TroubleandGrumpy

Thailand does not tax inheritences valued under 100 Million Baht (about 2.2 million pounds) 😁

Mike you are no longer a Mod - but could you take this up with the Mods. There is no thread on the Australian forum that covers this new income taxes on remitted money for Aussies. The OAP thread is only about the Pension - not about this new tax regime. If you/they (Mods) could start a new thread and make it linked/sticky on the front page - and then move into that thread our posts made here that would be great.

That is too much to break down mate - beyond the replies I already gave - sorry mate. If you were to buy me lunch/drink one day we could talk for a few hours - I did what youy are thinking about doing - but I have a lot of questions - like are you in Thailand now -= are you married - what sort of Visa bla bla bla. Those and many more will make a difference about what to do. The problem you have is that there are not many 'financial advisers' that will look at your situation and give a genuine independent advice on what to do. Because they have 'preferred investments' and they dont know Pension issues and they dont know Thai tax rules and they dont know a lot about Expat issues and a lot more. I took almost a year planning and research to do what I did - and even then I made a few mistakes - but I got the 'big stuff' right. I have seen several advices claiming that the Aust Pension is both taxable and non-taxable in Thailand. My read of the DTA is that it could be intereted either way - but the clauses and sections I have read lead me to decide it is not taxable for me. That is based on many things - including that I am still a tax resident in Australia and Australia is still my main 'place' (finances, family, friends, super, pay taxes, citizen, legal status, etc etc etc). The DTAs were written for companies - not individuals - and a company in Thailand can pay taxes in Aust on money earned in Aust (just like I do). This is the facts and only facts - everything else is specuilation and opinion. If you make/earn money in Thailand, you pay taxes in Thailand. If you take Thai money overseas and invest it, you can no longer bring back that money and earnings made from that money tax free if 'seasoned' for over 12 months.

I have been trying to get that since October last year - there is no such thing. At best I got a letter from my Super Fund stating that my earnings are taxed at 15% - but they cannot state exactly how much tax was paid because it is all lumped together. ATO have given me nothing except the official words/statement about how Super Funds are taxed. Imaghine if 20 million people decided they wanted to know that information - it would cost a fortune for everyone to put things in place - aint goinna happen - Super is about saving money for retirement. Plus even if I/you could get something - which they will not do it for January to December - the tax year in Aust is July to June. That fact alone screws up a lot of any chance to comply with any TRD demand to prove tax paid under a DTA from Jan to Dec last year and do it before 31 March. As I said - IMO Expats should stay away from TRD for the first few years - plead ignorance if questioned. I am hopeful that at some point the Thai Govt will do what bopth the Philippines and Malaysian Govts have done and state that they have no intention of taxing retired Expats who are bringing money into the country - it is not as if they have taken money out and are then bringing it back in tax free - it is all 'new' money. If you (anyone) are earning heaps of income overseas and you (anyone) would owe heaps of income taxes in 3-5 years, I suggest you/they have a Plan B that includes an emergency departure - in case the Thai Govt does not state they will not tax retired Expats and you get a letter from TRD in 3-5 years.

I am not talking about contributions to Super - that is not income which can be taxed in Thailand. The earnings you make (annual growth) in your Super Fnd in 'contributions phase' is taxed at 15% by the Super Fund and paid direct to ATO on a fundwide basis. When you (anyone) get to 60+ you can change the Fund to 'retirement phase' which means the earnings made by your money is not taxed at 15%. But the downside to that is that the money you receive in that hpase is counted by CLink as Income - Gotcha - so be careful doing that. Obviously that applies to those reciving Super and the Pension (like me). And once you are 75 the money in Super is automatically 'converted' to retirement phase (yet another rip-off change made).

Mate - I am sure that advice below is OK in some circumstances. But it sounds to me like that is not the case here. If it is that bad, she will respond to you telling her by delaying, crying, begging, etc etc - and then if you stay then she and the family will get whatever they can get. If it is that bad and the decision is made by you to get a divorce - then you should go see a lawyer and start the proceedings. He will probably tell you to move out ASAP and take everything you want to keep with you - and not tell anyone where you have gone - no one. Doing that takes planning and smarts - get advice. If you want a lawyer who is an Expat send me a PM.

I will only go Win12 if there is an advantage over Win10 for me - and only for the 'safe' laptop. I hear you about malware - but I would start from Bios and blow away the laptop and reinstall from backed up files on ext HDD. I knew a guy that had a separate HDD already setup and he could just install that - that is just a little too far I reckon. The above never happened to him or I.

Thanks Lacessit - I am after lightweight graphites. I have senior flex Ping shafts now - but as with all Pings (I am told) they are at the stiffer/player end of the spectrum. The 3 wood shaft weighs 65 grams and there is very little flex - I would like about 50-55 with more flex. Will keep that in mind about Matrix Ozik - cheers.

