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Unfortunately, there have been famous cases in 2017, 2019 and 2023 of tourists being fined, jailed and even deported for vaping. In fact, the laws allow for a fine of up to 30,000 THB and a jail sentence of up to 10 years. https://asiaharmreductionalliance.net/thailands-strict-vaping-ban/#:~:text=The Kingdom of Thailand is,and a booming black market.

Excellent article except a bit out of date. The "booming black market", for now, has been shut down.

Obviously this is double speak because you can't vape unless you're in possession of a vape.

Have you not read what I have been posting? Maybe you should. Less harmful is the overwhelming view. Not not harmful just less harmful. As for some organisations I think NHS UK is a reasonable source as is cancerreseachuk.com

Any chance you can show the actual law because if people all over Thailand have been fined or jailed for vaping or selling vapes it's obviously unlawful. Also how do you account for the complete shutdown of the vaping sector?

Yes I have read that piece. It's the only thing I have seen that said vaping isn't illegal. Everything else says it is.

Last week was early on in the ":crackdown/shutdown" and the fine for the Taiwanese actress was shown to be extortion if I remember correctly.

Let's address some of the points in no particular order. Formaldehyde: "Back in 2014 and 2015, a couple of studies came out claiming that e-cigarettes produce not one, not two, not three, but fifteen (15!) times the amount of formaldehyde that cigarettes do. Well, not quite. The truth is that a researcher at a press conference about a Japanese study (which found that e-cigarettes product between 13 and 807 times less formaldehyde than cigarettes) reported that one brand of e-cigarette they tested released 10 times as much formaldehyde as cigarettes when overheated. The second study, in the New England Journal of Medicine, reported again that when e-cigarettes are overheated, they can produce higher formaldehyde levels than traditional tobacco." "The levels of formaldehyde weren’t measured by people actually vaping—this would contaminate their vapour sample with whatever’s in the vape user’s mouth, and the whole study would be done with. Instead, the test was undertaken with a vaping machine. And the machine wasn’t set to ‘recreational’ or ‘social’ vaping; it was set to ‘chain vape the living daylights out of this e-liquid’. Which is how they got it to overheat, and how they got it to produce any formaldehyde at all. Of course, if they had used a human, they probably would never have reached that point, because of the dreaded dry hit. Before they got anywhere close to formaldehyde, the vape user would have started choking on their own lungs." https://www.vapour.com/latest/vape-isnt-producing-formaldehyde/ Cancer: "Smoking causes at least 16 different types of cancer so stopping smoking completely is the best thing you can do for your health. E-cigarettes can help people stop smoking and are an effective stop smoking tool. There’s no safe level of smoking, so it is important to stop tobacco-use completely. Because vaping is far less harmful than smoking, your health could benefit from switching from smoking to vaping. And you will reduce your risk of getting cancer." https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/smoking-and-cancer/is-vaping-harmful Lung Damage: Research generally accepts that while vaping can harm the lungs and other bodily systems, its impact is much less than tobacco smoking. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/vaping-vs-smoking#effects-of-vaping Heavy Metals: Dry hits in vaping, where the coil heats without enough e-liquid, can lead to the release of harmful toxins, including heavy metals like chromium, nickel, and copper, which are inhaled into the lungs. What is a dry hit? A dry hit occurs when a vaping device is used without enough e-liquid to properly wick the coil, causing the coil to burn dry. Why are dry hits dangerous? When a coil burns dry, it can release harmful toxins, including heavy metals like chromium, nickel, and copper, which are present in the heating elements and coils of vaporizer pens. AI Overview Oral Health: While both smoking and vaping negatively impact oral health, smoking is generally considered worse for your teeth and gums due to the presence of tar and other harmful chemicals directly impacting the tissues in the mouth. AI Overview Nervous System: While both smoking and vaping can negatively impact your nervous system, smoking is generally considered more harmful due to the presence of numerous toxic and carcinogenic substances in tobacco smoke, while vaping, though not risk-free, exposes users to fewer and different chemicals. AI Overview Cardiovascular System. While both smoking and vaping pose risks to cardiovascular health, studies suggest that vaping may be more harmful to the heart than tobacco cigarettes. AI Overview Inflammation. Both cigs and vapes contain nicotine which has inflammatory properties. How much harm this will do depends on how much is consumed. A few cigs a day will be better than heavy vape use and visa versa. Again I have never said that vaping does not pose health risks. I'm simply stating that overall the health risks associated with vaping are less than those associated with tobacco smoking. If vapes are banned with health being the stated reason then cigarettes should also be banned for the same reason as overall cigarette smoking/tobacco is worse.

