Colin Yai

In my neck of the woods (Buri Ram Province) to can rent a super brand new house for 5/6 thousand a month !, yeah thats right 5or 6 grand and you can live the life of Riley for 35 grand a month fully inclusive , two good hospitals with good doctors Buri ram and Surin and all the modern amenities , if you do decide to come and live here ,talk to people who have lived here for quite some time , do not rush into anything which you may regret later , personally I could not be more happier with my lot ,but have heard and seen quite a few horror stories, best of luck.

We may have posters who are more up-to-date on the ins and outs of these situations, but some years back, it was actually more difficult for true, political refugees to get out of a country than economic migrants. A lot of Refugees will go by land to the nearest country that will either allow transit or will accept and not repatriate them. For example, Iranians often make their way to Turkey.

The boat people, which may have some true refugees, but the % is probably rather small and would include either families or parents who are trying to get their children to safety. Generally, however, the family of economic migrants will get the money together to put a young person on the boat in the hopes that they will be able to find a job, send back enough money and eventually have the family join them. These young people are called 'anchors'. Once anchored, the person makes an application for the family--if the anchor is a genuine refugee, then the family members are usually also refugees--since most of these countries punish the entire immediate family. If the anchor isn't, but gets citizenship/residency, and has the money, they can sponsor the family as immigrants.

With unaccompanied minor children, if they are allowed to stay then the parents, in the past, were allowed to join them. Most governments didn't want minor children being separated from the family. If the minor isn't a refugee, then they should be returned to their family right away.

People with significant amounts of money do not usually take these boat journeys. They go by plane. Arrangements are made with a 3rd party from a Western Country to secure a 2nd passport and the two will transit through the same country. In the transit area, the old passport is exchanged for the new one and the person gets on a flight with a new identity. The Westerner will continue on to another country. Again, this was the method some years back and probably doesn't work as smoothly as it did.

I might add that immigration officers were in on the scheme. One person I know who was eventually detained, was informed that he was to exit through a very specific immigration stand at a certain time.

Thank you for your very detailed opinion Scott, Although being more or less a newcomer in comparison to others and In this I could well be quite mistaken, but you appear to me to be the only Mod who takes "time out " to put their opinion across with a simple easy to follow explanation of their views on any given subject

I'm not wearing PC gloves I assure you. Ironically I belong to the one subgroup that does not have a widely used word for violence or prejudice against us. There is racism, homophobia, islamophobia etc. but if you attack a disabled person there is no word for it. Calling me 'ironsides' or 'metal mickey' etc. in the street in the UK will not get you a fine for abusing a person in a wheelchair, neither will tipping my wheelchair over unless I suffer injuries from it. Crimes against disabled people are normalised and not covered under the PC umbrella.

RE: other faiths etc. I know about Iran, how it is illegal to execute female virgins & so the Revolutionary Guard rape the woman first so that she can legally be executed as a non-virgin, for her "crime" - usually dressing or acting contra theocratic law. I know girls as young as 7 and 9 can become wives in Iran, and many thousands have died in childbirth age 11 when the female body has great difficulty bearing child successfully. We could discuss this all year. If you think I am so PC that I am not disgusted at this institutional barbarism and stone age misogeny then you truly are mistaken.

I also know about Christian Euro white people going to Africa and telling the uneducated masses to not wear condoms, in the middle of the AIDS crisis. Its a form of religious genocide.

I grew up in North England in big city with a large Pakistani community, and would say that I was mugged/burgled by whites, blacks & pakistanis in roughly equal numbers. I don't hold resentment to any of the specific races that comitted crime against me. They are educationally subnormal, drug addicts, plain stupid, lazy, arrogant or whatever take your pick. Crime is a social problem caused by ignorance & a failing marketplace. Crime is not a racial problem. Solving it requires good parenting (leading by example) & progressive schooling & a healthy jobs-market. My contention is that the UK & many parts of old Europe today lacks in all those categories.

Good post, you raise some interesting points. Getting the easiest out of the way first, I agree that religion is responsible today for state sponsored genocide. I say state because the vatican is a state. The Pope could stop the suffering of millions of men women and children in the future by the stroke of a pen or the whisper of a word, but he will not sanction contraception. The only way that Christianity and Islam can 'grow' and have a secure future is to breed lots and lots of followers plain and simple and that is why religious leaders are guilty of crimes against humanity and the planet.

