JamJar

28 minutes ago, thecyclist said:

With second hand devices you are never sure what you are getting. A second hand bicycle I would know what to stress-test and able to make a fair estimate of its value. With a computer I wouldn't know where to start :You might be getting something that is as good as new or something that's in end stages of its durability. Even worse with something bought on the web :You can't do any tests before purchase. 

When you buy from a reputable seller, they stand by their product. 

When you buy a high standard business device, you can expect it to be solidly built. You get a lot of device for a fraction of it's original price.

You can read some reviews on the processor; https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/Intel-Core-2-Duo-E6850-3GHz-Dual-Core-HH80557PJ0804MG-Processor/74104260

1 hour ago, wayned said:

Will a card with a

PCI Express 3.0 x16 (uses x4) work?    The specs on the cheapd ones from china are impossible to find.  I,m looking at this one from Lazada:  https://www.lazada.co.th/products/msi-geforce-gt-1030-aero-itx-2g-oc-advice-exp-31-05-2563-i386648458-s751338818.html?spm=a2o4m.cart.0.0.1b676108flztEH

No, I would not choose that one. It's a double height card and we don't know anything about the power supply fitted.

This is the slot you have for Graphics: 1 x PCI Express 2.0 x16

The first thing that you should do is to change the CPU. It is dire. That is what is holding your system back.

They are cheap enough.

Example: https://www.lazada.co.th/catalog/?q=Intel+Core+2+Duo+E6850+&_keyori=ss&from=input&spm=a2o4m.pdp.search.go.4502748elpKtqP

You'll see a significant difference in performance once you've changed the CPU. Especially now you have fitted an SSD. But your processor is really holding it back.

Once you upgrade the CPU, something as simple as this; https://www.lazada.co.th/products/ati-radeontmhd-5450-1gb-i401586055-s780334887.html will do for Full HD on your TV. Though it's overpriced for what it is.

https://www.deskdecode.com/difference-between-pci-express-gen-1-gen-2-gen-3/

By the looks of it, you may have a PCIe x8 slot (PCIe 1.0)

So you should look for a cheap low profile PCIe graphics card.

Is this some kind of ex Server system? Looks an odd Chipset.

40 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

15k is hardly a war chest for the latest spec laptop. Or even current spec. However, if what I had was ready for the bin, what would I do assuming I am in Thailand and want something portable with 15k burning a hole in my pocket. Well Ok I could buy some old model Lenovo sitting on the shelf at Power Buy. I would seriously consider getting a Samsung Tab A and a bluetooth keyboard to go with it.

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I wouldn't. I would buy a solid second user business device, as opposed to some toy that can break if you look at it too hard.

Try servicing it yourself to see how far you get.

Too many people rushing at the latest technology, are simply wasting their money.

Solidly made business device will likely last for years to come and will be easily configurable. Increasing RAM and/or SSD.

I'd put my money on something like this any day of the week; https://www.blackmoreit.com/laptop-laptops/beis7250-dell-latitude-7250-laptop-core-i5-5300u-16gb-ram-256gb-ssd-12.5-windows-10-.html  over a Tablet and a Bluetooth keyboard.

It's just not a serious suggestion.

For 15k you can buy a serious business quality device; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-Latitude-7280-Laptop-Core-i5-6300U-16GB-RAM-256GB-SSD-12-5-Win-10-Pro/233290488340 with many other options, including Lenovo Business, not consumer devices.

https://www.blackmoreit.com/e7450256gb-ssd-dell-latitude-e7450-core-i5-5300u-8gb-ram-256gb-ssd-14-display-windows-10.html

If it turns out that your PC doesn't even have a PCIe x16 port, I would not bother to go further with it.

Better to spend the money on another PC, as AGP x8 Graphics cards aren't great and can be relatively expensive.

Here's an example of what you could get in Thailand; https://www.thailandallit.com/product/8/dell-optiplex-7010-รุ่น-top-pc-dell-มือสอง-pc-dell-ราคาถูก

The CPU is more than ten times as power as your current Processor. You could pop your new SSD in as the Boot drive.

You'll be amazed at the difference between your PC and the Optiplex 7010 with it's Intel® Core™ i3-3210 processor.

