Elkski

2 hours ago, Mak25 said:

I understand, if 1 person is found positive, the whole group will need to remain in ASQ for the rest of their stay in Thailand.

This is how I read it.  So after 7 days they can roam in some areas of the hotel.  So on day 12 someone tests positive then what?  They all redo 14 day in room quarantine?   How often are these hotel staff tested,  food service, cleaning service. Read a report virus can stay on a person's skin6 days.  These hotel workers as well as all health care workers need hazard pay

2 hours ago, realfunster said:

It does help to read the article, although you are not the only one jumping on the confirmation bias bandwagon.

 

For those with a low attention span :

- 15 people tested positive with a new test, not recommended by WHO.

Everyone was retested using the RT-PCR method:

- 10 negative (plus nothing detected in 49 close contacts)

- 5 awaiting results.

 

I’m afraid there is no Thai CoVID smoking gun, as yet,  based on this report. 

This is how I read the article.. some people don't bother to read articles. Or their comprehension is  really really poor.  

I've told you i have backed off this.   I am thinking in a few weeks she will realize this isn't so fun.  If not then she is more amazing than I thought.   If she lost job I can easily support her and me for the rest of our lives.  Sorry some of you are so short on funds.   Her getting fired doesn't cause any fear or worry for me. 

How would you feel if your fiance works close to 60 hours a week and all of a sudden for 500 baht more needs to work closer to 70?    Maybe this is a control issue.   You people  are all so wrong.    A man  does not say nothing when his SO is being overworked.   Yes she is willing.  I learned early on in career to think of myself first at the job.  To a boss you are just another tool to make the company money. 

I live in a safe area.  I'm more of a one shot one kill type of hunter but an arrow is all I need. 

High  risk zone?   

Yes i see the brainwashing in Thailand is very good.   If a worker can not even talk to the manager of a company about issues and you dont see this as bad?  Obviously you are to old and forgot how to think for yourself.  

I have told you  i have stopped trying to influence my fiance  on this.   I still vehemently disagree on this.   I actually even think my email  ti this US educated rich business owner would have been beneficial.   I think he cares about this long term employee and all of them.  I think he would be happy to know she has found a real man who would step in to defend her honor.   

Can i inquire as to what % of you guys are looking at jumping through this hassle because of a special woman?  

That would be me.  9 months apart  and no end in site.  Did Romeo have it this hard?

A little off topic but as an American  what type of account does the 500 k need to reside in.  Is in a 401 k account ok?  How long is it taking to get a OA visa?  And of course then how long is the COS list to  use it?   Just looking at ways to visit my woman  in case our K1 visa takes to long. 

By the way would a k1 application in process preclude getting a OA visa?  I don't see how thai embassy would even know about this. 

Is it the 500,000 or 2 installments booked at condo? Is that a rental  installment or a buy installment?   Is the 500k need to be in a bank account or in 401 k account  ok?  I think the first 150 person flight was delayed because of lack of interest or the paperwork processing overwhelmed the applicants or processing staff. 

Send her 10 million.   Maybe you are man like this.  I won't pay for love.   It was long time ago I considered  her working less.  This was when old visa time-line said she could get visa about now and come before 2021.  I realize it is big risk for a woman to quit a job.  This is planned to be addressed in the prenuptial.   Yes i am being cautious but I realize she will be taking a risk.   I once talked to a thai woman who quit a government job a few years before qualifying for pension to marry a guy in NY.  Then he broke up.   She was back in Thailand and did get another government job but I think her future pension may have been  scrapped.   I admit to still learning thai culture.   I admit this issue really surprises me.  And I think most western people reading this would be appalled that this is the mindset of what  is the working class to company relationships.   The fact that it would be terrible for her to even ask to msybe click in for that extra hour or so. Or ask for more than the 17 baht for this extra large  disruption in her life.   The fact most if not all of you think it improper she should  even bring this up with her boss  shocks me and leaves a large blackeye on Thailand.   No wonder the well to do want too quash down these young people  who protest for change. 

57 minutes ago, sead said:

Well I have never heard of a Thai wanting to work so much. And when I asked my gf she said that perhaps  she is a his Mia noi... And that was my first thought to. All Thai want to go back home ASAP. So try to check this more deeply. Gf laughs when I asked her about the culture to stay after work without payment and that thais are shy to ask more. No Thai works for free. Are your wife beautiful, slim, young? 