Your last paragraph is most likable, and I have pondered on it a little. You say

Crime is a social problem caused by ignorance & a failing marketplace. Crime is not a racial problem. Solving it requires good parenting (leading by example) & progressive schooling & a healthy jobs-market. My contention is that the UK & many parts of old Europe today lacks in all those categories.

I would argue that in the UK, prior to the relentless, unchecked influx of immigrants that many good social systems were in place, and that with the arrival of millions of immigrants all with different demands the infrastructure simply could not cope with the Governments idea of some kind of multi cultural utopia. We had progressive schooling and a healthy jobs market. It was the Labour government that destroyed that job market in a bid to lower their costs. It was they that commenced the immigration program in a bid to get a cheaper workforce. Cheaper Doctors and Nurses, cheaper men to work in all Government owned enterprises, mines, railways, transportation. It was introduced with no thought and led to mass institutionalized racism. Enoch Powell was not racist when he warned of 'rivers of blood', he was bang on the money. It is coming. It was not just the failing of the market place that led to crime, it was the failing of the social fabric and infrastructure to cope with so many people from such diverse backgrounds and cultures (there is a reason why nature kept everyone separate by making them migrate across the world to areas of cultural similarity). The result was that those people who were desperately poor and under privileged took to forming their own communities and their own groups, complete with sub culture. The blacks, afro-caribean, asian peoples, suffered dreadfully in the UK 40 years ago, and it is coming back to bite our ass with avengeance. What the labour governments did was little more than glorified slave trading and it was replicated all over Europe.

The sad truth is that profiling actually does work. You are at more risk from some cultural and racial groups than others, but they are Frankensteins that have been created by our own Governments.

If you are unwilling to absorb yourself into the culture of a country you are moving to then you should not be admitted, we go on about it enough here on TV. I know that the cities 'in the North' do have unique social problems , they also have good aspects, such as you cannot get a better curry anywhere in the world than in Bradford The issues that Colin raises in his post number 53 get me absolutely incensed with anger, and as he astutely points out below, that crap is not tolerated elsewhere.

There were some jobs advertised recently for Heathrow airport an 'equal opportunities' employer, who operate under Government mandates to employ representative people from respective race and culture. The jobs were normal, manual and some clerical positions, but one job was open to Afro Carib's only, another needed Asian Pakistani, another needed Asian Indian! All to fill in the quotas mandated by the lefties. What happened to best person for the job? What happened to competition? What happens to the young white lad looking desperately for a job? What happens to my son in London who was told recently by the GOVERNMENT Job center, that he may have to accept less than minimum wage if he wanted a job with a certain employer, as that is what the legal immigrants do! The Met police have a black police officers federation, but cannot have a white one as that is deemed racist. The country is going mad and it is government sponsored insanity.

We have created this crock, and it can be pinned down to ethnicity, culture, religion and a number of other factors. The problem now is that I believe it is so out of control that there is no fixing it, and in order for me to allow my children to grow up in a safer environment in a country proud of their culture....i have had to move here, and I must absorb myself into this new culture, a sacrifice I willingly pay for my children. There is still crime sure, and it is me on the end of any racism, but it is nowhere near as bad as the UK was. The rules are simple though, I can come, I must behave, if I want to practice as a Doctor I must speak and write the language fluently, I am not permitted to be employed in Politics or law enforcement , i cannot take the land off the indigenous people etc etc, but under those conditions I accept. I cannot sponge off the state and the Thai tax payer, I cannot sit on my ass and claim 5K a month in welfare payments.

If you want to analyze this seriously, look at what is to be gained by mass disorder and anarchy in these leading European countries! Look at what the controlling banking families who engineer such social experiments have to gain. All such topics I would love to talk to you and a few others here on TV about over a beer.

The saddest thing is that it takes a cruel sadistic child killer and mass murderer to get people to talk about this and openly acknowledge the issues that exist.

Yeah Dan you make a good point however has Gentleman correctly wrote in his post #52 do you not honestly think that part of the growing problem is treating it with PC gloves ,instead of stamping it out at the offset, I just wonder on a time scale how long it would be before I was frog marched to Bangkok airport and deported, if I burned the Thai flag and screamed out that the Thai military were murderers ,with my passport stamped "NEVER TO RETURN"

Colin, the decision would take about a nano second, but the process would take about 10-15 years as that is how long they would put you in prison for!

