problemfarang

37 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Yes if you have not applied for one since you last entered the country.

Before doing it wait to see if they extend the amnesty. If they do you can wait until later.

Thats my plan @ubonjoe But why nonthaburi immigration didnt do it. They said NO to 60 days too. 

So maybe can try at CW for 60 days

My wife lives in khon kaen. Maybe i can go there for 60 days and ask do we have any report from khon kaen?

This is what i dont understabd.. so where i cna do this 60 days? Nonthaburi IO said no. CW says i dont live in Bkk.. so what?

19 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It is normal that you would apply in the province where you are working and have a work permit issued there when applying for an extension based upon working.

I don't think that would apply in your case since you are applying for one based upon marriage.

So even the information desk snd the guy giving numbers said i can probably.. you say cannot. Tbh im going to believe you.. but i will still try and see... damn i had some hope ????

do you think have chance for 60 days?

Sorry mentioned wrong name.

any opinions @ubonjoe

thanks

Hi,

my multi non-o expired 5 may. I went to nonthaburi IO this morning and the answer for expansion was NO. 60 days wife visit... NO.. he told me i need to leave the country on 31 july. And added he really believes there wont be any more amnesty. 

CW is ok with expired visas. I went there the same day afternoon.

i dont know covid will change things or not but before they always ask a letter from your employer that your free to leave the country or your not working there anymore. if you dont have this letter from your company, they dont let you leave the country... 

Hi guys,

So basically my non-o multi visa expired in May.

I went to nonthabuti IO just to try my luck if i can get 1 year extension due to salary or the worst 60 days family visit visa.

I wont make it longer, they were really helpful and nice tbh. Although the answer to 1 year extension is NO. family visit 60 days extension.. NO because my visa expired. I told them about my new passport and i had to wait for it bla bla... again.. NO

he told me i need to go out of thailand get a new visa and come back again. He also told me he is sure that there wont be amnesty anymore.  He also said probably i can get a non-o again but hes not sure if i can enter thailand again soon. 

i saw some people doing their 90 day reporting no problem. And some other things. 

Again; if your visa expired NO 1 year extension NO 60 days family visit in nonthaburi IO.

My wife told me Mukdahan - Savannakhet border will be open in 15 July. Dont know to everyone or only to thais. This means if its for farangs too they will start to send people out of thailand starting from 15 and 31 will be the last day.

PS: a question here: what is my chances if i get a letter from my embassy saying please extend this guys visa for another 1 month or likewise? What would be the most suitable reason for this request? i forgot to ask this at IO.

thanks

1 hour ago, EricTh said:

 

Are you encouraging people to feed those corrupt officers and agents?
 

Were embassies in Thailand closed during COVID for six? I didn't know that.

 

Anyway, one should renew their passports around 6 months before expiry date.

Hi, this is what happened to me so maybe it will be your answer:

i was planning to get a new passport in my summer holiday. I was waiting to do this for my holiday because i was not sure how long it will take to get it and also holiday is a good time to do these things. My non-o multi was going to expire in may. so great timing. Anyway, then this covid happened and all countries went to lockdown and of course my embassy here in bangkok too. So.. as you can see no new passport. My passport valid date will expire in 8-9 months. Then amnesty.. And waiting. My embassy just opened like 2 weeks ago and i was the first one there. Now 3rd week starting and im told i can get it in this week any time. So now i can go to IO for 1 year extension.. but.. my visa expired also.. and now i dont know they will do it or not. But the worst i can get another 60 days which i will because ther wont be any more amnesty. 

I also think the map is from the main road or some well known location. Google is fine.

I will go to Nonthaburi IO tomorrow and ask them about this. will post the result tomorrow evening

1 hour ago, JackThompson said:

I thought you needed the yearly one (if employed for over a year) PLUS the 3 most recent months.  I could be mistaken - but the IO asked for both in my case, was only willing to skip the year, because I had not been working the job for a year. 

 

There is no reason at all Immigration should be asking for it because, as you said, you Have A Work Permit, and for a Non-O/family, you should only have to show your income proof for TWO months (not 3, or a year). 

