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Thanks for the "proof". Is that the best you can do? Your suspicions? Convenient that, since it can't be checked by facts. Like for instance the fact that recent studies show those who were infected by covid and then vaccinated actually had the highest levels of antibodies. I guess your alleged "silent majority" doesn't believe that,either?

Convincing. An anonymous doctor makes an assertion. Was that doctor a qualified epidemiologist or virologist? Once again, you're cherry picking. What's the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community? Recent actual scientific studies show that those who were symptomatically infected with covid and then inoculated with vaccine actually had the highest levels of antibodies of all groups. But what is actual scientific evidence worth compared to the testimony of some random doctor on TV?

What do you mean by "scientific base" These are reports from govt health officials. Are you claiming that these authorities are lying? Alleging Fake News. The last resort of the true believer..

I And clearly free not to. Apparently Saanim was otherwise engaged.

But without pointing out that they constitute a tiny minority is misleading.

Your assertion takes no account of excess mortality. Thailand hasn't exactly been forthcoming with that figure. And then there's this article in thaivisa.com As the following link shows, Thailand will have about 39% fully vaccinated by Nov 1. As the experience of every other nation shows, this is not nearly high enough to stop the rise of covid cases. https://covid19.healthdata.org/thailand?view=vaccinations&tab=trend

Clearly such people get this stuff from resources devoted to debunking covid vaccination. These people often classify themselves as independent thinkers, people who refer to do their own research, etc. As though they actually had the scientific knowledge to study this stuff. Almost always, they are politically very right wing.

Well, those who are vaccinated with 1 inoculation are listed as such. But you're right, obviously eole in that grou will be far more likely to come down with symptoms. As will, on average, those who are vaccinated twice but still in the latency period.

First off, if I'm the one being defensive, how come it's you making personal comments? I've only gone after your evidence, or rather lack of it. Not your state of mind, Stick to the facts and not your surmises about things you can't prove. And what did you prove? You offered a link to the government website but no evidence from from that website. A link is not evidence. Once again, you apparently haven't even looked at the sources you've linked to. How about Johns Hokins University as a source? As you remarked"The CDC has a tremendous amount of reliable and up to date information about Covid, as does Johns Hopkins University." As I pointed out, if you had actually bothered to look at the data from that govt site that you linked to you would have seen that several states are consistently over the critical 85% level in ICU utilization. And, of course, your claim that care rationing (triage) is standard is of course nonsense. And you're seriously contending that all these republican governors were lying about the situation in their hospitals? About rationing? That they were making the situation seem worse than it actually was? You have anything to disprove those reports? The government websites you referred to have no relevance to that issue at all. It's obvious you've got nothing.

How can you get perspective on the situation when crucial evidence is omitted?. To get perspective you need to be examining 1 set of data in light of another. It is to laugh.

Ya beat me to it. Fie on you.

No, he means "1/10 of 1%". Which is the same thing as 1/1000.

You should share your good news with Allan West Allen West, Unvaccinated Texas Governor Candidate, Takes Ivermectin After Wife Gets COVID "Allen West, the former GOP congressman and chairman of the Texas Republican Party who is challenging Governor Greg Abbott in the Texas gubernatorial race, is taking Ivermectin after his wife tested positive for COVID-19. According to a thread on his Twitter account Saturday, West is experiencing "a low grade fever and light body aches." He has canceled in-person events out of concern for public safety "until receiving an all-clear indication." https://www.newsweek.com/allen-west-unvaccinated-texas-governor-candidate-takes-ivermectin-after-wife-gets-covid-1637310 Texas gubernatorial candidate Allen West says he has coronavirus-related pneumonia Texas Republican gubernatorial candidate Allen West announced Saturday night that he has pneumonia related to a COVID-19 infection. The former Florida representative and lieutenant colonel announced on Twitter that there was "concern" about his oxygen saturation levels, which are at 89 percent. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/576095-texas-gubernatorial-candidate-allen-west-says-he-has-coronavirus-related

Even though your comment is irrelevant I decided to check it out. Here are Media Bias Fact Check's respective evaluations of MSN and The Washington Examiner Overall, we rate MSN News strongly Left-Center biased, with most stories coming from Left-Center sources. We also rate them High for factual reporting because the majority of sources used are credible media outlets.https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/msn-com/ Overall, we rate the Washington Examiner Right Biased based on editorial positions that almost exclusively favor the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to several failed fact checks.https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/

It's clear that i84teen comes from the Pavlovian school of critical thinking. Show him a trigger word or phrase and you'll get the same response regardless of its context.

