate Hamas" Hamas apologist: "OMG YOU WANT TO KILL ALL PALASTINIANS"

When you have nothing else, go to your fall back, its up to the judges, yes we know. Expect a full decision in a few years, the most that will happen now is a provisional decision in a few weeks.

Yes I called it a farce before, I've elaborated a little it is also a sham. However according to those with more knowledge than me, its also fact less and meritless

do you think the judges will be ignoring the evidence of Hamas deliberately using civilians as human shields

Read the topic @ozimoron ^^^^^

Read it and find out

No you said it has nothing to do with Hamas, you are very wrong, its everything to do with Hamas. That's why there is this sham case

I've read what they have said So what are the lawyers acting on behalf of Israel going to be concentrating on? You say you've read what they have to say? If you think providing credible links is nothing more than being a parrot, then I suggest you are now starting the usual trolling responses

So you missed the 55 references to Hamas in the report? I've not read it in full but its a pdf, its fully searchable without having to read it in its entirety. You claimed its nothing to do with Hamas, try again.

Again you are just not reading this topic and miss the professionals including lawyers that I have referenced that have read it. Including: John Kirby dismisses South Africa’s accusation against Israel: “We find this submission meritless, counterproductive, completely without any basis in fact whatsoever.”

From me? I've not read it, I've already told Jeff that so yet again proof you've not read this topic,

I'll wait for Jeff's response

Well have you read it, you asked me but have you?

Oh. So confirmation of Cherry picking from the article quotes and confirmation of ignoring reality. The 84 page report also contains Hamas Oct 7th info. Have you read it?

Unbelievable testimony by Nili Margalit, an Israeli nurse who was abducted from her house in Nir Oz. She was taken by Gazan civilians who took her to a Hamas tunnel in Gaza and sold her to Hamas. She took on the unofficial role of medically treating dozens of Israeli hostages, all injured, some elderly. She made detailed lists and demanded that medication be brought even at the cost of arguing with her captors. When she kept insisting on medication the captors sometimes denied the hostages fans. Staying 40 meters underground without ventilation caused them breathing difficulties. She had to improvise treatments, she treated infected wounds with honey as there were no antibiotics. It's a story of (another) amazingly brave and resourceful woman. https://twitter.com/Elad_Si/status/1743011904430227873 More disturbing revelations from her interview here Freed hostage recalls watching as Hamas captors informed Yarden Bibas about ‘fate’ of his family while filming Nili Margalit, who spent nearly 50 days in Hamas captivity, reveals that she was with Yarden Bibas when Hamas terrorists told him his wife and two young children had been killed and ordered him to film a video in which he blamed Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for refusing to return their bodies to Israel. The IDF says that the claims made by Hamas regarding the Bibas family have not been verified, and terror groups in Gaza previously announced that an Israeli hostage had been killed in IDF strikes only to release her alive several weeks later. But Margalit tells Channel 12’s Uvda investigative program that Yarden Bibas was already in a poor psychological state due to worry over his family’s wellbeing https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/freed-hostage-recalls-watching-as-hamas-captors-informed-yarden-bibas-about-fate-of-his-family-while-filming/

Great that you now acknowledge this is also about Hamas

Some further clarification for you Jeff on why it is all about Hamas not just Israel. Not matter how you feel about it, that's the reality Chef How Israel will fight Gaza genocide accusations in The Hague As part of the defense, Israel’s advocates will almost certainly detail the atrocities committed by Hamas on October 7 — the rapes and beheadings, the abductions, the cold-blooded murder of unarmed civilians regardless of age and gender. They will argue Israel has the right to defend itself, and that to do so without causing civilian casualties is impossible because of how Hamas chooses to fight — hiding behind Gazans, embedded among civilians. “On the merits, the [South African] brief is absurd and is a textbook example of atrocity inversion,” said Anne Herzberg, legal adviser at NGO Monitor — a conservative Jerusalem-based NGO reporting on international NGO activity from a pro-Israel perspective. “The 7 October Hamas massacre is reduced to two sanitized paragraphs in the 84-page brief. It completely ignores Hamas’ tactics of embedding within civilian infrastructure and diversion of humanitarian aid intended for the people of Gaza,” she added. https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-gaza-genocide-accusations-war-crimes-the-hague/

Just to be clear, same #SouthAfrica that is serving as pawn of the Palestinians in accusing Israel of genocide at ICJ, has been for long time now embracing war criminals and actual perpetrators of genocide, like Iran, Omar al-Bashir and Hamas leaders! https://twitter.com/Ostrov_A/status/1743273187847094289

Yet some would have preferred it that way, some would have preferred Hamas had never carried out Oct 7th and started this whole war and destruction. Not all of them would like to be martyrs despite Hamas insistence that the Gaza Population deaths is a sacrifice worth taking and actively promote it. Hamas’s Strategy of Human Sacrifice Never before has a party adopted a war strategy to maximize civilian deaths on its own side. https://www.hudson.org/terrorism/hamas-strategy-human-sacrifice-douglas-feith What some Gazans say though not the majority Gazans Are Starting to Blame Hamas for Wartime Suffering criticism has begun spreading against the militant group, with Gazans blaming the militants for having provoked Israel’s wrath and for their inability to shield the population from a devastating war and a humanitarian crisis that deepens by the day. https://archive.ph/AuDjR https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/gazans-are-starting-to-blame-hamas-for-wartime-suffering-066256b0 https://twitter.com/ofirgendelman/status/1743213149245866144

I got the yes, that all I needed in reply, thanks for the confirmation

No just a claim that it was the highest court in the land and you are wrong, for genocide the ICC is. Read my post again

Well, what do you think?

You're mistaken yet again, the ICC has specific jurisdiction over four core crimes - genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, crime of aggression, pursuant to Article 5 of the Rome Statute. The case coming up is in the ICJ a UN court