Judging by the numpties who are in management positions in the UK police, I would say it has been several decades since the 'best and brightest' became Policemen. I remember seeing a story decades ago talking about how the polcie were retiring in record numbers as their 'power' and pay was constantly being reduced - nothing was done about it and now the Policeforce is full of liberal feminist woke numb/no nuts.

I hear you and will give a brief reply - busty today catching up on 'paperworek' as they say here. The first and biggest issue is the device itself. Phones just do not have the ability (Os etc) to preclude intrusion by other apps and when browsing online - such as that a computer can have. I was a business guy so I cannot give all the technical details, but as an example it is very easy for pros to hack into a nearby phone than into a nearby computer that has been setip well. I have used iPhones for many years because they are a lot better than Android devices, just for their security - lets alone their control over the apps that can be downloaded. But even they are prone to being hacked by the smarter guys out there. The second is that the phone is an obvious physical target - why break into a house for a laptop when you can just steal a phone. They are the preferred device for those that steal to sell to those that hack - and on it goes up the chain. Not only can they wipe clean your device and re-sell it - they can take out much of the information stored in there - if they think you have money. Does this house have a laptrop - versus - there is a new Samsung Galaxy. In Thailand the IT systems are 'less than optimal' and apps on phones from Thai organisations can be very problemmatic. It is not just the app for the phone - which are inherenbtly much weaker than the apps developed and managed in the west - it is also the other apps which can get access to info on the phone. It astounds me people using online services to buy things on their phones not realising the risks involved - like seeing an old Expat riding a bike without a helmet - why? When you access an internet website on a computer, you are being 'protected' by both the device itself and the web browser you are using - plus any other added software etc. When you do that on a phone you are using the app direct to the network - not a browser - and most phones (as above) just cannot be protected like a computer. When an app is given access on your phone it is given access to read all data on your phone - the access permission cannot be set to 'only this data'. Last one - the banks etc want you to use their app. Why - no it is not because it is easier - it is because it is cheaper for them to maintain an app, than a website accessed by 'complicated' computers. VPNs on wireless networks being used by computers. Yes VPNs are 'more secure' because they encrypt what you are sending over the network. But an open network can be used by a hacker to access other devices on the network - not just to see the traffic you send receive. Just dont ever use a laptop on a public network - problem solved. But when out and about you can use your mobile data network - it is fully encrypted and if yopu set it up right, others cannot gain access. Plus always use https sites only - many modern browsers will only access them - because the transmissions are encrypted - unlike the old http sites, which some still exist in Thailand.

Gen Z basement dweller type for usre 🙂

I think Covid crashed a lot of Thai shops and stores. There are still a lot of empty places all over Thailand. We are in rayong and in the last year we have been all over Chonburi and up to Khon Kaen and over to Ubon - the economy is still not back and will take a lot longer than they think. No idea about Pantip as have not been there a while - it hopefully will/is get back to its former state.

I found this topic very interesting. Thought I would throw in my 2cents worth. I worked in IT&T for 30+ years and I know the issues, but I want to just use the things not manage and run them - too old/grumpy to do it. I have 3 laptops - one running Win10 and totally locked down with full security etc - I use that for banking etc. One running Win7 that I use for online movies youtube etc. The third is sitting waiting for stand alone Win12 - if not, then whatever I decide later. All software is either free or bought online - much much cheaper. The virus/malware industry is a nowadays a bit of a scam - only corporates really need it - and even then it is not guaranteed - but when using online banking it would be foolish not to be 'secure'. I never (will) use a banking app on the iphone, or any other app that has/requires details of my banks - they are not computers and are inherently insecure - using those sort of apps in a place like Thailand is very risky. The malware industry is a bit like the VPN - when all most people really need is an IP clone network - just dont use public/open networks. My Win 7 laptop is totally open and has never had a problem - only a hardware fail - just reloaded from the backup. Linuc etc are great for bare bones machines for gamers and others who dont want CPU wasted running a bloated OS. Chromebook was a great concept and works fine - except when you want an app they dont have or does not run well - plus I like local storage.

I agree - please do not close this thgread - ban those who keep breaking the rules, but dont punish the rest of us for their sins. This is an important thread to all Aussies. The Pension is always changing and Aussies need to be aware of it. Unlike most other countries where the Pension is a done deal and somewhat locked in when first given, in Aust if the Pension changes, it changes for everyone - including those living overseas - but they dont tell us of the changes. And I guarantee that the Aust Embassy does not give a rat's rear about Pensioners in Thailand and will not take any steps to keep them informed of any changes in the Pension rules. Services Australia publishes a newsletter in October each year - but that is about all they do to advise of changes. Australian Pension News - Retirement years - Services Australia Most changes are mentioned and discussed on forum's like this, well before they are officialy published online.

