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The EU are certainly not covering themselves in glory or creditability, since Le Drian and the EFET are now issuing new threats of disruption to the supply of energy to the UK, if the EU fishermen are excluded from the UK waters in 2026.

The agreement has already be made on fishing, not even one month ago, yet the EU are already issuing threats to employ punishment tactics to influence the deal, unbelievable...

2 hours ago, david555 said:

Pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca could spark a UK-EU trade war unless it changes course over its vaccine supply row with Brussels, an MEP has warned.

How can it supply something the EU have not even approved yet?

1 hour ago, david555 said:

https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/27/astrazeneca-row-could-spark-an-eu-uk-vaccine-trade-war-warns-mep

AstraZeneca row could spark an EU-UK vaccine trade war, warns MEP

By Euronews  •   27/01/2021 - 23:18

 

Pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca could spark a UK-EU trade war unless it changes course over its vaccine supply row with Brussels, an MEP has warned.

 

more....

We already knew the EU don't know how to negotiate without bullying, strong arm and punishment tactics, and here you go, proving that point....

14 hours ago, Hi from France said:

You also know that, as of yesterday, there are considerable doubts on the efficiency of Oxford-AstraZaneca, who could be as low as 8% on the elderly.

Total BS!!! Check again your information references, the source "was undisclosed" and the statement has been retracted, as your lot ""got confused"" by the data, which actually stated that 8% of over 65's were tested, not that the efficacy rate was 8%.

Does it hurt you, and your fellow compatriots, so much that the UK are leading the way in this regard, that you have to make up ridiculous claims, in an attempt to belittle the UK's successes, and attempt to damage the companies reputation??

If you don't believe in it, then why is UVL making such a fuss about controlling supplies of it, and whinging about being back of the queue to get it?

14 hours ago, Hi from France said:

What planet do you live on ? The Uk started with the a vaccine created by a German startup (BioNTech) and produced in Belgium (in Puurs) and that the Brexit deal we are talking about here caused huge logistical problems to get to the UK.

Planet independent UK, thanks.

So what? We ordered so far in advance, we obviously honoured our agreement, even though it's about 10 x the price and far more difficult to handle. Unlike the EU who dithered about with their uncontrollable bureaucracy and delayed orders, not to mention the prioritisation of the MEP's for vaccinations over people at critical risk, e.g. health workers. But hey, don't worry about those insignificant individuals, make sure the EUP delegates, the MEP's, are looked after first - got to get their act together and their priorities right, me thinks!!

The logistical problems were probably to do with the excessive requirements for refrigeration of the BioNTech vaccine, which is obviously not so practical.

The French Pasteur Institute however, have again displayed their national characteristics, and surrendered to the challenge of producing one at all.

8 hours ago, bannork said:

60 of those 61 trade deals are simply rollover deals from EU days.

I doubt very much they are identical, or do you have the details to prove it?

8 hours ago, bannork said:

Vaccination better but 100,000 dead from Covid. Bad, bad, governance.

Easy target the government, aren't they.... Of course it's got nothing to do with the stupid, selfish and inconsiderate people who ignore the lockdown rules and protection advice. A friend in UK tells me a group of 400 people were caught holding a rave recently - did the government organise that as well?

21 hours ago, Hi from France said:

demanding specific attention, special rules and exemptions: more red tape more special committees and evaluation committees. 

How's your vaccination programme coming along, or are you still waiting for the EU bureaucrats, and the Pasteur Institute to pull their finger out....

6 hours ago, Surelynot said:

and then waits around for a few decades in the hope another golden goose comes along......pure genius

We're not waiting around for vaccinations, unlike the EU...

Oh, sorry, the French didn't manage to produce one yet....

2 hours ago, david555 said:

E.U. proud you still follow those in your " independence

I think you'll find the majority of the terms are free trade agreements, unlike those of the EU.

What was it - 87% tariff on NZ beef?

1 hour ago, bannork said:

The government couldn't get enough customs officers or the IT system up and running  in time so it's 'wave those lorries through, boys' time.

Perhaps they're just honouring the principles of the free trade agreement, in respect to the cooperation clauses, instead of the petty and belligerent  actions and attitude of the EU.

1 hour ago, bannork said:

60 of those 61 trade deals are simply rollover deals from EU days.

So what, they're ours...

On 1/26/2021 at 12:35 AM, welovesundaysatspace said:

Good the <deleted> was deleted. 

Can't face the truth, and now gloating over the removal of a post proving it, obviously having saved yourself the embarrassment of being proved wrong...

On 1/26/2021 at 10:31 AM, Hi from France said:

Too late, we are not in this phase anymore, Brexit was irreversible a year ago and it has become a reality for 26 days now.

 

.. we are now entering the "reality" phase.

 

 

 

.. and national-populist politicians label this phase "teething problems"

 

 

 

In the words of Andrew Bowie, Conservative Party vice-chairman.

 

 

 

 

 

as it turns out, these "teething problems" feels more like root canal surgery without anaesthetic, wrenching the UK out of the single market and the customs union while claiming the UK promotes free trade.

 

 

1. EU Financial markets and assets are going back to Europe
2. exporting British SME are advised that the only way they can go on selling is to move investments and jobs out of the UK
3. major industries are rethinking their just-in-time supply chains

 

... other major consequences appear, in the services sector and in diplomacy like the UK having to bow to EU demands to give full credence to its ambassador (in a matter of weeks or days ?).

 

This is not an hypothetical "project fear", this is root canal surgery here and now.

 

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Gloat, gloat, gloat, from the people with no vision....

Get real, instant gratification is a myth, and was never promised..... 

On 1/26/2021 at 2:26 AM, Hi from France said:

He would have to convert to French high quality meat (de l’Aubrac ou de la Charolaise). 

Sorry, we don't do horse meat in the UK...

On 1/26/2021 at 4:38 AM, tebee said:

At the moment there are plenty of downsides, though the upsides are more elusive.

"upsides are more elusive"... Not tried very hard to find them, more like..

For instance, without doing any lengthy research:

Covid vaccination roll out in UK is far more successful and better manged than in Europe. The EU are complaining, and threatening obstruction to the export of vaccines produced in Europe, since they could not manage their roll out as effectively as the UK, due to their bloated inefficient bureaucracy and MEP's self interests, only signing supply agreements 3 months after the UK, then they wonder why they are not at the front of the queue.

Improved immigration controls, due to the termination of the EU open boarders / free movement policy.

Freedom to trade world wide, without the restrictions imposed by the EU - 63 new trade deals to date and increasing.....

Let's be realistic for a change. It's quite obvious to anyone with a modicum of common sense, that the negatives are going to be more apparent in the early days of the transition, with teething problems, new border controls, holes in the agreement needing ironing out, and the EU's propensity towards obstructing cooperation whenever possible to punish the UK and set an example to other EU states considering the same action. But hey, don't let the remainers lack of that acumen spoil their gloating party....

 Did you expect instant results when you first set foot inside your college / university or in an apprenticeship, of course not, you spent 3 -7 years studying and working towards your future and the benefits of said education, investing many years at considerable cost and hardship, before you saw any financial or lifestyle benefits at all....

Brexit was never intended to be an instantaneous golden egg, we've got to rear the new breed of golden goose and hatch the proceeds. Have some patience and, not least, some faith, and a bit of well meaning / patriotic verve perhaps....