Eloquent pilgrim

“It's about protecting minorities. I welcome it” … no it’s not; it is about prioritising a specific minority for their voting block, and consequently marginalising the majority. The UK has operated without a blasphemy law for hundreds of years. “There were a raft of laws, that quite rightly protected the Jewish community too” … is that why thousands of Islamists and their metropolitan stooges have been allowed to march through the UK’s cities every week for more than a year calling for the eradication of all Jews ? “If you are a racist i can see why it would annoy you” Islam is not a race, thought you might have researched that before posting.

Could you please point out where in his comment that you were replying to, he said that he wanted to be racist or burn a holy book … thanks And if you can’t, then don’t pretend he said something that he didn’t, just so that you can attack him for something he didn’t say; it is called flaming and is against forum rules.

Here is a link to the NHS statistics, and after you have read them you can apologise to me for calling me a liar (but I don't mind if you still despise me) It is not my fault that you are in total denial of any criticism of Islam, but your denial has now reached absurd levels. I am also attaching a screenshot so that you can see the depravity of the statistics, with 19.4% of the total being made up by babies under the age of 1; and you can also see that a staggering 81.5% of the 37,615 (known) procedures have been carried out on children under the age of 10. These are the very statistics that you are in denial of; but hey, you keep denying these horrendous statistics of barbarism if it makes you happy, but take it up with the NHS, they are their figures, not mine. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/female-genital-mutilation&ved=2ahUKEwiN6PPd4quLAxVuT2wGHYupDP4QFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2OG8ppRLdSw5-eH6Qh6L2s

Sorry for a late response but I don’t spend every waking hour on the forum, I have another life; that notwithstanding, this is more delusional denial from you. I have stated quite clearly my own first hand experiences about muslims and Sharia councils in the UK. You don’t want to accept what is happening in the UK, because firstly you have no experience of the UK whatsoever, but more importantly, your far left indoctrination has become so extreme, that you will not tolerate any criticism of either Islam or muslims; continually asking for verifiable data about illegal practices is facile and deflective, as you know that these procedures are all clandestine. The clandestine nature of these procedures is illustrated by the fact that there have been very few prosecutions in the UK despite the NHS statistics reporting 37,615 cases of FMG since 2015, and more than 100,000 other attendances about the procedure. It matters not if you believe that Shari councils in the UK are aware of, or approve of these procedures, thousands of them are happening every year in the UK, against UK law. This, the subjugation of women, the persecution of gays, honour killings, the marriage of prepubescent girls, and not forgetting the rape gangs, are the reasons that muslims do not, and never will, integrate and assimilate into any western culture. I don’t know why, but you now appear to despise western culture and instead, promote, defend, and deflect all criticism of Islam, which is a brutal, medieval, homophobic, misogynistic hate culture. Islam is a cancer on western civilisation, as we have seen with 9/11, Bataclan, Nice, Samuel Paty, Manchester concert, 7/7, Charlie Hebbo, London bridge, Barcelona, Swedish football fans in Brussels, to name but a few of the thousands; and let’s not forget Hamas, Hezbollah, The Houthis, and Iran.

Don’t accuse me of telling lies. I have had countless interactions with muslims of different nationalities in the UK on a daily basis for more than 20 years. I have spoken to many of them about their religion and different aspect of their culture, including cheating on fasting during Ramadan. Several of them told me that although they disapproved themselves, that FGM as well as honour killings were carried out with the approval of the local Sharia council, or the Imam of their mosque. The only caveat being that they all said that sometimes honour killings were spontaneous and therefore not approved (as was the one I posted about earlier) They all also told me that they approved of first cousin marriage, which is not illegal in the UK anyway; but I should add that all my conversations were with muslim men, not with any women. This is my first hand personal experience, which you will not like because it does not come from the Guardian or the BBC. However, like it or not, it is the truth, my truth, and I own this truth; you really have no idea whatsoever about Islam in the UK.

Absolutely hilarious; you telling someone to ‘man up’ …. Did you pay privately for your irony bypass, or did your health insurance cover it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Absolutely not; and I find it abhorrent that you, as a non UK citizen, come on this forum defending the pernicious, divisive, Islamic Sharia councils in the UK. However, people are finally waking up to the destructive nature of the extreme left wing views that you, and others, have been advocating, in your monotonous promotion of both Islam, and, of course, your own virtuosity. But fortunately, what you believe to be a virtue, is now being seen as a profound weakness, and your views have been an enormous part of the problem, rather than offering any solution to it; thankfully, your views are now proving to be on the wrong side of history, as the western world rails against your deleterious advocacy; shame on you.

FGM has been illegal in the UK since 1985, and therefore rather obviously, procedures are either clandestine within the UK, or the victims are sent abroad for the mutilation. The NHS started collecting statistics in 2015 and they have reported a total of 37,615 individual women (and girls) having undergone the procedure. Because of the secretive nature of these procedures it has been very difficult for the CPS to bring prosecutions or convictions. However, in the insular muslim communities in the UK, absolutely nothing is done without the knowledge of, and approval of, the Sharia council (if that community has one) or otherwise the Imam of their mosque. Most people, both muslim and otherwise, that live in the UK know this; which because you don’t live in the UK is probably why you are absolutely clueless about it. It is obvious that your myopic defence of Islam and anything related to Islam has become an obsession, but even you cannot believe that something like FGM can happen in a UK muslim community without the knowledge of their Sharia council ….. or maybe you can ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Attaching a link from your go to news outlet with some of the appalling statistics; do they not have this issue in the US ? https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/sep/19/nhs-reports-increase-in-female-genital-mutilation-cases&ved=2ahUKEwipw7jlpqGLAxXexjgGHZiuCwAQFnoECA0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw047OhfeyQUJ4dBuVH5OjrU

