The Cyclist

I dont know anything about Aussie Pensions or the Aussie - Thai DTA. I do remember asking a specific question in that thread, which was something to do with Aus Mil Pension and the OAP Pension, Something to do with if you had the Mil Pension you didn't get the OAP Pension, or something like that. Yes, I think so.

Can you send me some of whatever you are smoking ? Pretyy sure the thread is about the arrest of a suspected serial killer. Although if you wish to highlight your ignorance even further, perhaps you could take the time to explain what part of ' Immigration Policies ' apply to people who have illegally arrived in a Country ? Failing that Phone the Samaritans

Don't panic. The Tottenham Turnip will ensure peace and harmony between the US and UK It is also interesting to note that the man tipped to be the next British Ambassador to the US, one Peter Mandleson, is recommending that Labour take up Nigel Farage's offer https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/peter-mandelson-keir-starmer-nigel-farage-trump-musk-b2649891.html They would do well to remember that Musk probably has access to information that would crush most of the Labour Party 😀😀😀

I think I specifically said That also goes for home grown people. Nowhere did I say or suggest anything that was all encompassing.

People who smash someone else's skull with a paving stone, commits multiple rapes, goes on stabbing sprees, drives vehicles into crowds, and whatever else they get up to. Do not deserve basic humanity. They deserve a fast-track to hell.

You would need to ask the Immigration Office you use. As Upnotover says, TM47 and passport at CW My Office only requires Passport, never handed in a TM47 from before the Wu-Flu struck. I might even be correct in saying that the only TM47 I handed in was when I first moved here

Not really Inter- Governmental Treaties will always favour Government workers. The other point to remember, is that when the UK - Thai DTA was signed off in the early 80''s. Very few people had Occupational Pensions and the UK State Pension was worth about £30 a month. Welfare / benefits is a different kettle of fish. The State Pension only became a ' Benefit ' around 2014, when the Pensions Act was amended and updated. Others are free to think why this was done. My own opinion is that is was done to make it easier to ' Means Test ' it, probably in the not too distant future. Agreed 100%. The UK State Pension and other forms of Pensions are all potentially taxable in Thailand. What happens in reality, remains to be seen.

Neither can the DWP https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c844g4kpjxdo The claimants had never set foot in the UK, and it was a Bulgarian Policeman, who started asking questions as to where all the money was coming from, that the fraud came to light. It might be fair to say that the DWP have had a massive rocket fired up their **** and told to get a grip of fraud.

No worries, life would be rather crap if we all had the same experiences. Sometimes a source of confusion, depending on your age and previous experience, or how someone puts it across to someone else. Retired Military - Someone who could have retired at 40 with a Government Pension. Retired Police Officer - Someone who retired after ( I think ) 25 years with a Government Pension. Same with Firemen and a whole load of others. All retired, in receipt of a Government Pension, and not old enough to qualify for a retirement visa / extension in Thailand.

I do not think that there is any dispute that the UK State Pension or Private Pensions are potentially taxable in Thailand. The circles that you move in, and the area that you live will largely dictate the people that you meet and come across. Therefore I wont come across many / any that are living solely on a State Pension. Probably a different story in towns and Cities. Therefore peoples experiences can, and do, differ. Another thought also occurred as I was typing. It is perfectly plausible that some of those Private Pensions people that you meet / know, might actually be on a Government Pension and simply refer to it as a Private Pension. Of course, the noise around the topic of the thread will now have people nailing down their type of pension, since it hit the headlines just over a year ago. I think I can stand by what I said previously. The biggest cohort I knew when I first came to Thailand were O & G workers, predominantly in the late 30's to mid 50's age group. When I retired fully, the small circle of expats that I currently know are mostly Government Pension holders. Some will also be Private Pension holders. Ex Police / Ex Military / an ex fireman and a couple of others. These are people that I know and meet up with regularly, usually on a golf course or a restaurant Not in the habit of grilling people who I bump into when I visit town or less frequently, the city, on their Pension status.

To be fair, old Clinton has previous Who can forget " I did not have sexual relations with that woman "

Yes they did You can contact John Edwards at the Home Office if you have any further questions.

Because people went to jail for posting the truth on social media ? Just like many other truths are being covered up, because apparently it is not in the public interest. Which is probably Political speak for the public would be going bash1t mental if the truth were to come out.