Yes she is slim and attractive .  She can't really tell her boss she wants to work less.  They work until things are done each day.  Its one big team at her work.  I think it is a good place.   I did  consider suggesting she ask boss to hire another person to work half her days. Or tell her to home to isaan.   But what could go wrong with that?  I've considered having her quit and taking  more classroom English  classes and even looked into workout  classes and or yoga.  Im actually surprised  yoga classes cost so much in bkk.  Same price as here or more 350 baht a class.  I do think her busy life has kept her nose clean and why I picked her..  i hate to say it like i picked her.. But you know Thailand has many choices for most men.  She has never been on a dating site, doesn't drink doesnt like bars.   I actually saw her with friends taking Xmas display pictures after work at Emquartier.   I say it was destiny.  I saw her  40-50 meters away and didnt even stop but turned  a 90 and went right up to her.   I didn't let the initial rejection damper my cause and somehow the magic just happened.  That 1 look changed my life..  of course I didn't know I was swallowing the hook and then after I was hooked I tried to throw the hook like an 80 # bluefin.  But eventually I closed my butterfly ????  wings.  

Unfortunately I over analyze everything.  I don't think she sleeps with this boss as several of you suggest. Haha.    I think he is happily married  and if he has a mia noi which  a man of his means  in Thailand would be expected to have 3 or more he would surely not have an employee.  

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

A sample size of 1318 in a population of 65 million gives you 95% confidence that your answers are within 3% of the correct number. 

 

https://www.surveymonkey.com/mp/sample-size-calculator/

 

I question who they asked, how they chose the participants, and how they asked the questions.  It's not the sample size in question.  It's very adequate.  That's how statistics and sampling work.

 

so  go do your own poll.  See how much effort it is to get 100 people to take  a poll.  Also why your at it learn some statistics.  

Why do so many of you want to just let the borders open and surely the virus loose?  What is yiur motivation?  No one has more motivation than me. 9 months apart from fiance but I dont want the largest part of the thai economy to be slowed down be another wave of covid.  And its not harmless even if you recover many patients have lasting damage.   You guys seem brainless  but I don't understand your motivation.   Why you so worried about businesses in tourism sector unless your in this business...all you  covid naysayers  need to reveal your  conflicts of interest.  

Most thai's are worried tourism will being back covid and im sure it will.  Just one case can cause another shutdown.   Its time for TAT to just say sorry.  We are not letting  tourists  back until the World gets a grip on covid.  Maybe a year.   Sorry,to all those on the ripoff industry. 7 day, 5 day just no way people want to risk  getting covid to travel to trash hewn Thailand.  Your days over.   I predict it maybe 4 years to hit 4 million tourists a year. Start furlough for all the IO that worked the lines at swampy.    

Ok,  it appears there are no labor laws to prevent a boss from firing a worker for asking for more compensation.   I have told her leew tae khuṇ.    I will let her do as she wishes  for a few weeks and see how it effects our long distance Connection.   I need to chill  i guess.  Sometimes a few obstacles and the current politics effects your calmness.  

Yes a k1 marriage visa is a big step in life.  Marriage and Bringing an Asian gal to USA?  I read all the risks.    I just I will tell her to do what she wants and see how it goes for a couple weeks and if I don't like things I will tell her to stop unlocking and I will send her 3000 baht. 

49 minutes ago, farang51 said:

 

Can't delete the quote.  

I would figure she was making 500 baht an hour  at 10 mins 30 days for 2500 baht.  But working im 10 min increments can't be compared to hourly but if we continue along this line of reasoning  she now gets 3000 for 25 min time x 30 days or 240 baht per hour.  

Both offices  were very nice.  Yes one is new but some disadvantages for the staff and customers.  

I'm glad I asked because I evidently was way out of line thinking about this.   

I do think both boss and employee are grateful for each other in this case.  I dont think she has risk of losing her job over some bargaining  or  stopping this special task that she has done for many years for the company.    

Yes it is hard being apart  so long due to travel restrictions.  In our case the typical K1 visa timeliness of 280 days is now looking like 600 days.   And not all the delay  is covid related if you are uo on the currect administrations feelings on immigrants? Our longest time apart in 3 years.  No kids or married so a bit different situation.    I didnt need to send money  so she would quit working in the bar.  Of course I give her gifts or send some money sometimes.   I just read so much advice not to  send a monthly amount.  I'm glad I have never started  that.  I work hard preparing for our  future together.     I'm not thinking she will become  a business suit woman.  I just didn't know it would be so unpopular to meet with her boss to discuss how 500 baht  doesn't equal the new demands.  I rather start sending her a steady  3000 on top of what I do and have her tell her  boss to  find someone else. I'm hoping in the morning  I will get some replies  of support.   

