Eloquent pilgrim

You are saying that a two state solution is the answer, but that Israel are not interested, so obviously blaming Israel with your statement; but when asked if Hamas are interested in a two state solution, you have no answer. Might it be that you don’t want to answer because you know that the eradication of all jews, not just in Israel, but throughout the world, is in the founding charter of Hamas, so a two state solution is the last thing in the world they would want.

You’ve already said that and that Israel are not interested in it. I asked you if Hamas are interested in it ?

And Hamas are ?

You sound a bit upset

Excellent piece of deflection and avoidance; you throw a stick at Trump, but not one single word about the Hamas affiliated agency, UNRWA, hiding an Israeli hostage on behalf of Hamas; not just hiding her, but denying her medical aid when she had been shot in the leg, and also shot in the hand loosing 2 fingers … aid agency, my aunt fanny’s fat arse. Hamas agency. And not a word either about some of their operatives taking part in the 7 October atrocities, not one word, just a swipe at Trump. And you quote the UN as if they have some legitimacy. I hope you are not another antisemite, because we have far too many on this forum already.

Yes, Israel has been trying (unsuccessfully) to prevent rockets and other munitions being shipped to Hamas from Iran; do you blame them for that ? Are you referring to that same trustworthy UN that the US has just suspended funding for ? that same UN whose agency UNRWA had been keeping one of the kidnapped Israeli hostages in one of their facilities in Gaza, and some of whose workers (sic) took part in the October 7 slaughters …. that totally impartial UN ?

You don’t seem to understand anything about this conflict whatsoever; the Palestinians occupier is Hamas, a terrorist organisation that you have shown support for on this forum. You cannot even accept that the atrocities of 7 October were an act of terrorism. I feel sorry for you that you have been so far indoctrinated by left wing, and Hamas propaganda, that it has left you unable to think for yourself; and if you cannot accept that the 7 October atrocities were an act of terrorism, then you clearly cannot think at all.

Wrong …… wrong ? jeez, why don’t you try and display your antisemitism more clearly. It wasn’t simply wrong, it was the most brutal, sadistic, barbaric, and savage act of terrorism in modern history, and all you can do is call it wrong. Shame on you.

Incorrect; Israel withdrew all military personnel from Gaza between August and September of 2005

Okay, so do you think that the actions of Hamas, and other Palestinians, on 7 October 2023, was terrorism or not ? and if so, do you think it was justified, which is what you seem to be suggesting. Might help if you consider the chronological order of events before replying

I simply don't believe you; when I relayed some of my life experiences on several comments that I made, you accused me several times of lying; but now you want your alleged experiences to be accepted as fact. Classic left wing double standards, don't do as I do, do as I say ... hilarious

Don’t think for one minute that pretending you lived and worked in the region for many years will give your comments any credence.

You mean the same ICC whose Chief prosecutor Karim Ahmad Khan is now under investigation for misconduct; the same ICC that the USA have just imposed sanctions on, accusing it of illegitimate and baseless actions. That notwithstanding, I notice that you only want the Israeli Prime Minister, war cabinet, and IDF generals put on trial, but no mention of any Hamas terrorists being put on trial; but that’s because you are an antisemite, and an apologist for Hamas, isn’t it ?

So says an apologist for terrorism. Israel withdrew completely from the Gaza strip almost 20 years ago, so they are not occupying Gaza. The only reason their soldiers are in Gaza now, is because of the most inhumane, and barbaric act of terrorism in modern history, which happened on 7 October 2023. Hamas took over the Gaza strip in 2007 from the Palestinian Authority, and the eradication of all Jews, not just in Israel, but in the entire world, is enshrined in their founding charter …. and you keep defending them; hang your head full of hate in shame; pleased however to see that one of your vile antisemitic posts was removed

Oh, and Hamas on the other hand, do want that eh ? Is that why on 7 October 2023, they invaded Israel and slaughtered, raped and burned to death 1,200 Israeli citizens, and took 250 hostage, some of which they are still holding; they did that because they want a two state solution eh ? Righto, thanks for the edification; is there no limit to the incredulity that apologists for a terrorist organisation like yourself will not stoop to (rhetorical)

It would be interesting to know what percentage, if any, Palestinians would choose to relocate to live a peaceful life and let their children have a broader education, rather than the radical indoctrination of hatred they get in Gaza. A survey would of course need to be done secretly, for their personal safety.