Mate are you for real?? I sometimes question members on this forum for their 'reality'. It is clear to me that some are just BS (GenZs in their Mum's basement type people). There are some that just do not know about things because they never experienced them or know someone that has, but they still make comments. I must say I am tending to put you in the latter, as you have been here 10 years? But perhaps you just misunderstood. Let me go through this one step at a time (the worst case). A Thai wife can give you debts by taking out a loan or whatever - and you as husband are legally liable. If those loans/debts are 'called in' - such as by a bank or 'Thai person' shall we say, you are accountable. Given you are accountable, they can get a Police Order and you will not be able to leave the country. They will seek to reach an agreement/deal. You can deny and refuse to make a deal all you like, but the next step is a Warrant to arrest you for unpaid debts. The next steps are not so good. Yes that is worst case scenario - but it has happened a few times (allegedly). I know of one bloke that lost 'his' house because the Thai wife had taken out loans against the house they lived in, to pay her and her family's gambling debts - and to buy the Brother a new bike etc. That is why I am advising the OP that if things are as bad as they seem they are - get the hell out of dodge - only then can the statement be made that they cannot get a dime out of him, because he aint in the country (and never will be again).

We went there late last year - not what it used to be (if it ever was). There are lots of shops in the Mall (Thaniya Plaza), but they have no real 'expertise' in the sales staff and the prices in every shop were very high (cheaper at local Pro shop and driving range). At the Ping store they could not help us with anything related to clubs and clearly did not know the products - we did not ask about shafts back then, but they had none there anyway. We spent a bit of time in the Plaza and did all 3 floors - the whole place was like a bad Thai retail shop full of disinterested staff who have no idea and high prices listed for everything (all the balls are cheaper in local stroes). I think it has been given its 'name' by all the online grifter-vloggers walking around and showing all the stores on Youtube etc. There were not a lot of people there and it was clear the staff were used to doing nothing much all day - anyone who paid for a franchise/shop in that place was ripped off.

Check your assets and income limits - easy to calculate if you will still get a partial pension. You get a partial pension but full medical benefgits as logn as you are not too far over the base limits. When living in Australia is is good to not have too much Super - when you are over assets/income limits for Pension that means no free/subsidised medications when you are going to need them - 70+? 75+? Either study up or get financial advice - or both.

You can thank Keating et al for taking Aust down that path. Clinton did it for US as well. But many benefits did flow - much cheaper products and a solid economic strength - until China crashed - but now showing signs of recovery. IMO Yes - the Baht might go back to a more 'reasonable' level this year I think - 26-28 ?

No mate- Expat is liable for debts incurred by wife if they are still married. File for divorce means no more liability.

Cheers mate - much appreciated.

Not about you - not about me. Grow Up.

Get travel insurance from someone in Australia - use website Compare The Market - get Ambulance Cover (not free and can cost a lot).

Just a quick point to try and set you straight - this is not about you and how you feel. Plus - I dont believe a word you said - 'my wife owns several businesses' - 'I work during office hours' - ROFLOL - faker. Quit while you are behind mate - that hole will only get bigger.

Good point - words to the wise.

Nail on the head HIT !! The elephant in the room !! The use of a DTA is not automatic as some people seem to think. You can only use a DTA as a claim in your tax return and YOU must PROVE you have already been taxed to the satisfaction of the TRD. How you can do that is not detailed or explained - and it will probably not be (there are 61) - it will be IMO decided based on 'legal precedent'. Before I go into what legal precent is, IMO the best strategy to take going forward for the vast majority of Expats is to avoid TRD at all costs - at least for a few years while this all sorts itself out. Gather your own personal information and calculate why you do not (IYO) have to lodge a tax return (eg. My country DTA states Pension not taxed, etc etc). Keep records of all of that information you based that decision upon - reasons, pension payments, bank statements, etc etc etc. IF you are ever asked by TRD to explain why you have not lodged a tax return, immediately go see a tax accountant/lawyer and provide them with your documents and information. IMO very very few Expats will ever be asked to explain. However, if you are earning money from overseas (investments, rentals, etc) and are a Thai tax resident, then IMO you should go and see a tax accountant/lawyer and ask what they think you should do. Legal Precedent is how a lot of issues are resolved in the Thai taxation system (and the vast majority of those are by businesses and wealthy individuals). TRD makes a decision - the tax payers disagrees and lodges an appeal - TRD accepts or rejects the appeal - if rejected the taxpayer takes the matter to Court - the Court listens to both sides and decides - that becomes the 'legal precedent' for this particualr issue - unless the TRD lodges a higher Court Appeal in which case it goes a few steps further. TRD rarely appeals - the matter is handled very amicably (not confrontational like in western Court) with both sides politely asking the Court to help them settle a misunderstanding and/or something that they both are not sure of how it should be decided.