 

But, at least at Chiang Wattana, this is not an exercise in finding "the truth" - as I explained above.  You didn't supply the bribe, so they hate you/your company for not playing their corruption game.  They want to make you suffer for that - go to all the agencies again - the tax-forms stamped ONLY by the tax office w/ receipts per each - the DBD (also proven by work-permit) stamped ONLY by the DBD office - etc.

 

I see you mentioned Nonthaburi - different office, different rules.  YES, go there and get the full list.  Let us know if they will write it down - could help others applying there.  If you are successful, please report what they wanted.  Maybe I will move there, if they are reasonable.

thanks for the info. I will let people know what happened tomorrow.

14 hours ago, BritTim said:

Does your company really pay your salary annually? That is highly unusual. Usually, they will pay you monthly and provide you with suitable tax documents (showing, for instance, tax withheld) each time they do so.

yes they cut from the salary something like 1500 baht + 500 baht social security + 1200 baht our common investment for the future. I can clearly see these 3 things on the salary slip every month. Also yes they provide us 1 paper and with that paper we go to tax office with someone from the company. Give that 1 paper to officer (nothing more or extra) and she does all on the computer, asking some questions like if im married or not. then she prints 91 tax form (around 3 pages) and another paper saying i paid my tax for the last year. And then we take our yellow tax small paper slip.

Also she tells us how much we will paid back. So far im always right on it but last year i had to pay extra 1200 baht.  

With that printed out 91 (theres no stamp or sign on it) our HR department go to work permit office and i get my work permit in 3 days. This why im kind of surprise why i have to go to tax office again and ask the same paper. Or how can i get some paper showing my last tax payment because im doing it every year in january like all of us. Because she will give me the same paper i can print from revenue web site. No extra stamp or else. We have user ID and password too.

Anyway i will go to nonthaburi IO tomorrow (first IO visit for 4 years now, i never did my TM30 too.) and ask If i can extend my visa for 1 year (its expired. probably no) if they say yes, then what do i need.. i will specifically show that 91 and yellow paper to them and ask if its enough or need another thing from the tax office. Actually i will take all docs with me except what they want from the company and my photos. Also i will tell them i just bought the home like 3-4 months ago and the village still not put the house numbers on. i will take photo of all houses around my street so she can see im telling the truth. Although my plan is to print out the house number make it nice looking and hang on front of the house. lol

If i cannot get 1 year, i will try 60 days which Ubon said no problem with that.

PS: i just remembered that Ubon mentioned me all i need is that 91 form printed out and the copy of that yellow slip. Cant remember which post though, sorry.

thanks

1 hour ago, JackThompson said:

Nothing from a website will work.  You have have your company get originals of everything from the source-offices.  

 

"Dept of Business Development" (I think it is) docs must include the pages with the company principles listed - from a DBD office.  You can get them from banks also - 100% valid - but Immigration don't care about "validity" - they care about punishing your employer and you - making things as hard as they possibly can, because they didn't get a thick-envelope of 1000 baht notes.

Same with the tax-docs - must be originals from the tax-office, for the last 3 months (even though the "rule" is 2 months income), stamped and with receipts.   Hope your company didn't take advantage of the covid-deferred payments, or you are out of luck.  Immigration don't respect that decision by the tax-authorities.

 

Also your contract for employment with salary, pics from the office ... everything listed by in the other fellow's post. 

thanks.

But about tax docs. My tax docs are yearly, thats the evidence of your salary also. i dont think need last 2-3 months.. i think its only yearly. So i have yearly tax and also its clearly shown in my salary slip, how much they cut from the salary

4 hours ago, JackThompson said:

Here is a successful application at CW recently - if usng income, they treat you like a Non-B, basically, though you are applying based on Thai-family.  So, you need pics at the office, DBD docs (originals only), tax-docs (originals), etc.  I wish he had applied and posted before I tried with what little was reported as needed before:

 

thanks for the info. but whats DBD? I have 2 sets of tax paper which i printed out from their website. 1 set is some numbers on it, my name and again numbers. which says 91. its like 3 pages. 2nd set is the yellow slip which says i did pay. that all 2set is DBD? and what do you mean by original? When you go to tax office they do it on the computer and give you printed out copy. only that yellow thing is looks more real. 

thanks

6 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Add company registration copies and perhaps a few other company documents.