There wouldn't be any rubble without Hamas … fixed it for you

This is a brilliant thread; just to see all the left wing seat sniffers wetting their pants ... hilarious

Not at all difficult to find a good lawyer in Hua Hin. I have used one there for 2 property deals, and her command of English is at genuine second language level. I feel very sorry for them, but there is some negligence, particularly on his part, for not using a good English speaking lawyer, especially spending such an amount.

This is exactly what the problem is “including the courts” muslim leaders in the UK have been lobbying UK governments for a blasphemy law for many years; the purpose is obvious, it is to make any, and all criticism of Islam, Muslimness, or perceived Muslimness a criminal offence; and establishing a legal definition of Islamophobia, will do exactly that. It is an attack on the UK’s democracy and the right to free speech of its population; thankfully you don’t get to vote in the UK, because your anti-British, pro Islamic attitude is part of the problem.

This is long, long overdue; well done Mr President; the left wing seat sniffers on here won't like it though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don’t think Labour are trying to define Islamophobia, but rather redefine it to make it a criminal offence to contravene whatever their final definition is; this is being done to appease the muslim block vote, a road they have been going down for so long now that there is no turning back. Everyone should be deeply apprehensive about what final definition Labour arrive at, because they already have a policy that is fraught with jeopardy. It deploys the dangerous trope, that of “perceived” discrimination. This is based on the subjective notion that prejudice need not be proved by empirical evidence, but exists because some people believe or sense it. It is an accusation that cannot be denied because it cannot be proved or disproved; everything remains subjective, and would put the police in an even more impossible situation. It would mean that if anyone criticised Islam for the practices of child marriage, FGM, muslim rape gangs, or honour killings, they could be prosecuted if someone perceived it as discrimination, even though those practices are against UK law; we witnessed an example of this with the treatment of Telegraph journalist Allison Pearson, over a “perceived” hate incident last year. It is a very dangerous road to go down, it is a Blasphemy law by the back door, specifically to appease the UK’s muslims; but no doubt this appalling Labour government will go ahead, as they continue to marginalise white working class Brits, for the prioritisation of the muslim block vote. God help us.

So, you cannot define what Islamophobia means; which makes your comment about the most bizarre and deflective that you have ever posted. How can you possibly offer examples of a word that you cannot even define ? And I take great exception if the examples you have used are referring to me, because if they are, they are totally false and I suggest you withdraw them. I have had, as mentioned previously, years of interactions with many muslims in the UK, and I have been told first hand by predominately Pakistani male muslims, that their Sharia councils are fully aware of, and approve of such practices; as do the local Imams.

Remarkable that you deride another poster for not knowing how the “UK voting representative system works” when the UK does not even have a representative system. The UK has a First Past The Post (FPTP) system. It is a much criticised Colonial era system that has been abandoned by other countries like New Zealand and Australia. If you look at the results of the 2024 UK election you can see the flaws of the system compared to what we would get from proportional representation; the system allowed this result: Labour … 33.7% of votes cast ………. 411 Seats Cons …. 23.7% of votes cast……….. 121 Seats Reform …14.3% of votes cast ………… 5 Seats Lib Dem.. 12.2% of votes cast …………72 Seats Green …….6.8% of votes cast …………..4 Seats Only 59.9% of the eligible electorate voted, so non voters spoke loudly, and it meant that Labour in fact, only received about 20% of the eligible votes, so 80% of the eligible electorate did not vote Labour. Polls have historically proven to be very unreliable, that is a given; however, can you explain what is dodgy about the polls by YouGov and Find Out Now, or is it that you just don’t like the fact that they show a burgeoning swell of support for Reform. Reform received 4 million votes (14.3%) of votes cast at the 2024 election, and I suggest it will be a lot more next time, especially if Labour push this “Blasphemy Law” through the back door.

Instead of criticising another poster for being unable to define Islamophobia, why don’t you simply offer the definition yourself for his edification; and if you can’t define it yourself, you should not criticise others for the same alleged flaw.