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51 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:
Just bizarre ! Endless months of bleating about wanting a no deal and when a deal comes that has capitulation by Boris all over it you’re lauding it like a result! So so funny. Boris has caved in, Barnier has toyed with him like a cornered mouse from start to finish.
When the minutes come out let’s compare Boris’s red lines to what he came out with - enjoy your mince pies !
Your lips must be smarting, chomping on all those sour grapes...
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12 hours ago, sandyf said:
A deal, and a bad one, has always been an absolute certainty, a deal on an FTA or a deal on contingency measures.
I suspect the negotiators couldn't face starting over on the latter.
You wishing for it, doesn't make it an absolute certainty - jeeze the arrogance of some people....
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14 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:OK go without the food, that’ show them.
Don't you worry about us, we'll be shopping elsewhere before too long, probably cheaper and without strings attached....
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19 hours ago, Hi from France said:I guess the main issue is the future deal with the USA. Can a Brexiteer tell us what is expected at best?
... Aside from fuzzy sunlit uplands, can you give us actual measurable data of what is expected from a deal with the USA and how it will make up for what we can put a figure on = the price of freedom from "EU shackles" ?
Nah, you're getting us mixed up with the soothsayer remainers. Brexiteers don't make wild unsubstantiated predictions, that's the remainers domain.
You still don't get it, do you. Brexit is not about the potential economic gains, it's all about shedding the shackles of the EU, regaining our sovereignty and independence to control our own destiny. We're tired of your club and it's aspirations for world domination, and a United States of Europe.
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19 hours ago, Hi from France said:I suspect the real issue is what they can do with this freedom, wich came at a hefty price (unemployment, and - 2% or - 4% GDP in addition to the - 2% lost in anticipation of Brexit, so we are talking +-200/300 billions a year in lost GDP?).
More scaremongering, with totally fictitious predictions....
Of course Armageddon is coming, that's why the pound has jumped to $1.36 today - my, my, what a disaster....
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12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:
You’ve got rights and quotas mixed up.
How so?
The overall access was dictated by the EU CFP, which is what they are trying to negotiate now. The quotas were sold to individual companies / boats amongst the different member states, subsequent to that ruling.
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5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:If you bought the rights then take what belongs to you.
You didn't buy the rights, you bought the quotas. The rights were imposed by the EU CFP....
The rights and the associated quotas will, from here on, be decided by the UK.
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6 hours ago, luckyluke said:
The sad fact is that for the bigots(left & right) the truth is only their own belief/view of a situation.
That's stating the obvious! You yourself have said on numerous occasions that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs / views / feelings / opinions, but now we are all bigots.....
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18 hours ago, bannork said:One of the Brexiteers here mentioned 57 trade deals had been signed since February. Most are roll- overs from EU contracts, but what he didn't mention was over 450 haven't been rolled over and will cease to be valid on January 1st.
You appear to imply that these 450 will cease trading with us. Quite the contrary, they will be delighted to be able trade outside the EU protectionist tariffs, as has been demonstrated with the 60 deals already signed on a, predominantly free trade arrangement as I understand from the reports.
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19 hours ago, Hi from France said:
There won't be a deal in the time remaining.
This fellow is running away with himself - there'll be no quotas and no punishment tariffs, unless UK agree to some access, which will be our decision on an annual review basis.
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19 hours ago, Bruntoid said:
so give us some post brexit financial projections to lift the gloom ..This should be good ....
The financial experts are out there in the financial world not just on here, and out there you are friendless! You may have noticed.
You were the one that sighted financial Armageddon, so let's hear your version since you brought it up?
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19 hours ago, bannork said:I see Brexit as a disaster but that doesn't mean I'm a pessimist. My life in Thailand is full of cheer and love, it's just sad to see the UK committing financial suicide.
In what way is it committing financial suicide?
Another Armageddon soothsayer ....
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1 hour ago, Hi from France said:
EU countries are in an unprecedented recession too!
Some have been hit very very hard: Spain, Italy, France.. but none has been hit as hard as the UK.
The eastern Europe countries have been less hit by covid, so European solidarity is also going the other way now. Greece did pretty well actually.
And the fact the UK is out and cannot veto has allowed for unprecedented measures:
https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/recovery-plan-europe_en
Mostly, Brexit is a sad thing, but really the UK being out allows us to do much more together now
Whilst paying more together, without UK's contributions.... Enjoy!
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On 12/21/2020 at 7:00 AM, luckyluke said:
It is, in my opinion, better to have a too much pessimistic approach, than a to big optimistic one.
For the pessimist when indeed something bad come out, he isn't surprised.
When it appears to be good, he is happy.
For the optimist when good come out, he isn't surprised.
When bad, he is devastated.
Anyway everything is about belief.
The Law of Belief says that you do not necessarily believe what you see, but you see what you have already decided to believe.
Personally I would rather live with hope and cheer in my heart and mind, than the depressing fear, dread and negativity of a pessimist.
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7 hours ago, Bruntoid said:
I’ve got a feeling bojo will balls it up next time he attempts to do up his shoelaces without supervision - that’s a fact too!
No, that's another prediction from your crystal balls.... You guys wouldn't recognise a fact if it jumped up and hit you in the face....
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7 hours ago, bannork said:
To fall flat on your face means to fail in an embarrassing way. God knows how you apply that to Britain after WW1.
Similar analogy to your "smacking into a mountain side", i.e. it's going to be a disaster / failure - so it appears you now agree with my statement then. And yes, the remainers hope it will be an embarrassment to Brexiteers, since you spend all your time on here trying to rub our nose in your PERCEIVED forecasts of failure after we leave the transition period - very sad!
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5 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:
and will force them to address "priorities" when the UK is running out of food and toilet paper
I see your crystal balls are prophesising Armageddon as well.......
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7 hours ago, luckyluke said:
Not what we Belgian feel,
We weren't discussing your feelings. Feelings and facts are two completely different issues.
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6 hours ago, bannork said:Please elaborate, how does a country fall flat on its face?
I Guess the absence of an answer means that's a no then, but you couldn't bring yourself to admit it.
But your idea that we are going to smack into a wall in 11 days is, yet again, more crystal ball gazing.... ????
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3 minutes ago, bannork said:
I wouldn't use WW1 as an example of British spirit if I was you.
Did the UK fall flat on it's face thereafter??
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17 minutes ago, luckyluke said:
The independence of Belgium was declared the 4th. October 1830.
And then you gave it away, along with your sovereignty, to be a member of the EU.
18 minutes ago, luckyluke said:We are not shackled at all.
You are as long as you are a member.
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5 hours ago, bannork said:
Blind Faith, that's what you're flying on Tofer and it's going to lead you smack into a mountain side in two weeks.
Just look back over the history of GB, and tell me when did they ever fall flat on their face, including the great plague, the relinquishing of the British Empire, WWI & WWII? I'm confident we'll get along just fine without being under the big stick of the EU....
But don't let my optimism spoil your pessimistic sulking and pity party...., everyone's entitled to their opinion.
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3 hours ago, luckyluke said:
Belgium is among the 191 countries,
Ah, but they're not "independent"...., still shackled to the EU!
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7 hours ago, bannork said:
A sovereign independent country all alone in a world of trading blocs and powerful economies.
We will have lost our bargaining power.
He of little faith - are you really British? Not much evidence of the pioneering spirit here, nor any national pride. ????
UK tells EU: back down by Sunday night or we'll walk
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Still living in the past. This post is about the pending outcome of negotiations, not the referendum...????