can you not open the link

Without any evidence ? try this. I have had a great deal of interaction with muslims in the UK. This lad, that I knew as Naz, was one of about 30 muslim customers of my wholesale business in London. I served him every day, 6 days a week, for 3 years, and got to know him very well; at least I thought I had. He was very westernised, and we mocked and harangued each other about our respective cricket teams. Then one day with the help of his 17 year old cousin, he knifed his beautiful 18 year old sister to death in an “honour” killing; you couldn’t script the irony, it was because she wanted to marry a refugee from Afghanistan, but he was the wrong type of muslim ….. link attached from one of your favourite sources, the BBC https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/5179162.stm&ved=2ahUKEwjo1vfKwZ-LAxWRS2cHHaHrANgQFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2GIH_VwQwD4-oS6c9qYxsy

This comment distills the very essence of the deflective and disingenuous way in which you comment on this forum; rather than opine about the practices of these Sharia councils in the UK, you simply say they are not against UK law, although they have no legal jurisdiction whatsoever in the UK; the practices they promote and oversee, such as the female genital mutilation of children, the marriage of 13 year old (and younger) girls to old men, honour killings, divorce settlements, bigamy (men allowed 3 wives) and the persecution of gays, are all against UK law. Do you approve of these practices ? because you seem to support the existence of Sharia courts in the UK, but refuse to make any comment about their practices.

The irony of you saying that is absolutely breathtaking. I hope you are going to start following this innovative dictum.

Bizarre comment of the days far, and it has beaten off some stiff competition; you think the indigenous population of the UK should do whatever is necessary to make immigrants warm to us, rather than that they should do whatever they can to make us warm to them; like integrating into UK society. The only way we can make them warm to us, is if we convert to Islam; did you really not know that ?

I notice that you don’t have anything to say about the 85 Sharia councils that are operating with impunity in the UK, against UK laws. These councils are preventing integration, which is what the post is about. These Sharia councils are causing great division in British society as they promote inter-cousin marriage, the female genital mutilation of girls as young as 10, honour killings, homophobia, and the subjugation of women; yet you don’t seem to have anything to say about it. Maybe that’s because you don’t live in the UK, and know very little about living there, apart from what you read in left wing news outlets like the Guardian and the BBC. "know thyself" ..... oh, please ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The UK was a multiracial society, very successfully, from the 1950’s through to the 1990’s with beneficial integration from immigrants of different races and cultures. The real problem started when immigrants that are adherents to Islam started arriving, with their refusal to even attempt to integrate, but rather a dictum to start parallel societies within the UK, which they have done. There are already 85, and counting, known Sharia councils in the UK, and every one of them promote hate preaching, honour killings, the subjugation of women, the persecution of gays, and the female genital mutilation of children. They also promote middle aged uncles marrying (several) of their prepubescent nieces; this is hugely popular with the menfolk, not so much with the schoolgirls. It is the insular nature of these Sharia councils within communities that has fostered, enabled, and protected the myriad muslim rape gangs; making integration impossible for most of them, because they have been indoctrinated into believing that it is wrong to integrate with infidels; whilst a few well educated muslims have integrated to an extent, they have moved away from the vicelike grip of their original communities. Whilst the left wing virtue signallers (including several of the usual suspects on here) try to shut down any conversation about it, by screaming Islamophobe, racist, bigot, or xenophobe, the UK’s march towards an Islamic state, or a civil war, gathers a momentum that it appears cannot be reversed …. Private Frazer was right on the money ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I replied about the BBC, simply because you asked me specifically about the BBC. Make sense ? The IDF have not allowed reporters into Gaza because it is a war zone. They have had enough problems trying to fight an army that does not wear a uniform (except when handing hostages to the Red Cross) making itself indistinguishable from the civilians that they hide behind, and under, in schools, hospitals and nurseries. The extra responsibility of safeguarding reporters would make an almost impossible job, impossible; but you know that don’t you, yet still you have an overwhelming desire to believe everything this terrorist organisation says. I hope it is not because you have embraced the modern left wing orthodoxy of being antisemitic.

Because they take the figures that they quote from the Palestinian Ministry of Health (Hamas) They usually add the caveat of where the figures come from. However, it suits the BBC to use the numbers supplied by Hamas because the BBC is institutionally antisemitic; you also seem absolutely determined to believe any numbers provided by Hamas as well, not sure what your reason is ??

@bannork The institutionally antisemitic BBC, would not publish inaccurate figures that put Israel in a bad light; please confine future comments to planet earth. The BBC have been deliberately reporting inaccurately on the Gaza conflict, and still will not refer to Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

You’ve cited The Lancet, The BBC, and the UN, who all get their figures from Hamas, you’ve forgotten so far, The Guardian, UNRWA, and Al Jazeera. Are you simply gullible, or just incurious

Hilarious; the survey is using mainly information from the Palestinian Ministry of Health (Hamas) So you are just regurgitating Hamas propaganda … shame on you. “We used a three-list capture–recapture analysis using data from Palestinian Ministry of Health (MoH) hospital lists, an MoH online survey and social media obituaries”

No, you stated the percentages, it is for you to substantiate your claim; if you cannot then it is quite possible that you are posting false information, and your comment will need to be reported

Where did you get these percentages from please ... thanks

Whoosh …….. hilariously predictable left wing response; thank you kindly for obliging with some classic default whataboutery. Cosmic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The usual left wing suspects will no doubt be on here soon, blaming the targets of this proposed antisemitic terrorism, rather than the perpetrators; this, while their very own societies sleepwalk towards Islamification.