"Millions of men" may sound impressive but how many millions of men do not? How many millions of women take aspirin? What about the greater susceptibility of men to covid ? What about the fact that aspirin is recommended for women, too, though not to the same degree? Without this information your earlier claim that "A reduction in serious illness, hospitalizations and deaths in the tens of percent would show up as men suffering COVID significantly less than women. The data on illness, hospitalizations and deaths does not show this." kind of falls apart.

It may be censored but it certainly deserves to be mocked.

True only if you count certain regions of the world. But the planet as a whole did not have a warmer period 1000 year ago. ‘Medieval Warm Period’ Wasn’t Global or Even All That Warm, Study Says Historical data from Greenland’s glaciers helps debunk another favored theory of climate denialists. The tenth to thirteenth centuries, when temperatures in Europe were unusually warm, was also a time of relative cold in the western North Atlantic, according to a study published Friday in the journal Science Advances. The findings further undermine the notion of a global Medieval Warm Period that climate change denialists often hold up to support the false idea that today’s global warming is a result of natural, non-manmade causes. https://insideclimatenews.org/news/04122015/medieval/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwnoqLBhD4ARIsAL5JedISAdwqBIj7Ml_GdYGnyiI2dzeYJmiBjjQ32HBRkG-cDjZPrz6B-NsaAmeZEALw_wcB

Which effectiveness would that be? From the article: "The study echoes findings published by Pfizer and Kaiser Permanente in Lancet earlier in the week, showing the vaccine’s effectiveness drops from 88 to 47 percent after six months. This study also proved the vaccine 90% effective for at least six months at preventing hospitalization of infected people." https://www.israel21c.org/israeli-study-pfizer-vaccine-wears-off-after-6-months/

What we do know is that some viruses actually do cause illnesses or deaths years after an infection. That has never been the case with a vaccine So where would a rational person construe from that?

I read that dubious article you linked to. The AP got it right. But even if not, the fact is, that networks like Fox news repeatedly and unapologetically offer false information. Everyone occasionally gets something wrong. But without taking into account frequency, posts like yours amount only to cherry-picking

Cherry picking much?

What are you on about "You don't know what I was vaccinated for". Who cares what you were vaccinated for. This discussion is about covid not measles, or varicella or mumps What doctor will tell you that care is routinely rationed? Stop making things up If that were the case, why have several governors issued declarations allowing hospitals to ration care? . Medical facilities are rationing treatment (triage) in states where Covid rates are highest. Once Again Some States are Choosing Who Gets Covid-19 Care https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/states-ration-disability-covid-care/ I did enjoy that comment of yours that I wouldn't bother to read your link especially in light of the fact that you clearly didn't read your own link to stats for world diseases and I clearly did. Remember ? You invoked statistics for 2019 as evidence to address a situation in 2020? And now you're doing it again. Yes the US Dept of health does publish a running average of hospital utilization. And even now it shows Alabama and other states as using over 85% of their ICU beds despite that fact that covid cases are on their way down in that state. Any prolonged level over 85% is not a good thing. COVID-19: What it means for a hospital ICU to be at capacity Capacity refers to the percent of ICU beds currently occupied. Generally, an ICU is considered functionally full when it reaches 85 percent capacity. Right now, many ICUs in the state are running at over 90 percent full, and based on what we know about positive test rates, they’re about to get busier. https://intermountainhealthcare.org/blogs/topics/covid-19/2020/11/covid-19-what-it-means-for-a-hospital-icu-to-be-at-capacity/ Do you follow the news at all? COVID-19 patients end up in other states — at great expense — as Idaho hospitals fill up https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article254873817.html#storylink=cpy Alabama out of ICU beds, Huntsville Hospital ICU over capacity https://whnt.com/news/coronavirus/alabama-out-of-icu-beds-huntsville-hospital-icu-over-capcity/ Alaska allows hospitals to ration care amid COVID spike https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-business-alaska-health-1500db35e56b688e9cf3e0eea1d2a114 Covid Hospitalizations Hit Crisis Levels in Southern I.C.U.s https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/09/14/us/covid-hospital-icu-south.html

Not really. Just because aspirin may be used more by men than women by itself isn't dispositive. What percentage of middle-aged men actually take baby aspirin daily? In addition you are assuming that men and women are equally afflicted by covid. But in fact statistics show that men are more vulnerable. Maybe the disparity would be even greater were this cohort of men not taking aspirin.

Nonsense. You cited those numbers to prove that covid wasn't one of the top 10 causes of death. Do you understand that the Covid pandemic was barely underway in 2019?