Hmm, yeah Jim I never thought about that

From what I have read previously its quite obvious that the "people Smugglers" are charging big money to facilitate this ever increasing problem ,it makes one wonder if the Economic migrants are fleeing persecution and poverty just how do they come by their boat fares?

Yeah Dan you make a good point however has Gentleman correctly wrote in his post #52 do you not honestly think that part of the growing problem is treating it with PC gloves ,instead of stamping it out at the offset, I just wonder on a time scale how long it would be before I was frog marched to Bangkok airport and deported, if I burned the Thai flag and screamed out that the Thai military were murderers ,with my passport stamped "NEVER TO RETURN"

Careful now. Don't hurt his dainty lil' feelings.

Yeah Pat ,one has to be ultra careful these days just in case one get's reported to the "corridors of power"

I have the distinct feeling that when all the Evidence is produced in the Court and a judgement is rendered (if it ever gets to Court) that some one on this thread is going to finish up with Egg on their face!

Breivik is clearly insane, and clearly a mass murderer and - IMO - it is a disgrace that he will live the rest of his life in the comfort of a Norwegian prison courtesy of taxpayers. He murdered scores of innocent people in cold blood. Put him on trial where he will be found guilty, learn why he did what he did and what can be done to stop it from happening again, dig a hole, throw his lifeless body into it, and move on.

Insane, probably, but I suspect he will see the irony in being a beneficiary of the lenient Norwegian justice system.

Has no one ever thought that for years Brevik tried to do it "the right way" but was shouted down by the "the thought police" as a rabid xenophobe for pointing out the obvious problems in HIS Country, until finally he Snapped ,IMHO he was not born that way, he was made that way by the system , obviously along with others I condemn root and branch what he did ,but every person has a breaking point ,no doubt this will be deduced by the PC brigade that I am making excuse's for what he did ,I'm not ,I'm just trying to get inside the guys mind in a rational way instead of screaming from the rooftops about the gravity of his crimes which BTW is no worse that what is taking place right now with the Nigerian Christians , I could even come out with the complete garbage and write ,Ahh well no one bothers about them cos there are black so are not worth a mention ,personally I think there is a lot more to this sorry state of affairs, but whether the REAL truth will ever come out is highly doubtful as looking at Breviks face being led in to court I think the guy has just lost the plot .

I think a discussion of Multiculturalism is reasonably within the parameters of the thread. I don't, however, believe that anyone has to engage in a discussion if they chose not to.

My Thoughts entirely .

Brit 1984 were did I ever write that the killing of Labour party Students ( you appear to have left that simple fact out) would stop THE FAILED IDEA of Multiculturalism ,you appear to be fighting shy of writing the truth ,Success or failure?, its that simple , maybe the same could (nutters) be said of all the Islamic radicals who are quite prepared to slaughter countless thousands of "infidels" to further their insane beliefs of world wide domination.

Colin - it is clear you only continue to post because you want to show your opposition to "THE FAILED IDEA of Multiculturalism" - if Breivik wanted to demonstrate his opposition to multiculturalism he could have posted his views on internet forums (or expressed his views through any other platform) - but actually he just wanted to kill people because he is a crazy loner

Simple question do you REALLY believe that Multiculturalism has been a success in Europe ?

This story is about a crazy loner who killed 77 innocent people (mostly young students) for no reason

It saddens me that anyone would see the need to discuss whether his stated motivations are valid

I said in Europe ,it has nothing to do with what the nutter thinks I am simply asking you ,and of course you are under no obligation to answer .

Brit 1984 were did I ever write that the killing of Labour party Students ( you appear to have left that simple fact out) would stop THE FAILED IDEA of Multiculturalism ,you appear to be fighting shy of writing the truth ,Success or failure?, its that simple , maybe the same could (nutters) be said of all the Islamic radicals who are quite prepared to slaughter countless thousands of "infidels" to further their insane beliefs of world wide domination.

Colin - it is clear you only continue to post because you want to show your opposition to "THE FAILED IDEA of Multiculturalism" - if Breivik wanted to demonstrate his opposition to multiculturalism he could have posted his views on internet forums (or expressed his views through any other platform) - but actually he just wanted to kill people because he is a crazy loner

Simple question do you REALLY believe that Multiculturalism has been a success in Europe ?