You should be able to get the extension.

There are other things needed as well. My list of general requirements.  Marriage Extension Requirements 2.pdf

thanks a lot

@ubonjoe any opinions? thanks

Just now, laosnative said:

You can cross Savannakhet off your list of options, as Laos borders are still closed to all but a very select few....

dont know about your other options though.

yes i know but they will open borders soon i believe.. im pretty sure they are aware that many people will use land borders also. But thats why i will use my 60 day extension to play safe.

Just now, Peter Denis said:

Hi @problemfarang

No, I was reacting to your post addressing KalasinJo's situation.  That's why I inserted his name at the beginning, so that he would get a notification that he was mentioned in a post.

Re your situation > You won't have any problems when not having used your 60-day extension yet.

Thanks ???? I will also report back about nonthaburi IO about what happened in this week

2 minutes ago, nicelee808 said:

Go to Savannakhet is an option but I only need to get a temporary stamp to apply for non b internally. So literally out and back in. But it's the quarantine that I will have to do. So quarantine to go out and quarantine to get back in.

Yes i understand. Thats what i hate too. But think like this, you can tell your school that you have to do this and can teach online from hotel. Students can use the school computer like 5 student to 1 com. just bring your books and things you think you will need with you to the hotel in laos and thailand.

in this matter, i think if your coming from a safe country like thailand and laos and if you have covid free certificate.. you should be free to enter without any problem. Because you have work permit, family... and your not covid. Im sure they will do something about this.

27 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

@Kalasin Jo

The problem is that the 90-day permission to stay of his 1-year ME Non Imm O marriage Visa, already expired, and that he also already used the 60-day extension based on that Visa.

So he needs to rely on the goodwill of his local IO whether they will accept his application for the 1-year extension of stay, now that he is on the Amnesty.

Some IOs will not do that, their reasoning being that he did 'choose' for the Amnesty (and therefor accepted that he needed to leave the country once it was over) instead of applying for the extension when his permission to stay was still valid.

He should enquire at his local IO about his options.  And obviously if they do allow him to apply for the 1-year extension of stay, he would also need to meet the 2 month seasoning-requirements of his funds on a thai personal bank-account which are part of the requirements for a 1-year extension of stay application.

If everything fails and he cannot or doesn't want to leave Thailand, there is still the 'last resort' option of engaging a Fixer Agent and apply for a 1-year extension for reason of retirement (the marriage extension requires divisional approval and is hence more difficult and expensive to 'fix').

hi Peter,

im sorry im not sure but are you mentioning my situation? because if so i didnt use my 60 day extension yet. But probably i will because i dont think nonthaburi IO will accept my 1 year extension request. Well i will visit them in this week and we will see.. thanks

Hi guys, Im on non-o multi and its expired (last 90 day entry expired too) not did 60 days family extension and have work permit too. Also my passport valid date will finish in 9 months. Applied for a new passport all ok just waiting for it to arrive to my embassy, which should be in this week.. max wednesday. My wife is coming to nonthaburi for a meeting (yes we cannot live together because of her (she is a high rank government officer, and my job. But of course we are together and notings fake). And go back to khon kaen on sunday. I have some insurance from my company just for covid19 i also have government social security thing which i pay every month and can be seen from my salary slip. But my account department told they dont have that white paper anymore and if i need to use it hospital can check my passport number and can see it. So the paper one i have is already expired. So while shes here i really want to try few things:

1st: will try to apply 1 year non-o extension due to salary. Its probably a no but will try (visa expired). I heard from 2 people on this form that they did even though their visa expired. Can any one write me what do i need to take with me to the IO for non-o extension base on salary? Also please check my list:

- 1 year tax papers. 3 or 4 pages total. 3 pages of something numbers on it (91) and 1 page the yellow slip saying i paid

- Marriage certificates

- Work permit (will expire in september but will be renewed)

- Last month salary slip

- Wife with me & her ID & house book

- anything else?

thanks

2nd: If i cannot make it 1 year, im planning to use my 60 days extension for family visit (i think thats what its called) because i can do this even though my visa expired. Again what docs do i need? please check my list:

- Marriage certificates

- Wife with me & her ID & house book

- anything else?

