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On 11/9/2020 at 6:55 PM, RayC said:Is it really so unreasonable to ask for some evidence - or at least, a coherent argument - to support this theory that Brexit will deliver a future full of bright new tomorrows for the UK?
I tried the 'closing my eyes and wishing really hard for something' approach on the morning after the referendum. It didn't work then, and I don't hold out much hope that it will now.
I don't have crystal balls, unlike some on this forum. But what I can say is that IMO, we'll be far better off setting our own rules, laws and trading arrangements, than being tied to a bunch of self serving, unelected, protectionist EU bureaucrats, who are more interested in their gravy train and building a 'Republic of Europe', than the prosperity of the UK economy, businesses and citizens, or any other EU member for that matter.
What's more, as I've said on a number of occasions, arguing over a done deal is rather pointless.
If you thought you were going to have an epiphany the morning after, I would suggest you need to climb down off cloud cuckoo land, and stop being such a defeatist. Watch Oddball a few dozen and repeat after him.....
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53 minutes ago, nauseus said:
Great movie - here you go - take it away Oddball:
Thanks Nauseus, gave me a good laugh again, badly needed on this post. Hope I didn't mislead you with the incorrect movie - Kelly's Heroes is the one.
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1 hour ago, transam said:
Brexit is done, so you, and the football guy will just have to wait and see how it pans out, won't you, instead of daily bleating......????
Rookiescot needs some of 7by7's crystal balls, I think!
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52 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:
Are you really claiming the UK is in a good state at the moment?
Have you not heard of the Covid 19 pandemic. EU is not in a good state either at this time. But, of course, in your prejudiced and depressing eyes, it will all be the fault of Brexit which, by the way, doesn't take full effect until 31/12/20.
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13 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:I must assume my post went right over your head.
I specifically asked to be convinced so I could get behind it.
Something Brexiteers seem unable or unwilling to do.
You are calling for Remainers to back Brexit but failing to bring an argument for why we should.
No it didn't.
I've no intention of trying to convince you of the FACT that is Brexit. If you can't see the positives, then there's no hope, and I have no inclination to extend this post with another 100 pages of inconsequential bickering.
If you don't want to get behind Brexit, then continue wallowing in your dark pit of self pitying negativity. Quite frankly, I couldn't give a toss whether you back Brexit or not, it's too late for that anyway, the referendum has been and gone, but you will surely have to live with it. So make your own mind up, get your head out from under the pillow or not - dam chai.
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15 hours ago, Rookiescot said:Once again you equate being anti Brexit with being anti Brit.
You really need to stop that. It helps no-one and just causes further division.
Try a different approach. Convince us all why Brexit is a good idea so we can all get behind it.
Nobody has to convince you of anything, it's not just an "idea" it's reality - IT HAPPENED!
About time you, and all the other remainers, get used to the idea, and get in step, on board, behind it, or whatever.... But for goodness sake, stop whining about something you cannot change, look for the positives and move on with your life.
If you have convinced yourself that Britain will be anything less than a great independent nation again, you're obviously deluding yourself with, what appears to be, a very depressing and unrealistic outlook.
Nobody is suggesting it will be a smooth ride, but neither will it be the disaster remainers make out. Change is a good thing and the challenges will be invigorating.
Oddball said it best in the Dirty Dozen - "what's with all these negative vibes". Sorry I've no idea how to attach the movie clip.
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17 hours ago, 7by7 said:Then again, maybe he didn't have a clue about it's contents and signed it because Cummings told him it would win him the election and he could renege on it afterwards.
He obviously had good foresight, or better crystal balls than you have, knowing the EU would do everything they could to punish the UK, and not respect the essence / terms of the WA, thereby rendering it null and void with the predictable result of a no deal.
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6 hours ago, 7by7 said:That is why I voted Remain and consider the referendum result to be an economic disaster for the UK on a par with the South Sea Bubble, the 1929 depression and the 1972 stock market crash.
There you go again with your crystal balls....
Quite frankly this post is getting to be a boringly monotonous rant of sour grapes from remainers who don't appear to be able to accept the result of the democratic referendum.
Raking up historic statements and polls is not in any way relevant to the OP.
Time to move on, IMHO.
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On 11/4/2020 at 4:03 PM, malibukid said:
god forbid if you farang and involved, this is why its stupid to buy a car here and drive.
I for one, would much rather drive myself than get into a bus, minibus, taxi, songtow etc. driven by an untrained Thai driver.
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20 hours ago, RayC said:
Or looked at another way, UK retirees who are taking advantage of their (EU) hosts' public health systems without having contributed much to it.
