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I don't blame the airlines for selling tickets as a) they want to have passengers on board as soon as flights resume, and b) it brings them in some cash to pay out to those they cancelled last month.

For anyone buying these tickets they should know it's a gamble as to whether the flight will operate or not, and they could be out of pocket for longer than they think, despite legal requirements for refunds in many places.

The requirements are on the website in Thai, but no, a residence (do you mean a house/apartment/condo?) would not qualify.

http://hsscovid.com/

A system called Confirmation of Payee or something like that has recently been rolled out as an anti fraud measure, to prevent you paying money to a con artist.  Not all banks are part of it and neither is Transferwise by the sound of it.  Google it for more info, but I would be happy to go ahead and it seems like you've been OK.

5 hours ago, Moonlover said:

I am curious to know how your transfers from NBS via T/W only take seconds.

 

I've been using this method for well over a year now and it usually takes around 4 hours.

The reason selected for the transfer, and perhaps the receiving bank, can affect the overall process time.  eg if the reason is for extended stay/visa purposes (whatever the wording is) and the recipient is Bangkok Bank, it'll arrive on or about 2:00pm if made before ~9:30am due to it being forced through Bangkok Bank as a Transferwise partner, and their system for transfers from their main branch to sub branches.  Lots of other permutations exist and some seem to be almost instantaneous.

Three mouse clicks from the Etihad website home page would have found this:

https://www.etihad.com/en-th/travel-updates/all-destinations-travel-guides#multi-step-form-wrapper

On 8/26/2020 at 9:32 PM, taxin said:

This is why the ASQ in BKK and what they plan to do Phuket are completely different, they are simply using a deserted island in the south to test the water, as it’s a much safer and less risky option than doing it in BKK.

You're assuming some similar reasoning on behalf of whoever is organising this.  A rash assumption I fear.

42 minutes ago, audaciousnomad said:

Or...just trying to sell inbound tickets . . . .

I tend to agree, but they only stopped selling September tickets a couple of weeks ago, so it seems a bit odd.

6 minutes ago, Daithi85 said:

Alot of people have not lived in there home country for years,why should they have to go back?

If they've failed to correctly legitimise their stay elsewhere then they've only themself to blame.

6 minutes ago, taxin said:

ASQ in Bangkok you cannot leave your room, in Phuket they are talking about allowing the visitor to roam around within 1km, so how can they be identical ? What they are proposing in Phuket is not quarantine, it’s testing and observation.

The current requirements and hotel/hospital brochures are exactly the same as for ASQ.  Whether it happens in practice is another matter, but for anyone making plans that is what they should work from IMO.

8 minutes ago, eastcst84 said:

Yes,

 

This is the form I was referring too. It was somewhat associated with that app mentioned in the title. Was hoping some person who made it into Thailand recently could confirm.

Try looking for one of the threads from someone on a recent repatriation flight and PM them.

The OP is talking about the T8 form, not the TM6 or TM8.  This is a Covid era form, but I'm not sure if it's still required or not.  Here's a copy of one I saved a while back but I don't even know if it's still the same or has been updated since then.

21 hours ago, FlyingThai said:

What's odd in my eyes is that the Frankfurt flights leaves on September 30th, 4 days after the Amnesty is supposed to end.

Their existence is for the purpose of repatriating Thais on the return so amnesty dates don't come into it.  Even if they did, there are still people here not relying on the amnesty who might be thinking of going home that could use them.

9 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Air France has tag flights through BKK, one goes on to HKG, returns the same way.

 

I've seen other AF tags, I think.

 

KLM has tags through BKK to both MNL and KUL (alternates)

 

AFAIK these flights are not being used for Thai repat flights, and no passengers can get off (phrasing) at BKK.

Also Emirates who have just restored their EK384/5 DXB-BKK-HKG-BKK-DXB, but I don't know whether passengers can or can't use it.

Just submitted my first ever online report and status shows as pending.

1)  Do Jomtien send out emails when approved?

2)  How long have others experienced it takes to go from pending to approved (or whatever comes next) when submitted to Jomtien?

22 hours ago, taxin said:

Thanks. Can you provide a link to any reputable source that confirms this ?

