Tofer

17 hours ago, david555 said:

As lately they started with changing laws and shortcutted judges power ....mr Tofer ....google could explain you that ...

1 example ... more to find ...you really think E.U. (even you dont like..) just start something anyhow ?

Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban investigated over €2m EU funding spent on 'absurd' vintage train line (telegraph.co.uk)

Sorry, I'm not being critical of your command of the English language as you're obvious not of English origin. But I cannot make any sense of your post, therefore I have no comment.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Which other country did the EU demand unfettered access to their fishing waters as part of an FTA?

 

Simple question. Answer it.

 

Then I'll give you the next example.

I wouldn't  hold your breath Jonny.

On 11/26/2020 at 12:40 PM, david555 said:

I chose the last option ????...., U.K. option looks not to good as i read & hear Sumak  announcement ..waw ! record spending in peace time in 300 years...

It's called a covid recovery fund, and at least we've got one, unlike the EU who cannot agree their budget / recovery funding. 

But, of course, the EU has a solution to the problem of Hungary and Poland vetoing the budget, just refuse them the right to vote - very democratic...

18 hours ago, 7by7 said:

How can anyone trust a government which signs an international treaty and then a few months later declares that it's going to ignore it?

Lots of countries out there signing trade deals and fisheries agreements that dispels your opinion. ????

13 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

OK then why did he sign it and indeed tout it as being HIS oven ready deal?

So predictable. ????

I know this post has gone on a long time, but have you forgotten I told you before, to get the process off the starting block, and get the UK out of the EU clutches which I think you must admit, he has done.

18 hours ago, 7by7 said:

yet again providing  the evidence which proves you wrong and asking you the same questions you have again refused to answer.

Go on - be a sport. I'm waiting with baited breath to see what evidence you have to disprove my statements.

Oh, of course, there isn't any......

17 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Name one.

 

You can't; because the ECJ has no jurisdiction over a member state's criminal law and courts.

 

"The Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) interprets EU law to make sure it is applied in the same way in all EU countries, and settles legal disputes between national governments and EU institutions.

It can also, in certain circumstances, be used by individuals, companies or organisations to take action against an EU institution, if they feel it has somehow infringed their rights." (Source)

 

 

BS - the EUC of human rights overturned many a UK court decision - do you really know nothing?

Stop asking for proof, I'm not your nanny, look it up yourself if you dispute my statements, because I'm certainly not going to just to satisfy your intransigence, and refusal to accept the truth.

17 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Tofer, as you are merely repeating your assumptions and false accusations without actually providing any evidence at all to back them up, I see no reason for me to take up even more bandwidth and further bore everyone else by yet again providing  the evidence which proves you wrong and asking you the same questions you have again refused to answer.

 

No doubt in your mind you will see that as some form of false victory.

There are none so blind as those that will not see......

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

yes it was such a bad 45 years isn't in the E.U. club ????

Bl..dy awful!

I'll never forget the number of prosecutions in UK courts that were overturned by the EUCJ, releasing criminals back onto our streets.

19 minutes ago, david555 said:

I chose the last option ????...., U.K. option looks not to good as i read & hear Sumak  announcement ..waw ! record spending in peace time in 300 years.... i think there is now a Blond guy with serious headache ..... but .... he made his dream .... became PM.????

What, there wasn't any covid in the EU. How much was it they are borrowing to fund the consequences of covid?

20 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

No I'm going to stay right here to remind all you Brexiteers of what it is you have done to the UK.

When / if you're proved right, I will be buying one of your crystal balls.

1 hour ago, david555 said:

Forgetting the U.K. also co designed those rules & laws 45 year's

Thank you, yes we did!

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Most if not all the deals the UK has managed to get are copies of the deals we already had while part of the EU.

So what. We were part of the EU when they were established, so they are just as much ours.

12 hours ago, david555 said:

The EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, has warned David Frost that without a major negotiating shift by Downing Street within the next 48 hours he will pull out of the Brexit negotiations in London this weekend, pushing the talks into a fresh crisis.

looks like Barnier has been taking lessons from Boris, since the begging hasn't worked.....

17 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Nice that you completely ignored my reply and just posted the headline of the FT.

You posted 2 links with the same text from different rightwing neoliberal sources as evidence for what? The things the BoE got wrong? They didnt. It just took longer to happen because you Brexiteers couldnt decide what Brexit ACTUALLY means.

And that was in response to a post I made asking for links to what you Brexiteers have actually got right ????.

Is all this crowing ever going to change the FACT, we've left - get used to it, get on board, or move to your beloved EU.

22 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

I did not call you stupid.

Read the post again.

 The implication that I am an optimist was quite clear in your statement, and hence by association am stupid. Stop digging, that hole is getting bigger.....

However, I would much rather be a cheerful optimist than a dreary pessimist.

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

You can ask that same question of the UK government. As I am not privy to what goes on around the negotiating table, I can't answer.

With all your knowledge, you mean to tell me you aren't aware that the EU are demanding the UK remain under the control of EU laws and regulations after the transition period, the so called "level playing field". Well I'm shocked, something you don't know, that is staring everybody in the face on a daily basis.

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Don't say you've already given examples; because so far you have only given unsubstantiated and easily disproven rumours.

The disproven rumours that come straight from the horses mouth - Michel Barnier, in frequent news reports, DEMANDING a "LEVEL PLAYING FIELD", got it now, or do you still wish to pull the wool over your eyes, because it won't wash with anyone else.

I'm sorry if I'm not as techy clever as you, and am not familiar with the process of attaching news reports, but there it is. The facts are not hidden, but clear for everyone to see, without the need for substantiating quotes - oh sorry you don't have any, you just keep trying to turn it back on me.

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Whereas the evidence of Johnson reneging on the WA is contained within the his Internal Market Bill.

The bill that was made necessary by the EU's nasty devious and vindictive tactics to intervene in the UK's trade between UK & NI, and still are, by the news I've seen only 2 days ago they were again threatening a blockade of UK products to NI.

NI is a part of the UK, not the EU.

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

The EU; never denied that. But the UK will continue with quotas; see Flagship Fisheries Bill becomes law.

Did you fail to read the date on that new law ""2020"", and the statement that the UK take back control after 40 years. Come on, get real.... Did you think I cannot or will not read the link, hoping I will just cave under your spurious facts...

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

When you crowed over the EU losing out to Iceland, Norway, Greenland and the Faroe Islands.

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Wasn't me who said it; it was you; here

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Hence my oft repeated question which you have dodged again.

Again, I did not say we had """SOLD OUT""". please, by all means highlight that statement again, if you wish to prove your point, but this time be a bit less disingenuous and show exactly where I used those words.

Oh, sorry you can't..... ????

At the end of the day, if you're so enamoured with the EU - you know what to do..... 

12 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

It was not meant as an insult. It is true though. When facts change then change your mind.

You can't call someone "stupid", and then claim you didn't mean it.

19 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 In the post I linked to.

Rubbish, that post is linked to Rookiescots, which links to mine debating the relevance of historic statements.

Kindly pick out the exact statement you were referring to, where you claim I stated the UK fishermen had already been sold out...