I have previously said and will say again that no smoking is of course ideal but vaping is less harmful than cigs. As for dry herb vapes this isn't a practical alternative as it's not something I could have smoke at work or indeed anywhere in public where I am.

As I said in the OP it was a Thai person that got done for vaping and not in any tourist area. Far from it in fact. I would like to know where you have gotten your information from that vaping isn't illegal.

I was a smoker for decades. Vaping got me off the cigs. My health improved a lot. Your claim was vaping is worse than cigarette smoking. Do you still stand by this? As for the juice there's no evidence to suggest that vape juice is more toxic than cigarette smoke. The fact of the matter it's less toxic as pointed out in my previous post. As for the 14 year old girl that died which was the trigger for this "shutdown" (smokescreen for true reason IMHO) I have my theory on this. She died of a cardiac arrest which was the cause given. Possible cause of this a massive nicotine overdose. Smoking 10 packets cigs in a day would probably be enough to kill an adult male. Children should not be vaping but adults should be free to as is the case with cigarettes. There is no hard evidence to say vapes are more deleterious to health than cigarettes indeed it's the opposite so health cannot be a legitimate basis for this "shutdown".

Show me that evidence please. NHS UK is one of many organisations that have a different view to yours. Is vaping harmful? Evidence shows that vaping is less harmful than smoking. Vaping exposes users to fewer toxins and at lower levels than smoking cigarettes. Switching to vaping reduces your exposure to toxins that can cause cancer, lung disease, and diseases of the heart and circulation like heart attack and stroke. However, vaping is not risk-free. Non-smokers and young people under 18 should not take up vaping. https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/quit-smoking/ready-to-quit-smoking/vaping-to-quit-smoking/#:~:text=Evidence shows that vaping is,like heart attack and stroke. And then there's this: The most relevant question for smokers is whether vaping nicotine is less harmful than smoking the cigarettes it is designed to replace. The evidence suggests it is far less harmful. The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine report2 found substantial evidence that “exposure to potentially toxic substances from e-cigarettes is significantly lower compared with combustible tobacco cigarettes” and “reduced short-term adverse health outcomes in several organ systems.”2 Most of the research on the harms of e-cigarettes is from in vitro and animal studies. How these findings translate to health effects in humans is uncertain, when many human studies show substantial health improvements in smokers who switch to vaping. https://journal.chestnet.org/article/S0012-3692(20)30754-6/fulltext

or one year in jail. One year in jail for vaping. Insane. As for 12-14k my thought on this is that 10k is the official fine an the extra 2-4k being extorted in Phuket is going into pockets. Having said this this particular income stream must be running out as vapes are now impossible to get.

Please post any one of my "pedantic" posts. You obviously know what pedantic means so go right ahead. BTW this isn't a pedantic post.

Beat me to it. Just propaganda meant for those with no brains. MNM is also very adept at this.

Fairly sure they did a couple of days ago.

@Robert_Smith One thing I don't consider myself as is a narcissist.

A friend of a friend (Thai) got busted at 4:00 am outside of where he works having a puff. Fine Bt10,000 or one year in jail. This is insanity on steroids. The entire vape scene has been shut down. Lots of very unhappy people. Is this shutdown, no longer a crackdown, about protecting the tobacco monopoly and not about health?

The use AI should be declared on all digital platforms including media.

Ridiculous. He died because of complications due to morbid obesity. This could have been avoided but instead he decided to go down the insane body positivity road for clicks on TikTok encouraged by an equally insane woke agenda. Morbid obesity is a treatable condition.

Weights and walking. Weights: Carrying a carton of beer. Walking: Walking to the fridge to get aforementioned beer.

Two points. One: Imported wine thanks to outrageous taxes which were meant to be removed is way too expensive. Two: Thai wine is sh!t.

A victim of wokeness in this case body positivity.

A stalling tactic. Let's see what happens after the Kursk salient has completely collapsed.

One is Champaign the other isn't. Which is which? The fact of the matter is Champagne is a region and the French don't won't anyone who isn't French and from that region using the word champagne on their sparkling wines. Champagne of course is a sparkling wine and sparkling wine is of course what everyone calls champagne regardless of what's on the label. It's quite mad. I had some very nice Australian champagnes back in the day. Still called champagne back then. Loved the stuff. Great with a snort of coke.