With the current list of hotels I can't see it happening as an A320 or Boeing 737 flight once a fortnight would fill all the quarantine spaces.  All these other airlines are selling flights in anticipation that quarantine  is removed.  If it isn't these flights will be cancelled in due course.

More hotel/hospital partnerships may join in and the procedure for doing so is outlined here with listings of current partners in State Quarantine, Alternative State Quarantine and now Alternative Local Quarantine.

http://hsscovid.com/

7 minutes ago, taxin said:

Ok, on what grounds do you expect this ? I did not see anything in the announcement stating the visitor may only stay in certain approved hotels ?

 

So my question again, can a returning long term expat quarantine in a house that he/his wife owns ? Can a repeat long term tourist choose to stay in his favourite hotel 5 mins walk from Bangla road ?

 

I can see this being the biggest hurdle to overcome for anyone wishing to visit, and not the flights, testing etc.

It is quarantine organised by the government, not by yourself, and not self isolation.  The hotel list is on the quarantine site under local state quarantine.

www.hsscovid.com.

4 minutes ago, Oxx said:

The "news article" is simply trivial journalism, not based upon a rigorous analysis of the costs.

Tell that to the business owners shown in it.  Do  you think they made up stories to satisfy their national broadcaster's taste for trivia?  Please!

5 minutes ago, Oxx said:

In the supermarket cash back scheme, the supermarket has to pay a fee for the debit transaction.  However, this is less than the costs of handling the equivalent amount of cash.  (If this weren't the case, the supermarket would be losing out by offering cash back, and they wouldn't do that.)  So, it does follow that cash is more expensive than card.

They know that both types of transaction will be made and will cost them something, so the best they can do is minimise these costs and cashback is one way of doing it.  When the card charges have a fixed element per transaction then your logic is flawed.

5 hours ago, Oxx said:

And yet British supermarkets are very keen on cash back at the till since it reduces their cash handling costs.  Undoubtedly they've done the sums and concluded that cash works out more expensive than card.

Reducing cash handling/banking costs by offering cashback makes sense as long as some people still use cash.  It doesn't follow that cash is more expensive than card as the examples in the news article show.

9 minutes ago, Tony Doc said:

My flight with FIN AIR for 28th September was cancelled last week. They also said that all flights for August and September had been cancelled. I applied for a refund and was informed that this could take at least 8 weeks! Finding a way to cancel the booking and request a refund was not easy - you need to find a page on the website with a blue Chat link. 

Was that a flight to Bangkok or from Bangkok?

1 hour ago, Keyser Soze666 said:

How can they sell you an economy seat and then tell you you haven't got one? Must be some law/rule against this even in these utterly bizarre times?

Airlines have always done this (overselling) as there were inevitably no-shows and this allowed them to maximise seat occupancy.  Historically though, it did not result in forcing you to pay for a Business Class ticket so I expect there's more to this story.

5 minutes ago, Shey420 said:

Once most people realize what this will actually cost them they will pass. I have never been to phuket or resorts there but I'm sure 6000 euros for 15 quarantine is a bit much. The cost and restrictions definitely out way the benefits. 

If the scheme goes ahead and is going to be effective it'll certainly need more places to sign up at a range of price points.

Continue to use cash as otherwise the costs of processing these payments will cripple small businesses or get passed on to the consumer, as described in this recent article.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-53444700

1 hour ago, taxin said:

Will the visitor be able to choose their hotel to quarantine, or will it be only certain hotels they can stay ?

I expect you'll be able to choose from the list which currently is woefully small.

Both Etihad and Emirates (if they're flying) require Covid tests.

3 hours ago, jaffas21 said:

So is it a safe bet to book with these airlines at the end of the next month and are they generally leaving the airport as advertised? Does anyone know? Id expect these flights to get busier as we approach end of september.

Take the flight numbers from skyscanner and enter them into flightradar24 or similar and you'll see their recent history.  It doesn't tell you if they've been carrying passengers or not, but I've read reports from all the ones you mention except Etihad that confirm they are.  I'm sure Etihad are too just I've not read any reports.  Here's QR837 showing it's daily record from BKK to Doha.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/qr837