3rd: If all cannot... there is no way but to go to Savannakhet. Now for Savannakhet things are different as we know. For non-o multi we need 

- Marriage certificates

- Wife ID & house book

But now i think we are going to need few extra things such as covid clear certificate from a hospital not more than 72 hours. Also covid insurance about 100K dollars. How much will it cost me to do that insurance in thailand? and where can i do this? Questions starts here:

- My government insurance is covering this 100K or not? Because im working in thailand with work permit

- not sure if the insurance done from my company for covid19 enough or not. Its not that useless insurance company thing

- do i need another covid free certificate from a laos hospital? How many days does it take back the results? i think few hours?

- when i go to laos, they will put me under 14 days or not, because i have certificate saying im not covid. Same for thailand side another 14 days? I have a home, cant i do self quarantine? 

I mean i was staying in thailand for the last 14 years no covid.. im going to laos a covid free country for 2 days and coming back to thailand again plus i have covid free certificate...

I think this is what will happen:

Nonthaburi IO will say no to my 1 year extension but yes to 60 days. So i will do that because i really dont think amnesty will be another month. and next week is the best time to do so. After 60 days i really think things will be better.. Go to savannakhet do the non-o come back and do 1 year extension...

PS: theres another option. I can go to khon kaen and try there for 1 year extension. I heard they are more helpful about this. But im not staying there any more

well.. thanks for any help or suggestions.. 

I was in your shoes once. About non-o and non-b. The reason why you cannot change it to non-b is because your entry is not for working but family matters. You can work with non-o but they think you will extend it or likewise. I know its funny. but... amazing thailand. 

The best thing you can do is.. wait for the end of july, go to Savanakhet and get another non-o. Not non-b. why? it happened to many of my friends. Most likely school will not keep you long time. I mean 1 or 2 years. After that you have to leave the country in 24 hours if you have non-b but if you have non-o you dont need to leave the country and look for another job. Also when you leave to get a new visa at savanakhet, they wont give you another TR visa. it happened to one of my friends at my company.

good luck

11 hours ago, Kalasin Jo said:

Yes. My Savanakhet non O multi by marriage expired a few days after entry. At entry I got 90 days. I then got 60 day extension before that expired as I could see that border closures were imminent and certainly didn't want to get stuck in Laos so I didn't head over to Savanakhet. 

 

Not much later along came the "amnesty" and I cursed that I'd used the 60 day extension. That expired 9 June. 

I actually intended to leave Thailand on 1 May with my wife and head to France, where I have a home and am actually resident. I only spend around 6 months a year here usually in 2 90 day slots.  So also intended to pop over to Savanakhet for a fresh non O multi for the year.

We still want to get to France  and for me asap now, but I felt that getting a 1 year extension plus a re entry permit before leaving would secure the next 12 months, subject we now know to the currently stringent Thai Covid entry conditions...for both of us! When I leave I won't be coming back on those conditions so I guess I won't be coming back for some time even though my wife may have to after 90 days unless we get her a French longer term residency permit.

 

So obviously I didn't get to Savanakhet nor did I leave as our flights were cancelled. I thought I was covered by the " amnesty" or whatever it technically is and that surely things would be easier by its end. Now, obviously not. Now also my wife needs a new visa for France which is in hand, appointment next week.

 

I went in to Kalasin IO on 8 June to clarify what's needed by them to add on a 1 year marriage permission. Plus a further visit when they talked about 1 year bank statement plus proof of source. It's now been a further month on getting that together. 

 

So @Tanoshi you think I've wasted my  ( considerabl amount now) time on this and if I visit the IO on Monday I should ask for an in country issued non O as if since 10 June I've been here visa exempt by way of the "amnesty"?

 

What's needed for that?

 

And if they play ball on that then apply for a 1 year marriage extension before the 90 days is up with either adequate proof of 40k a month for 2 months or 400k in the bank for 2 months.

