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3 hours ago, Phulublub said:Literally seconds of searching throws up several sources.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/covid-vaccine-uk/
You're so clever.
What these articles do prove is that the UK were way ahead of the game and committed to finding a solution, to ensure the supply of vaccines - well done UK. ????
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1 hour ago, AmySeeker said:
Bizarrely despite her nationalistic rhetoric she wants to remain in the EU
Really - poor deluded soul. Let's hope she at least has the strength of character to allow the populace the opportunity to decide for themselves.
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2 hours ago, Phulublub said:
I think you might find the UK ordered 60 million doses from GSK/Sanofi Pastuer.
I'm struggling to find that nugget, so would appreciate a link, especially if they paid over any money.
I would also like to know if they refunded that money when they abandoned their attempt to produce it?
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1 minute ago, david555 said:
Let see first the Scott's get their wish ...????
They got it in 2014... ????
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1 minute ago, david555 said:
They tried... but not so at your U.K.'s satisfaction ....maybe the money was toooo low...for a good result ? ????
The only thing they tried was to ensure the poor souls got to the channel border point, without any conscience for the potential consequences of sinking and drowning in unsafe and overcrowded dinghies.
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9 minutes ago, david555 said:Than you get Barnier in place most likely ..????
I wouldn't be so hopeful in your shoes, more likely Le Pen.... Enjoy your Frexit!
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31 minutes ago, david555 said:
It was never intended to work for other gov. Anyway .......
Well now, there's a glaring admission, so you took all those £10's of millions from the UK for nothing - devious b......s.
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3 hours ago, david555 said:
Macron showed you something with Christmas ...????
Won't be long before Macron is showing us his tail between his legs, as he slinks away from the presidency... ????
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4 hours ago, david555 said:
So you know what to do ....it is all yours ....i would even not mind if you would filling that tunnel with concrete
....and cancel those ferrys...
Yet more bitter and spiteful diatribe, completely misguiding the vein of the post.
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4 hours ago, Phulublub said:
The implication is that UK came first in protecting its citizens. Utter baloney. Many countries have done FAR better than both UK and EU. Take off your sunglasses. The sunny uplands are many many miles away
PH
We were discussing the vaccine rollout, before you engaged in your spiteful diatribe about the victims of the pandemic.
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4 hours ago, Hi from France said:Now I'm quite worried with the UK - EU relations deteriorating very fast now, it's a harmless thing to have fanatical national - populist on a forum, but now we're getting to a very different stage, much beyond the Brexit trade deal question.
So you should be. The EU's reprehensible behaviour is appalling.
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4 hours ago, sandyf said:
Reality is the implosion is far more likely in the UK.
Doom and gloom! Not an optimistic bone in your body I suggest.
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4 hours ago, david555 said:
the E.U. is not your border guard....doing the job for you ...
Just as well, since you could never manage it before we left, see my previous post.
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4 hours ago, Phulublub said:
Pretty sure much of thre World is happy their leadership did not "safeguard" their citizens as well as BJ
Probably wouldn't have been in half as bad a situation, if we hadn't had to comply with the EU's open border requirements, and accept all those French navy escorted illegal migrants from France. You know, that supposed safe country, where they left these souls to fend for themselves in the squalor of the Calais camps, and allowed criminal traffickers to pray on them relatively unhindered, since they were unwilling / incapable of controlling a small 30 mile stretch of coastline whilst receiving £10'sM from the UK government to prevent it...
But you carry on blaming BJ, if it makes you feel vindicated.
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7 hours ago, oldhippy said:
Your crystal ball was undoubtedly manufactured in China.
I object - that's plaigiarism... ????
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8 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:
In effect if you were not allowed to order -- then what is the point of preordering or contractng or even subsidizing vaccine development costs. (pre-order is basically a subsidy in this case)
If you stand on the side lines, don't expect to score goals...
Glad we didn't invest in / order from the Pasteur Institute... That would have been pointless!
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12 hours ago, Phulublub said:
The UK are insisting that the first 100 million doses produced in UK are for UK. But the first AZ doses used inthe UK were manufactured in...the EU. The UK has also ordered way more than it can reasonably use immediately. What are they going to do with the excess? Sit on it while others wait?
Why should the UK, who sensibly forward ordered the required vaccine, be disadvantaged because others didn't have the sense or the organisational ability to do the same, and now complain about the lack of supplies? Then, like a bunch of spoilt entitled kids having a tantrum in a sweet shop, stamp their feet and scream - 'I want, I want right now'.
Worse still they threaten to override companies contractual and legal commitments and obligations to get their own way. Pathetic and deeply worrying, that an advanced and educated group of nations would act in this manner. It's even prompted remainers, like Robert Peston of the BBC, to come out and criticise the EU for their behaviour, stating he now understands Brexit. The penny finally drops with some....., whilst others still have their coin slot bunged up with a quagmire of petty peevishness, and accusatorial gloating.