For a start the PC will be able to play and output Full HD 1080 H.264 video without the need for any graphics card. So probably any video that you will download and play.

Your up to fifteen year old PC might not be able to do that, even with a graphics card. 

You might find it cheaper elsewhere or something else entirely. I just ran a cursory search.

Let's see what Motherboard you have currently, before proceeding.

3 hours ago, wayned said:

My system is a very old 32 vbit system, Intel pentium 4 3.00GHZ, 200GB RAM, Windows 7, 500GB Kingston  HDD and 240GB Toshiba flash drive (just installed and really speeds up the system).  As JamJar said the 69 baht units are HDMI to VGA.  I found a VGA to HDMI unit on Lazada for about 300 baht, they need to be connected not only to the VGA oitput plug but also to the audio output plug and a USB port for power.  If I use the converter route I would not be able to connect my normal monitor to the VGA output which I want to do.  The PCI HDMI cards have both VGA and HDMI plugs so I can use both.  Laxada has cards for around 800 baht from China.  The thing that I am worried about i s whether they will work with a 32 bit system and there is very little technical information provided on the Lazada site.

Does your system have a brand name and model number? One needs to know what Motherboard is within.

One way to find out is to install and run CPU-Z; http://download.cpuid.com/cpu-z/cpu-z_1.89-en.exe

Once you have installed and run the program and the interface has opened, click on the Mainboard/Motherboard tab and post the information produced by your report. A screenshot is best, if you know how.

That way we can see what kind of Graphics card you can fit.

You really should think about upgrading your system.

In the UK, you can get a much upgraded specification for perhaps 2000 baht, for the whole tower. Typical CPU Pentium G3220 which is perhaps nine times more powerful than you current CPU in conjunction with 4 GB of faster RAM. All this for 2000 baht. I don't know how much the equivalent in Thailand.

7 minutes ago, cme said:

I would think the best solution for now is to buy a 5G phone, then connect Laptop via phone to network?

Thailand? 5G not have.

5G phone expensive.

33 minutes ago, ignis said:

if you only want to read News etc

 

Guess  you have 'on board' Graphics? so have a VGA connector on PC ??  if yes then all you need is the VGA to HDMI Connector..  Look on Lazada...  cost from 69 baht.. 

 

100"s here    

https://www.lazada.co.th/catalog/?spm=a2o4m.searchlistcategory.search.4.388e6e675QRHJn&q=vga to hdmi adapter&_keyori=ss&clickTrackInfo=textId--9157838533973438244__abId--135803__pvid--63720e9a-e4aa-4e87-b56a-6196c5432f9f&from=suggest_normal&sugg=vga to hdmi adapter_3_1

 

 

Erm...no.

Be careful with that. The ones for 69 baht are actually HDMI to VGA.

The OP needs VGA+Audio to HDMI. Those are there, though a little more expensive.

3 hours ago, toast1 said:

Thanks

What happens when you right click on the one with the arrow, choose Properties, then Location, edit the name from Desktop to Downloads and then click Apply. You also have the option to Restore to Defaults.

41 minutes ago, Buuge said:

https://www.lazada.co.th/-i257626141-s396924058.html?spm=a2o4m.my_wishlist.price_observing.6.64a86108As3Owz&urlFlag=true&mp=3

is it this one? how does it work with ID/passport check (what they do when you buy it in a shop)?

im thinking of switching from dtac to also true 4mbps/1year plan coz i have internet at my new condo from Sep onwards

 

You take it to a Truemove H shop to register it.

What you need is a wireless bridge. 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/wireless-ethernet-bridge/bn_7024950924

Do you mean a normal PCIe x16 graphics card?

You can get the cheapest of the cheap for what you want.

800 baht will cover it. Which card have you seen for 800 baht and what PC are you running?

50 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Sure, you do that, nevermind. What about my part of the post that stated it was depending upon how much he was in need of a new laptop? Was that also completely wrong?

After this I am not going to bother about you no more. Clearly more people see that you just try to stand above everybody else. Then they get irritated and write something against the forum rules and have their posts removed. Not going to happen with me.

The fact is that your reply was completely wrong.