The majority of other Brit retirees that I know here in Thailand, are on some form of Government Pension. Be that ex police, ex forces, an ex fireman and a coupke of others. Granted, it is small cohort, but if that is extrapolated across the whole of Thailand, then yes, very few would be filing tax returns. The other cohort that I knew going back 6 to 12 years ago were mostly O & G workers, who like me, were never tax residents and never needed to file a tax return. So on the Brit side, I don't think that there would be large numbers tax filing, aside from those that were legally working in Thailand.

I would print off all the relevant details that you think you might need. I can see this being a bit like Immigration. Different Offices saying / doing different things. I dont think there will ever be a generic answer, and it will be a case of going with the flow, of whatever your local RD Office is currently implimenting 😀😀

It's even easier for me. I wont be filing anything. Annual bank printout, attach P60, put in A4 envelope, mark envelope Thai Tax Year 2024 and stick in a drawer for safekeeping, should someone come knocking at my door for audit purposes. But for those that are unsure. A trip to the RD to ask the question is the best way forward, unless they want to fork out for the Services of a Tax Consultant.

No idea about the ins or outs of the LTR. My advice would remain the same, err on the side of caution and assume that you are correct and that your income under the LTR is " Assessable " but tax exempt. Take that assumption to your RD Office and let the RD tell you otherwise. No harm in actually going to the RD Office now and asking if they can help you out as you are having difficulty in working out whether you need to file a tax return in Jan - March 2025 or not.

It would be mental not to ask. What is the worst that is going to happen ? 1. They tell you to go away 2. They give you a TIN, fill in a form and you pay no tax. It's a no brainer for me. A once a year trip to the RD to keep on the straight and narrow.

I do not believe this is correct. THB500k is the threshold that you would start to pay tax by applying your This is not the same as the thresholds for filing a tax return which are 60K / 120K / 220K depending on the type of income and if you file as an Individual or a Couple. That is my understanding on how it works. This also explains why the RD has about 4 million ' Nul ' tax returns each year. 4 million Tax returns filed, but no tax to pay. As always, better to be safe than sorry. Try and file and let the RD direct you.

Yes, I was one of them who went in Feb 2024 to try and get a TIN and file a tax return for 2023 on 2 x Pensions. Details are somewhere on the forum. No need, was the RD response. Which wasn't really surprising as the new tweak only became effective on 01 Jan 2024 and will apply to the tax year 2024, with filings due in the period Jan - Mar 2025. It would appear that you are agreeing with my comments. My stance / Interpretation hasn't changed since November 2023. Cannot say the same for your interpretation / stance over the last 5 or 6 pages.

Yes, that is what I have been saying for pages and pages. We can all read our relevant DTA, we can all read the Revenue Code, what we cannot read is what Individual RD Offices will actually do ( Until we turn up there, paperwork in hand ) between Jan & March 2025. What should happen in Law, and what actually happens are very often 2 different things in Thailand, as anyone who regularly visits Immigration Offices will tell you. I believe that the levels of 60k / 120k / 220 Baht apply to " Assessable Income " Meaning that if you have " Assessable Income " above these limits, a TIN should be applied for and a Tax Return should be filed ( What Individual RD Offices do in practice, remains to be seen ) That does not mean that tax is payable at those levels. Once an Individuals TEDA's, tax credits etc, are applied, will determine at what levels tax becomes payable. And these will vary from Individual to Individual.

Article 7 of the UK - Thai DTA,. Income from Immovable Property. Primarily taxed in the UK for individuals.

Sure That is my advice to those that are unsure has always been, take your paperwork to the RD Office and let them guide you. That does not change my belief, that if you rock up with " Assessable Income " that has already been taxed, it will most likely not be subjected to any further taxation in Thailand.

No, I understand what the UK - Thai DTA says. I also understand that the RD faq's page, Question 5, gives the answer of applying the most beneficial tax rate to the taxpayer. Which makes it highly probable, that is what the RD would apply when and if, you file a tax return at a Thai Revenue Office. Of course, you could be correct, and they could trawl through about 60 DTA's to see where they might squeeze another couple of Baht out of someone who is already paying tax.

Okay So you think that the tweak known as POR 161 & 162 was to hammer people who are already paying tax ? Interesting.