And visa versa with your 3.6M EU citizens taking the same free health care in UK, not having contributed all their lives into the NHS.
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On 11/3/2020 at 10:41 PM, 7by7 said:
It's actually 3.6 million; but even if it were 4 million that's just 0.9% of the population of the EU.
Whereas 1.3 million Brits, 1.9% of the UK population, live in the EU.
Proportionately, more Brits choose to live in the EU than EU nationals choose to live in the UK.
The 1.3M Brits are predominantly retirees, still living off the "milk and honey" of their UK pensions. Unlike the 3.6M EU citizens who go to the UK to reap said "milk and Honey"
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On 11/3/2020 at 10:30 PM, 7by7 said:
Leavers did not want the single market?
Really?
If leavers didn't want to maintain access to the single market why did Vote.Leave, including Gove and Johnson, go to such pains to persuade voters that leaving the EU would not mean losing access to the single market?
Why did they call Cameron's warning "Project Fear?"
'Tied to' and 'access to' are two completely different scenarios.
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On 10/27/2020 at 1:24 AM, 7by7 said:
All of which brings us full circle back to May's deal with which we could have left on the 29th March 2019 were it not for Boris' machinations!
And sacrifice the UK's sovereignty in the process. That's not what Brexit was meant to achieve, being tied to EU laws and governance in a common market arrangement.
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On 10/26/2020 at 10:33 PM, Rookiescot said:
Oh we are fully aware you Brexiteers won.
We are just laughing at what you won and the huge difference between what you thought you were going to win.
Is that a prediction, a blind mantra, crystal ball gazing or just wishful thinking to prove your point.
Let's wait and see shall we.
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On 10/23/2020 at 5:42 PM, bannork said:
the world's largest trading bloc on your doorstep.
For how long? I believe the EU is on notice
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On 10/23/2020 at 3:40 PM, sandyf said:
You obviously never bothered to read the link, dated March 2016, and not the first time he spoke on the matter.
Just about the time the Brexit debates were going on... Or would you care to identify his previous speeches.
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On 10/23/2020 at 3:40 PM, sandyf said:
Make no mistake, for the UK it is the beginning of the end.
He of Little faith. Not much of the British spirit in you, is there...
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41 minutes ago, NanLaew said:And you would suggest it what?
Don't be so pedantic. I'm sure he meant recommend it.
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5 hours ago, sandyf said:
And it will remain frozen unless other MP's like Ian Blackford stand against the injustice.
Of course to some, loss of income will take second place to bigotry.
I applaud his speech. Pity it took Brexit to recognise the injustices, otherwise he would likely have never come out of the closet. He had to use examples of the likes of us in Thailand, so that he could raise / emphasise the subject, to ultimately substantiate his concerns about Brexit, and the Brits living in the EU. Never heard a peep out him prior to Brexit.
However, you have used this link completely out of context with my comment being about his backdoor negotiations colluding with the EU, to frustrate Brexit.
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6 hours ago, nauseus said:
Black Angus by now?
Nah, black stallion surely, coming from the EU.
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6 hours ago, sandyf said:
Obviously you are not on a frozen pension.
Ian Blackford criticised the lack of consistency of treatment of overseas British pensioners. Pointing out anomalies arising from historic bilateral deals and pointing out that there was no need for new bilateral agreements for the government to take action. He also raised the possible danger for the 400,000 UK pensioners living in the EU, who may find themselves with a frozen pension if Britain votes to leave the European Union in June.
I'm not drawing a pension, yet! But when I do, living in Thailand, it will be frozen, irrespective of what happens with Brexit.
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2 hours ago, transam said:
Very funny comrade, especially from a UK national..........????
He's not a UK national, he's from the imagined Independent Republic of Scotland, soon not to be so independent, if they leave and rejoin the EU....
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11 hours ago, RayC said:
Who is Michael Charles?
As Nauseus said, Charles Michel. My mistake for reading his name off twitter, and not having anything to do with all that social networking, was not aware how it presents a name.
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1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:
And once again. You refer to Scotlands First Minister in a derogatory term. Also you insinuate Ian Blackford is somehow a traitor.
You on a roll tonight boy.
He's been behind the back of the UK government, discussing ways to avert Brexit with, I think it was, Michael Charles. If he was in the US, he would be hung drawn and quartered, on the strength of the Logan Act, for interfering in government business, when he has no such mandate to do so.
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Brexit brinkmanship: Johnson says prepare for no-deal, cancels trade talks
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There you go again with those negative waves....