I have no problem in explaining why.

Let us look at what the OP actually wrote;

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I am not very tech-savvy, so not even sure this question makes sense. I have made do with just a smartphone for 2 years, but it's about time to get a laptop again. But with the roll-out of 5G networks, which are supposed to be 100 times faster (downloading /streaming), in the works, I was wondering whether I should wait till new computers that can connect to 5G wifi become available, or is this something that applies only to smartphones and mobile data connection :obviously my current 4G smartphone will not be able to connect with 5G networks.

and then let us look at what you wrote;

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To make a very long irrelevant thread shorther. To OP: I guess that depends on how much you need a new laptop. The differens from4G to 5G will not be visible for the unprofessional eye anyway.

You completely missed the point. The OP did not want some wildly expensive laptop with an Gigabit capable LTE modem within. They just wanted to understand whether it was something that he needed to consider when looking at new laptops.

The answer was no. 802.11ac wireless protocol is all that he needs for WiFi, 

So your statement of it being dependent of how much he needed a laptop was rendered totally irrelevant. The irony of your trying to state that the other posts on the "long" thread were irrelevant should not be lost on you.

Your second statement of the difference between 4G and 5G "not being visible for the unprofessional eye" is also not based on any kind of fact and subsequently, quite wrong.

I just post the facts on the matter, I do not concern myself with subjective opinions, nor yours nor anyone else's emotional state.

7 minutes ago, rhodie said:

Sorry, should have said for 1 year, or are there unlimited for 1 year or indefinitely. I was on AIS unlimited 4 Mbps for over 2 years. In April the price went to 650 + plus per month and then this month they put a cap on it. 

Indeed, unlimited 4 & 10 Mbps are for 90 days at a time for your SIM. 1284 & 1926 baht respectively.

For new SIMs it is 110 GB @ 4Mbps for 200 baht per month.

5 hours ago, Matzzon said:

I can see that you like yo boost your technical knowledge. If it might be that you have any, then you would also know that many people are novices when it comes to computers. Otherise they would not need to ask online questions about specific areas. You can state your opinion, but you should not tell me that I am completely wrong in the direct manor that you just did. That vecause I am not. 

I am going to tell you that when 5G is fully rolled out, that is a system that is going to be optimized for mobile use, and not have the same new functions and effect like it has for mobile users on laptops. Therefore my information is not wrong, and many people will not see much of a difference in speed just using the eye. Not saying that you not going to see it. I am speaking about the common user, that is not into tech nerdamania.

After that, feel free to come with morw specification to show off. I was pointing my post to the OP, and was trying to help him/her in an easy to understand manor.

Everything that you wrote was and is completely wrong.

First of all, the average user can and will see the difference. That is because the average user will stream and download video of one form or the other.

People are not so stupid that they cannot see when something is downloading much faster than before.

That is for mobile usage alone.

But there is another aspect; Fixed Wireless Access. 

This, as opposed to usage for mobile phones, is a way to supply fast broadband to homes using mobile wireless technology, as opposed to copper wire/fibre.

5G FWA rivals fibre broadband networks for speed. So areas not currently covered by fibre can have a 5G FWA network supplying them with Fibre like speeds.

So once again, in this case, the people who are currently on 17 Mbps ADSL2+ will certainly notice a difference in downloading and streaming on a 100 Mbps connection.

These things(FWA networks) are happening right now, in the USA and in the UK.

http://telecoms.com/497826/three-enters-the-5g-fracas-with-fwa-offering/

These are normal people, not technological wizards. They will notice the difference.

So I stand by my statement that you are completely wrong.

6 hours ago, luckyluke said:

JamJar, why do you think my post was adressed to you in particular? 

 

Sorry, I didn't go further in reading your post, much too long and technical. 

 

 

 

It hardly matters to whom it was addressed. You posted it, so anyone can reply.

Seems a bit pointless you joining the thread, since you don't appear to understand anything at all Nor do you appear to have a wont to understand it.

1 hour ago, Matzzon said:

To make a very long irrelevant thread shorther. To OP: I guess that depends on how much you need a new laptop. The differens from4G to 5G will not be visible for the unprofessional eye anyway.