They ordered enough to ensure they wouldn't be in the middle of a feeding frenzy at a later date, to avoid the problems the EU are now facing. Not selfish, but sensible. If they hadn't done that, and were now short of supplies, you and many others would be the first to criticise the UK governments actions...
We have the safety and health of our citizens and then disadvantaged nations to consider first. The EU are big enough, advanced and prosperous enough to look out for themselves, and their ineffectual governance is not our concern anymore, thankfully...
It would appear the EU are missing our support and direction, but then engage in a campaign of punishment and obstruction over a trade deal they signed committing to "fair cooperation". A very bitter and confused bunch, I would suggest.
Many a two faced argument going on here, actively looking for any opportunity to find fault with the UK governments actions and the Brexit decision. All, by the way, extremely short sighted opinions. But hey, you carry on pointing to, and cheering the short term disruptions to the UK's business, if that pessimism and negativity makes you happy, it is your prerogative to have a lack of foresight, and faith in the people of the UK.
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7 minutes ago, david555 said:
Language gestapo is against forum rules ..link master
So are insults...
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20 minutes ago, david555 said:
Dont reply so stupid ...
I think you should improve your written English, before accusing others of being stupid, particularly as you obviously don't understand what you yourself have written.
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47 minutes ago, Opl said:
You place orders for doses - not vials - originally 5 doses per vial , and then Pfizer delivers "up to 6 doses" per vial. ..for the same price, .business as usual
And, your point is??
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52 minutes ago, candide said:"To prove its case, the commission called on AstraZeneca to publish the vaccine contract, which is currently restricted by a confidentiality clause."
Which the EU refuse to override and release the details - too much potential egg on face I suspect, as it wouldn't bode well for the EU's campaign to jump the queue, and cover up it's own organisational failings.
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1 hour ago, david555 said:especially if one side play dirty ...
Oh, so you've seen the contract for the vaccines have you?
Kindly enlighten us on how the UK / OAZ are playing dirty....
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2 hours ago, 7by7 said:You call this "EU pettiness."
What else would you call it;
- Rejection of shipping documents because of punctuation errors.
- Confiscation of truckers sandwiches.
- Threats to disrupt energy supplies, if the EU don't get their way with fishing quotas in 2016.
- Threats to block vaccines exports, if the EU aren't allowed to queue jump the supply agreements.
Etc, etc....
Maybe not petty, just downright vindictive, and fearful of the UK making a success and threatening the future of their precious club.
2 hours ago, 7by7 said:"Remainer bitterness?" You bet; bitterness that the lies of the leave campaigners and the gullibility of so many Brexiteers who fell for those lies has damaged my country for at least a generation.
Wow, that's one powerful set of crystal balls you've got there, a whole generation of forecasting.... Who'd believe it... ????
Although, I would buy a set from the UK, they are far less pessimistic and much more realistic than the ones you got from the EU....
2 hours ago, 7by7 said:We've left the EU and as a result we can no longer enjoy the benefits of membership.
We no longer have to suffer their incompetent and bloated bureaucracy either, or being manacled to their protectionist rules, laws and regulations. ???? ????
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1 hour ago, candide said:
"Freedom to trade world wide, without the restrictions imposed by the EU - 63 new trade deals to date and increasing....."
Followed by, "I doubt very much they are identical" - which you agreed with in your follow on post confirming they were "broadly equivalent".
So where's the contradiction in my stance?
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1 hour ago, candide said:The freedom to get part of the same benefits as before
- particular when I already stated "free of EU imposed restrictions".....
I think you gave up digging that hole and resorted to building a very thick brick wall, for me to bang my head on.... Enoughs enough. ????
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UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal
in World News
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Why? It hasn't stopped you before. But then, as you well know, it's just your typical disingenuous answer, to something you cannot dispute.
Being the grand master of quotations and fact finding, I'm sure you would have, if you could.... I rest my case.
If only. I detect a bit of blinkered / selective, EU loving vision here.
E.g. The EU have managed to agree the equivalence of the US financial services already, but not with the UK, who have the same regulations in place, as you lot keep telling us we've simply been cutting and pasting the EU's policy. They just can't abide to see the UK prosper in any way, but must have access to funds outside of the capacity of the EU's financial services. Petty, vindictive and fearful!
Also they EU are doing deals with China, but question the UK's commitment to workers rights. You couldn't make it up.... What hypocrites!
Total BS, we don't want the same benefits, simply fair treatment and cooperation within the trade agreement, which is what the EU signed up to, but seem incapable of honouring, since it might damage their precious club.
More unsubstantiated protestations.
Covid vaccination programme, and the UK's unfettered ability to make their own timely orders, outside of the ineffectual EU bureaucracy. Satisfied? I doubt it....
Show me one example to prove your false and arrogant claim?