Bkk Brian

Issued by South Africa, no surprise there, any country can refer a case to ICJ. The ICJ is not the ICC, its another UN branch with no teeth and countries tend to abide by its rulings on a case by case basis, there are no penalties that can be issued by the court if they fail to do so. That is how the US interprets each case ruling from the ICJ. A good example being the ICJ ruled that Russia should immediately end its hostilities in Ukraine; that war is getting ready to enter its second year. The UN security council could in theory enforce consequences but we've seen how that performs in this war and all others with the vetos allowed. Besides which the bar is high for a ruling of Genocide, intent needs to be found. This from over a month ago: South Africa's Government Is an Unapologetic, Shameless Proxy for Hamas and Iran A pornographic, sycophantic romance between government ministers and Hamas leaders, a warm embrace for Iran, explicit calls to attack Jews, our homes, our workplaces, our schools. We South African Jews wonder if our own government is inciting pogroms against us. Following the slaughter of more than 1,200 Israelis, most of them civilians, by Hamas terrorists, the kidnapping of 239 hostages into Gaza, and the onset of the latest Israel-Hamas war, there has been a sharp and frightening increase in antisemitic rhetoric and threatened violence around the world. But South African Jews are confronting a far more sinister and almost unique challenge: Our government has emerged as an unapologetic, shameless proxy for Hamas and Iran. https://archive.ph/QreGb https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2023-11-16/ty-article-opinion/.premium/south-africas-government-is-an-unapologetic-shameless-proxy-for-hamas-and-iran/0000018b-d7d9-dffa-adef-f7d979970000

So the crystal ball comes out now, this has not even been referred to the ICC

plus the government seems to have given up on any hope of getting its hostages back What makes you think that?

No its the law: Same quote used in legal article taken direct from source icrc below, that and all the other information that is contained in the link.: The principle of proportionality prohibits attacks against military objectives which are “expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated”. https://casebook.icrc.org/a_to_z/glossary/proportionality The proportionality rule requires those who plan a military operation to undertake in good faith a pre-attack analysis to determine the effects of the attack on civilians and civilian objects. Such a determination requires a balancing of probabilities that take in foreseeable collateral civilian casualties and the relative importance of a particular military target. This is a relational concept – in other words, it can’t be quantified by stating any fixed number of civilians dead or injured for any one attack. Is the rule of proportionality being observed in Gaza? In concrete terms, the rule of proportionality – and its associated precautionary measures – require that the Israeli military undertake, in good faith, a pre-attack analysis of likely civilian casualties ensuing from each and every aerial attack in Gaza. That analysis should be based on timely, reliable and constantly updated target intelligence. Israeli military spokesmen have stated repeatedly that they are taking all feasible measures to avoid excessive collateral damage in their bombing campaign. https://theconversation.com/what-is-the-rule-of-proportionality-and-is-it-being-observed-in-the-israeli-siege-of-gaza-217321

Yea saw a video of one of them. A black Labrador shot dead by a terrorist before he then entered the house to murder Israelis or take them hostage.

Just one of the hostages that Hamas murdered while in captivity in Gaza, there are others: https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1741400394612236413 Guy Iluz, 26, hid from terrorists in a tree; death announced Dec. 1 On the 11th day, a worker sent Michel a video showing a Hamas gunman announcing Guy’s death. https://www.timesofisrael.com/taken-captive-guy-iluz-hid-from-terrorists-in-a-tree/amp/

https://aseannow.com/topic/1315885-netanyahu-rejects-claims-accusing-israel-of-genocide-in-gaza/

Not sure what that's got to do with your knobs and menu selections on air defense systems

Wrong topic fella, take your Qatar funded rag to: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday pushed back against claims that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, calling such accusations “false” after South Africa filed a case against Israel at the U.N.’s top court. https://aseannow.com/topic/1315885-netanyahu-rejects-claims-accusing-israel-of-genocide-in-gaza/

I can assure you that you were certainly not speaking for educated Brits.....lol

"And understand that an air defense system probably has 10x as many knobs and menu selections." Comedy gold You do know NATO has been training Ukraine soldiers in warfare and military defense equipment for many years right? You also must know the UK has trained well over 50,000 Ukraine troops in Salisbury UK in the same skills. Let's not forget all the other countries who have helped train including the US training in Patriot air defense systems. How about the first batch of Ukraine pilots who have just finished their training in F16 fighter jets. I do believe that has more knobs and menu selections to.

Oh so it's the instructions on the systems...... Your not getting rid of me that easy, no I will not be putting you on ignore.....lol

You and your RT. The following day Ukraine launched a missile attack on Belgorod. Russia says 20 dead after Ukrainian strikes on Belgorod Did RT do an article saying it was Russia's air defense systems and had it not been for them there would have been no civilian deaths? Thought not, I wonder why?

Concessions to terrorists? They have already stated they will repeat Oct 7th. Why are they still holding hostages?

I reckon some BDSers are River to the Sea-ers or one states and some are more reasonable. I'm sure of it after ready through their wiki page

Yes and it also has goals, including that which I quoted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions

BDS wants to end Israel through demography. Hamas wants to kill every last Jew

Thought so, you have no idea and obviously know knowledge of International Humanitarian Law IHL allows for the killing of civilians when militarily necessary, subject to the principles of distinction and proportionality. This stems from a recognition that killing is a given in wars, and it is simply unfeasible to criminalise all kinds of civilian deaths. IHL can be understood as accepting the realities of violence in war while restraining its effects. Fundamentally, as long as an attack is proportionate to the concrete and direct anticipated military gains, any incidental wounding or killing of civilians may not automatically be deemed an unlawful act, subject to individual assessment. Just for some further clarification for you. Mistakes are indeed made and Israel have owned up to these, however everything is done to avoid civilian casualties and your comparison to the Holocaust remains pathetically wrong as does your claim that Israel is deliberately killing thousands of women, children and men. How is the IDF Minimizing Harm to Civilians in Gaza? https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/the-hamas-terrorist-organization/how-is-the-idf-minimizing-harm-to-civilians-in-gaza/

No. You seriously don't get it at all. The facts have been posted numerous times and you're doing your usual ignore

Another one still waiting to return from the clutches of the terrorists: Noa Argamani was supposed to go back to school today. But she can’t. Instead, she will spend this day in unimaginable conditions as a hostage in Gaza, Bring Noa home now. https://twitter.com/HenMazzig/status/1741469067112825310

Can you cite the claim that it "did not violate their rules of engagement" In publishing the results of its final probe into the issue, the IDF said that despite the soldiers clearly violating the rules of engagement – by firing on persons who presented no immediate danger and were waving a white flag – the enormous complexity of the circumstances led to no immediate punishment. IDF sources suggested that once the war was over it was possible that disciplinary or other action might theoretically be taken against some of the soldiers involved, but in the meantime the soldiers are being left to continue to fight in the field. https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-779923

The Israeli Opera has released a version of the Leonard Bernstein and Stephen Sondheim classic "Somewhere" from West Side Story on behalf of the hostages held in Gaza. https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1741451903513362554

Yes its been bombing, a fact no one can dispute, where did I dispute that? Knowingly killing thousands of children women and men is not a fact, you've just made that up. You also missed the thousands of Hamas terrorists killed that are not separated out in those death figures that are issued by Hamas, another fact. One more fact, it can all end tomorrow if Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages. It prefers to let the deaths continue.

Oh it tries daily with its rockets into Israel.

Rubbish. If you get to the desperate attempt to try the moral high ground on this then you've already lost. Your are making vile unsubstantiated claims of this being acts of murder by Israel. I deal with facts. The facts are in my previous posts which you have ignored.