Completely wrong.

9 minutes ago, Salerno said:

This site is an excellent resource for info,

One could say that I have contributed to it being an excellent source. My posts are generally informative. Take a look.

Whereas when it comes to peeing contests, so far, you are the only one who has boasted that you regularly spend AU$1500 to AU$2000 on your laptops. You have done nothing to help the OP. 

Only adding a distraction in your haste to post in anger.

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

So you have a very concrete answer with post number 2.

 

I am the same, afraid to ask a question in this matter, usually you get an answer with so much technical details ( pretty sure they mean it well ) that you are more perplex than before.

Also pretty sure that the answers are helpful for the ones who understand them.

I try to make my answers understandable to everyone. So if there is something that you don't understand, just ask.

The confusion often resides with the naming coincidence of a 5th generation of mobile network(5G) and the frequencies used by Routers supplied by your Internet Service Providers supply to you for WiFi use at your home.

Older Routers would use the 2.4 GHz waveband which whilst able to penetrate further through walls in your home, is capable of lower bandwidth(speeds). 5 GHz waveband is capable of carrying high speed, but has a lower capability of going through walls.

So you will find Routers that utilise both wavebands. Especially because older products with older Wireless card that cannot connect on the 5 GHz waveband.

Example here; https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-TL-WN725N-Mbps-Wireless-N-Adapter/dp/B008IFXQFU/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_147_t_2/260-7026919-9248867

That will only be able to connect on the 2.4GHz WiFi waveband of your Router.

This; https://www.amazon.co.uk/Foktech-802-11ac-Wireless-Network-10-5-10-13/dp/B06XZ5B5G9/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_147_t_0/260-7026919-9248867 can connect on either.

Here is where it can get confusing;

Apart from our ISP at home supplying Broadband to our homes, we can also tether our mobile SIMs to provide a WiFi signal for our devices. In this case we can use a 3G/4G/5G signal from a SIM card and then turn it into a WiFi signal using your Phone's HotSpot function, MiFi or 4G/5G Router proper, creating a WiFi signal.

Now that WiFi signal from the Phone's HotSpot function, MiFi or 4G/5G Router proper, can be transmitted from that equipment over either the 2.4GHz waveband or the 5GHz waveband.

So in this way, you will be able to make use of 5th Generation mobile networks(5G). In other words, if you tether.

I hope this make it a bit clearer.

5th generation mobile networks is not the same thing as the 5GHz waveband used to transmit/receive by your home router.

Any more questions, just ask. Don't be afraid to do so.

1 hour ago, Salerno said:

Cool, turn into a grammar nazi and <deleted> just because proven wrong; not surprising given this is TV. Price wasn't mentioned in OP, nor was "everyday". As for "everyday", personally my laptops over the years have been in the AU$1500 to AU$2000 so not seeing your point.

I wrote everyday and you quoted me. Even though I was writing in reply to the OP and you decided to jump in.

Now it is clear that the OP was referring to laptops within a limit of 15k baht, you can cool your heels.

The OP now understands that Wireless ac is what is important for him for when it comes to laptops and he also understands the difference between 5 GHz wireless transceivers and 5th generation mobile networking(5G). That is what is important here.

5 hours ago, rhodie said:

AIS seem to only have the unlimited for 1 Mbps. I moved to the True 4 Mbps 1 year unlimited that you can buy on Lazada for 1790 Baht. Works well so far. Just do a search on Lazada for it.

They have 4 Mbps & 10 Mbps too, as documented here, many times.

3 minutes ago, Salerno said:

Hens in your neck of the woods must have poor dental hygeine;

 

https://www.lmc.com.au/catalog/tagged/Notebooks_and_Laptops/All/Connectivity/4G

 

In my neck of the woods, they can both read and spell ????

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 ....it is not something that he would expect to see in an everyday laptop

The lowest priced laptop on your listing is AU$1,445, which rises quickly as you browse further.

14 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Indeed, my laptop is around 3 yr old and has a 5g wifi connection that I am on right now.

No, you are utilising the 5GHz waveband. Nothing to do with 5th generation mobile networking.

Oops...already answered above.

It's a regular misunderstanding.