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You have as much chance of repealing the laws of probability as you have of overturning the laws of thermodynamics or nullifying gravity. Have at it. It is not about you. It's about the selfish turds who won't get vaccinated and are 6 times more likely to tie up stretched hospital resources. Even politicians understand that, and they are not the sharpest tools in the drawer. Fallacies arise from invalid assumptions. I am stating fact, sorry if that inconveniences you. Please show me a credible link that demonstrates there is ANY age cohort where the PROBABILITY of a vaccinated person requiring hospitalisation is greater than someone who is unvaccinated.

Speaking of standing up, I understand you are or were a male nurse. You have colleagues worldwide who are under the pump, dealing with a pandemic, exhausted and stressed. They are that way because the majority of their patients crowding out non-Covid patients are unvaccinated idiots. Obviously, you don't feel any solidarity with the profession you have chosen.

I can understand many people don't trust the government, I don't either. Having said that, conflating sound medical advice with statements coming from politicians whose only focus is getting re-elected is dishonest and misleading. Choices have consequences. If one chooses to be unvaccinated, there are organisations who will discriminate against such people, if only to protect themselves. Can you imagine the legal liabilities an aged care facility would create for itself if it let unvaccinated staff tend to the residents? If you don't want to be threatened with a stick, what sort of carrot do you suggest governments use? What sort of message would that send to the majority of people who acted responsibly?

Let's say you have a population of 10 million people, 80% of whom are vaccinated. You have 39 hospital cases in the vaccinated part of the population, and 61 coming from the unvaccinated. If you are vaccinated, your chance of having to go to hospital is 0.00049% If you are unvaccinated, the percentage rises to 0.0031. In other words, you are 6 times more likely to be taking up a hospital bed, through your own selfish choice. Probability is not your strong point.

If I had been in Melbourne, I have no doubt I would have experienced pandemic fatigue. Here, no. I count myself very lucky to have returned to Thailand February 18, 2020, just before the excrement hit the fan. I have my Thai GF. I can play golf, swim, move around on my scooter or in my car. The supermarket shelves are full. I'm vaccinated, was infected with COVID, over in three days. Problems can also be opportunities. In the brief lockdown here ( March - June 2020 ) I educated myself on how to make videos. Since then, I've posted 35 of them on YouTube.

I agree. Unfortunately, truth is a fairly elusive attribute in these days of social media. I never cease to marvel at the arrogance of people who, with limited education, think their beliefs are more important than those of scientists who have spent years if not decades acquiring skills, knowledge and experience in their chosen field.

There is a vociferous hard core of anti-vaxxers who are against everything - fluoride, Big Pharma, vaccines - you name it. I can understand hesitancy over the mRNA vaccines, that is new technology. Having said that, I don't understand the resistance to vaccines such as Sputnik, Sinovac or Astra Zeneca. The technologies behind those vaccines have been around as long as polio vaccines. I don't advocate forcing people into taking vaccines. However, if they are disproportionally represented in COVID patients presenting at public hospitals, they should be paying the costs of their personal choice. And yes, I think smokers, alcoholics and the obese should too. BTW, polio is still endemic in Afghanistan and Pakistan - a mix of availability and culture.

I don't think station owners in the Gilgunnia area will provide enough demand to justify the expense of an EV charging station. How much fossil fuel energy goes into the manufacture of an "environmentally-friendly" EV? You think the recharging facilities are all running off solar and wind power?

Here's the first Award candidate: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-20/czech-singer-dies-after-deliberately-getting-covid/100768826

Scientists can only go on the data they have before them at a particular point in time. What worked for the alpha variant does not necessarily mean the same will work for other variants. Criticizing them for changing their position is simply ignorance of the scientific process, and the mutation of viruses. " When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" ( John Maynard Keynes )

I received a package via Australia Post and Thailand Post 10 days ago, time of travel 5 days. Most likely cause is staff shortages at the Oz end, the omicron wave is hitting all business sectors hard.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/wellbeing/2022/01/19/boosters-offer-better-protection/

Non-conspiracy theorist link, please.

I just buy the 15 baht Nescafe in the green tin, microwave for 1 minute in a cup. Call me a Philistine, if one is talking instant coffees everyone is.

"Long COVID" is sufficient for me to give the virus respect, and happily accept vaccination. Whatever it takes. I am just wondering how many anti-vaxxers have seen this photo, taken some decades ago. IMO their resistance to vaccination doesn't go that far.

When I want a term such as esophageal cancer, yes. I try to learn the more common words.

A very extensive argument against vaccination, easy to make when one is healthy. As there are records of unvaccinated COVID patients being wheeled into ICU's with breathing difficulties, and begging to be vaccinated, permit me to doubt you will be as strong-minded as you claim if the crunch comes. Tell me, have you similarly endorsed Mother Nature by eschewing polio, tetanus, typhoid and hepatitis vaccinations? I was vaccinated, had COVID, recovered in 3 days. I'm 78. I don't need some [deleted] telling me how long I should live, I have more to do.

The claim was made in respect of the delta wave in NSW. There is similar evidence from Mumbai in India. I'm not wrong, you are.

You may be right. I'm just saying omicron is less deadly than delta, and most of the reports support that.

I think you'll find in 2021, flu has basically disappeared from view. In about 2 years COVID has killed 5.5 million people, so it is more serious than flu. The other factor, which incapacitates supply chains as well as people, is "long COVID". Flu does not result in long-lasting fatigue and memory problems, two weeks and it's over. The data is saying "long Covid" is far more prevalent in the unvaccinated. It beats me why anti-vaxxers can't grasp this simple statistic. Yes, I do have flu shots yearly - twice a year in Thailand.

Analysis of NSW omicron data, 7 day average, as at January 2. I am using the most conservative vaccination rate of 80%, it would be an even greater disparity if I used 90%. If you are unvaccinated and infected with COVID, you are twice as likely to need hospitalisation, and 4 times more likely to need an ICU.

From that data 20% of the population ( unvaccinated ) is contributing 30% of the hospitalisations in NSW. Just under 50% of the ICU patients come from the same 20%. That's the omicron wave, and it's early days. The Delta variant was much worse. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=vaccination+rate+nsw+percentage Statisticians and scientists don't usually draw conclusions from a 7-day average, they want much longer time periods and bigger sample sizes. You can, evidently you know better. I'd ask you to post your scientific/medical credentials, but there's no way to fact check them. Santayana once said those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. You are on track.

It's a natural progression of viruses to mutate to less harmful variants. I'm quite hopeful COVID will become no worse than seasonal flu in a couple of years. I've been vaccinated for flu about 30 years in a row now, haven't had it since my first bout before being vaccinated. Perhaps common sense will eventually prevail with COVID too.

This data relates to the Delta variant outbreak in NSW. It contradicts the data posted by some "factcheck" site which is based 15,000 km from Sydney. https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/in-focus/covid-19-vaccination-case-surveillance-051121.pdf The way I read it, one is 16 times more likely to die of COVID if unvaccinated, and just under 6 times more likely to require hospitalisation. Math is obviously not your strong suit. If 90% of the population is vaccinated, and 6 times LESS likely to require hospitalisation, what does that say about the unvaccinated? Over to you.

Sinovac is a killed virus vaccine, the technology behind those has been around for more than 70 years. No-one reports adverse events for vaccines such as polio, typhoid etc. because their incidence is vanishingly small. Except to anti-vaxxers, who make Everest out of every pimple. It's undeniable Pfizer is producing adverse reactions in a small number of sensitive people. It's still a question of the greatest good for the greatest number.