I know this increase in work hours will negatively impact our relationship and future because sometimes a co worker is absent for a funeral and the extra hours she works then ceases English  learning, and exercise,  and healthy eating.  I am worried about her cholesterol level just like a thai womsn is worried if i was to drink to much or gamble. When she works extra hours for a coworker she is to tired  to  do the minimum required to keep a long distance relationship healthy.   Im quite proud  we have survived 33 months but it is not without massive effort on both partners parts.  Many of you have no idea about western life or long distance relationships.    In the West we question our elders and bosses and those in power.  Luckily the youth of Thailand are starting to do this. 

I should  add that I doubt she would lose her job over asking for more or deciding to end this morning door unlocking.  But if she did I could fully support her.  I feel her hand of cards in this deal is strong.  No one else so stupid or lives close enough to do this job every day except on official vacation  days plus stay until the last person leaves to cover for the man  if he is out..  in fact I will remind her that the man probably is on the clock  until he leaves at night. 

I'm clueless for suggesting she ask for some increase in payment more in line with the additional sacrifice?  If she worked 40-45 hour weeks is one thing but I think its closer to 60+ now.  

So its totally against Thai culture to ask a boss for more money?   

34 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Maybe your fiancé doesn't want to be a business woman. Maybe she just wants to be an employee, and to keep her job when millions around the globe are losing theirs. 

And from your last sentence here it sounds like you're more p'd off because she won't be contributing enough to your retirement pot?  

By being business woman I mean to be bold enough to ask for fair pay.  She is like most Thai workers it appears.  Hard working and enjoys a good days work.   Her having a job  and good  hard, dependable work ethic is one reason of many I chose her..  when  I say she could use this time in a better way i don't mean doing some other job.   If This extra  time will only generate 17 baht and knowing how tired she gets during long  sometimes lunch less days and 6 days in a row I dont want her to add any more time to her work day unless it pays very well.  Otherwise  she can  use this time  to keep improving her English, or eating  healthier   or exercising all which will provide much more future benefit than 17 baht.   I think it is hard to eat healthy if you dont have time.  And she already  works to many hours.  

I admit I always think about financial things.   My mind always considers the cost benefit on every decision  I make.. 

I just believe she is more valuable than she thinks and can  ask for more.   Taking a 6:55 am 10 min early morning walk  round trip  to unlock the old building and sometimes  going back to bed and then leaving for  work at 8:15 and sometimes working  until 8:30pm is  one thing.  But leaving at 6:45am and then being at work for 90 min before punching  in for 17 baht extra and then not getting home until 8:45pm  is crazy.  Yes I will ask her to stop this extra job if she won't ask for more.  I dont see this as controlling.  I see this as caring ❤.  You guys are trying to  put blame on me for looking at the facts.  I say its types like  her boss that are  what's wrong  with this situation and Thailand.  

So tell her to quit and I send support?  What she do? go live at home?  Just loaf around?  What could go wrong.   I have listened to advice and felt it very important to not send her support every month like many farang do.  She even gets asked often how much bf send?  I think it is mostly the bargirl type customers who ask  this.  It seems many guys send 30k/mo or more.   Ots almost a bragging thing it seems.  She even told one i send 20,000 baht.  Which is so not true.  She is proud to "stand her own 2feet". 

I cant believe I am so wrong in my thinking on this.  Maybe all the sane people are asleep You? You all have me feeling sick.  100% in support of her  doing all this extra each day for 17 Baht.   How many of you  would give up 20% of your free non working or sleeping time for 17 baht?

2 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

Is'nt that exactly what the boss is doing?

Yes he is being businessman.   I tell my fiance  to be businesswoman.   I just feel my fiance can be doing something else more valuable to our future rather than making extra 17 baht a day.  Even if asking for the moon results in the boss finding another person to do this 3000 baht job.  I told her if he does this I will send her this much.  She is very frugal and says we need to save money for our future.  Im just perplexed by her reluctance to even ask for  more.  Her old wslk was so close and half covered by awnings in case of rain.   New walk is a flooding nightmare in rain like last week.