 

Well I can't whisk up 400k until next year, so would be income, no problem as long as they accept the letter I have about it's source and and which do now show as foreign transfers.

 

But I do not want to be here for another 3 months, actually at least 4 months allowing for the under consideration period for the extension. I need to get back to France where things need some attention after  6 months away! And in 5 may be 6 months would be considering return to Thailand in the normal course ie next year. Well who knows where things will be by then these days.

 

So my question still remains, after that long commentary: is it worth going in to the Kalasin IO ith what I now have and formally applying for a 1 year extension by marriage, income based, or should I pull the plug on that and just leave as soon as we can get a flight out ( once my wife has her new visa  which I am confident she will after emails from the French Embassy).

 

I must say I'm not confident of success with Kalasin IO but I have a tendency once I've invested time and effort either to be a dog with a bone....or for flogging dead horses ( take your pick!).

 

Any further thoughts?

 

 

 

i think it worth so much to do 1 year extension. Many reasons, but i will write 2 best: do you really think its good idea to go to europe these days? And if the IO said you can extend it, just do it. you have nothing to lose but many plus. 

I will try this week based on salary too, but probably cannot because my visa expired and i dont think nonthaburi IO is ok with that. So you are lucky, go for it. I dont even know why you are thinking about it. lol

49 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

1 - Yes, if you relocate from Nonthaburi to Khon Kaen province, you will then report to IO Khon Kaen.  This might be useful if Nonthaburi refuses your application, when you learned on the Forum that it will be accepted in Khon Kaen.

Don't know about the house-check, but thought that was only applicable during the under consideration period when applying for the 1-year extension of stay for reason of marriage.  And depending on the IO it seems this is very seldom, occasionally or always done, announced or unannounced.

 

2 - The two cases mentioned in earlier posts (the one at Phayao and the one in Roi Et) did exactly that.  First applying for the 60-days extension of stay for family reasons, and at the end of those 60 days applying for the 1-year extension of stay from that valid non-Amnesty based permission to stay. 

But I would suggest you enquire at your Nonthaburi IO whether they will accept an application for a 1-year extension of stay of your Non Imm O (or O-A) Visa when the permission to stay date has already expired during the Amnesty.  If yes, problem solved.  If no, enquire whether applying after having first done a 30-day or 60-day extension, would be accepted. If yes, problem solved.  If no, consider temporary relocation to apply at a more lenient IO.

thanks. i will check with nothaburi IO coming week, waiting for my new passport

2 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

Many thanks!

Crystal clear case of how it will pan out when applying at the IO in Roy Et for a 1-year Non Imm O Visa or a 1-year extension of stay when your permission to stay already expired..

The answer is NOPE, but there is an escape route if you didn't already use up your 30- or 60-day extension of stay application.

At least there is CLARITY about their stance, which will allow those that need to apply at Roi Et and will be refused because of no alternative extension escape road, to prepare for their next move.

A possible solution could be a temporary relocation to a province where the IO will accept their application for the 1-year extension of stay even when their permission to stay already expired during the Amnesty.

 

dont they send someone from IO to check your house? and the time they send this officer is not known if im not mistaken, can be in 3 days can be in 3 months? i asked because im working in nonthaburi and my home is here. my non-o is expired.. so if nonthaburi IO says no i can go khon kaen to my wife house and try in khon kaen

Also if i get 60 days extension.. it counts a valid visa.. can i try 1 year extension then?

thanks

On 7/7/2020 at 12:44 PM, nera123 said:

Hmm, maybe we do not speak about the same blue card !?

You mean the security social card?.. what is blue too!!

All depending on the amount contributed, as we working seasonal, we do not pay all years round and and the contributions will return in October only, the amounts contributed will never be high enough to cover the conditions, but I will still ask ...Thank you

 

Hi there are some really useless insurance companies. and funny coincidence they are almost all blue color. Technically and officially government insurance should be enough. But this is thailand and no one knows whats coming in 2 weeks. And yes, the the amount of your covid insurance is important. 100K in this case. Im pretty sure government's insurance is not enough for this but better found out. And let us know too please. thanks