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I've often wondered about that. When you apply for a Tourist Visa in UK, there's a requirement to give "travel booking confirmation" but that can obviously be falsified. So, unless someone is checking things like IP addresses how does the Embassy know you're actually IN the UK just because you say you are? Also, when I fly to Thailand from UK, I go via another country eg Dubai or Abu Dhabi so i don't actually arrive on a UK flight. I'm NOT suggesting anyone breaks the rules, just wondering how this particular rule can be enforced.

If truth be known, they're probably amongst the group of people the police want to get rid of! From what I've seen they're either harassing the girls with their "Cheap Charlie" offers, or making false claims to have been robbed by ladyboys! Quite frankly anyone who is stupid enough to: a) wear valuable jewellery at night in a party town or b) get so drunk and incapable that they fall prey to opportunistic thieves deserves what they get...or rather what they lose. it's not the "ladies of the night" who are the problem!

Just adding my recent experiences in case they're relevant: February 2023 flew London Gatwick - Dubai - SUV on Emirates. A VERY few people in LGW were wearing masks; similar at DXB. A few more were wearing them at SUV. Nowhere along the route were masks REQUIRED - left up to people's choice. April 2023 returned on the same route - very similar observations. Slightly but the ONLY place I've been REQUIRED to wear a mask this year has been SCB at Pattaya Klang.

Apparently the acts are a load of b0ll0cks ????

That one's nearly as old as...............................................me! ????????

I don't know but probably. If there were more guns available in UK we would probably have an equivalent rise in gun crime. I use the word "probably" because I don't have statistics but just my reasoning.

When at school, I got the cane for being a naughty boy - NOT for causing harm to others, by the way but for stupid disobedience. It got my attention and it hurt at the time, but it did me no lasting harm and I certainly would NOT call it torture! But your very question leads me to believe that you might be a "Woke" sort of person in which case you no doubt disagree with corporal punishment of any sort. Sadly, that is the only punishment which some thugs understand.

Yeah but I don't think that was the posters intention

Listen to the first minute or 2 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FuCHXL26rw

Careful...you'll get accused of being a "boomer"....like me! (I agree with you, by the way) (Sorry Richard....but it had to be said) ????

Trawl back up this thread and read the discussion between me and@richard_smith237We have similar but also different ideas on the "cause and effect"...sort of "same, same but different" ????

Their hands are tied! They arrest where they can, are not allowed to use "excessive force" even when being attacked, spat at and generally abused! Then, when the thugs get to court, the court does damn all....see my comments above about my Jury Service See this video - start at about 15 minutes in.

Well the FREQUENCY of youthful misbehaviour does seem to increase, but I admit the UK had the "Teds" in the 50s, the Mods & Rockers in the 60s etc. Perhaps, as you say social media makes us more aware, but my and your anecdotal evidence does seem to be borne out by fact. More to the point the "Woke & PC" lot are preventing punishment, and thus disincentive to occur. As an example, i was on Jury Service some years ago - we found a youth guilty of carrying a knife (amongst other offences), then it turned out he was already out "on licence" (ie parole) for THE SAME OFFENCE!!! We having found him guilty, the judge sentenced him to (just) 6 months....then lessened it to 3 months if he completed some course in prison!! Now, what message does that send out?

Yeah - my bad - fingers faster than the speed of brain....again! ???????? No offence taken... I agree about the visibility aspect and certainly agree about the utter ’tw_ttery’ BUT afraid i have to stand by my earlier comments about lack of discipline. When younger, if i was approached by a policeman, I would be respectful to him and allow myself to be ticked off for being "a bit silly". Never would I have argued and even less would i have attempted to be violent! I think we largely agree on the big picture but "the devil is in the detail"

i did correct my reply (kindly re-read my original) - I meant to reply to a different post - apologies

Sadly for some of my countrymen...yes. There are a few who seem to want to cause trouble wherever they go....my earlier comments about lack of discipline and "PC" etc may explain, though NOT excuse them.

So, curiously, despite the fact that you took a shot at me for being a "boomer", we're now agreeing?? Oh well, it's nice to be agreeable ????

Posted in wrong place - (replied to wrong poster) sorry

I agree with that so perhaps the Thai penalty for such behaviour is also too lenient? Or is there an element of local bias or corruption to be considered?

Laughable. The Kray thugs were far from "peacefully" - they ran PARTS of London (mainly the East End) with a reign of fear, as did the Richardsons in another part of London. (south of the Thames) As for "in Manchester etc" that is precisely my point. The authorities in Manchester or wherever SHOULD have the power to deal with such thugs firmly, INCLUDING imprisonment and / or causing physical discomfort to them. That's the point...these thugs grew up in UK being allowed to get away with anti-social behaviour, therefore when they travel, they carry their attitudes with them.

So you agree he was a thug, but disagree with my comments about discipline? Mixed messages Mr Smith?

THAT is where I disagree with you. My "mischief" in my younger days never involved violence or causing permanent harm to others. Nor did I fail to show respect to authorities if approached. There are some very polite and well-behaved younger people about, but society in the form of the "PC and Woke" crowd seems to not want to PUNISH those who transgress. Hence my earlier comment about lack of discipline. What you term as my bias is simply that I'd prefer to live without fear and know that if anyone harmed me, THEY would be the ones to suffer. That seems fair to me.

YES...several times and I stand by it.!!!! A bunch of thugs fighting in public deserve what they get!!! As as for being a "boomer" yes i am but are you suggesting that I should be ashamed of it? At least my age group had, as i said earlier, some direction.

I agree. There's little discipline in Britain today, yet little pranks (not violent attacks like this one) are regarded as serious offences, yet this sort of violent attack brings out the "PC" and "Woke" idiots who want to let these thugs off with excuses like "came from a broken home" or "father abused him" or some such nonsense. Speaking as an old fart (!) I'm glad NOT to be young here anymore. At least when i was young there were CLEAR guidelines set out by my parents and teachers so I grew up knowing right from wrong. Having said that, I'm NOT excusing their behaviour and think the Thai authorities should deal with them severely. If that involves imprisonment and / or pain, so be it!

I thought the same. UJ gave me lots of help with visa extensions both on the forum and in PMs. My condolences to his family and friends.