Further to my post Brit1984 , yeah I agree, thankfully Brevik was indeed a crazed loner ,and now that threat has been removed from Society ,the big problem with Radical Islam is that there are tens of thousands no one really knows how many, never the less they do exist world wide who wish to destroy our religion and way of life through mass murder and intimidation (Jihad) ,that is the simple truth of the matter nothing more nothing less .

Brit 1984 were did I ever write that the killing of Labour party Students ( you appear to have left that simple fact out) would stop THE FAILED IDEA of Multiculturalism ,you appear to be fighting shy of writing the truth ,Success or failure?, its that simple , maybe the same could (nutters) be said of all the Islamic radicals who are quite prepared to slaughter countless thousands of "infidels" to further their insane beliefs of world wide domination.

Colin - it is clear you only continue to post because you want to show your opposition to "THE FAILED IDEA of Multiculturalism" - if Breivik wanted to demonstrate his opposition to multiculturalism he could have posted his views on internet forums (or expressed his views through any other platform) - but actually he just wanted to kill people because he is a crazy loner

Quite correct I could not agree more , maybe the Crazed Islamic British born mad men London Transport bombers should have posted their views to persuade people about the "joys of Allah", Instead of murdering 52 innocent people and injuring over 3,000 in 2005 !!. In closeing do you really believe I am the only person who believe that the Multicultural experiment has proved to be a disaster, there are millions out there, many I am afraid will not say so just in case some one is "offended" (The usual left wing appeasers).

He's against multiculturalism, so he targets and eliminates his own culture?

Scott please read my post again, I plainly wrote the actions of a madman , the Sunni's and Shiites have been slaughtering each other for decades and yet they are of the same Muslim culture , and personally I have never ever thought that Socialism is in any way allied to my culture!.

Brit1984 , with respect you have plainly forgot to put IMHO at the start of your post as you have not a shred of evidence to back it up , Brevnik plainly said he committed this heinous crime against humanity oweing to the totally failed policy's of Multiculturalism which is quite true , Multiculturalism is a failed experiment , that is a simple fact is beyond question and of course if you do not follow this line of thinking why Not Google up how many rapes against white Christian women on a % basis are perpetrated by Muslim men in Norway, however given all that, his actions was the actions of a madmen who obviously thought that this was the way to go to bring it to the worlds attention .

Jem Jem ,Please do not attempt to presume what is in my mind ,sure I am right wing and bloody proud of it too, but NEVER ever would I condone what took place not that long ago, in Nigeria over Christmas Hundreds of Christians were slaughtered like sheep by Radical Islamist Scumbags this mass murder has been going on now for a decade with nary a squeak from most members does that mean they have "sympathy" for it?, never in a million years and I would not dream of writing such flagrant crap ,and with respect in closing show me were I have ever expressed sympathies for mass murderers .

Yeah Dan ,the guy must have thought he had good reasons for doing what he did, and although I agree that what he did was beyond belief ,never the less I would like to hear his version as to just why he resorted to such totally inhuman methods to let his feelings known to the world

He resorted to such totally inhuman methods because he's a mass murderer. Are you trying to drum up a bit of sympathy for him? What 'good reason' was there for him to kill 77 innocent teenagers?

Get A grip!, the words I used was totally inhumane , Is there a good reason for the endless suicide bombings / Mass murders and persecution of Christians in Muslim Countrys ,the radicals think they have a good reason, maybe Brevik did too, it would certainly appear so by his statements so far.

Suicide bombers that target innocent men, women and children for death and dismemberment are terrorists and nothing more.

Fair enough UG ,but personally I would have wrote "Islamic Suicide bombers that target innocent men,women and children for death and dismemberment to further and in defense of their totally insane religious beliefs are terrorists , nothing more nothing less!.

@Colin,

It is ironic, yet symptomatic of the times when you find yourself having to refute accusations of racism for criticizing the most racist, bigoted and discriminatory ideology ever created by man.

I never thought of it that way Dan , but thinking on it ,I could not have put it any better , maybe others should dwell on your simple yet highly accurate description .

My post was nothing to do with Muslims, as you well know. I was responding to you stating as a fact that the UK now has "rivers of blood", as predicted by Enoch Powell 50 years ago. I ask you for a third time, where in the UK are the "rivers of blood"? Not, ah but there would be if all the bad Muslims were not in prison. There are no "rivers of blood", and to state otherwise is clearly racist nonsense.

Sorry but this thread is all about Muslims and Jihad and the implantation of Sharia law in the West or later in Australia ,and has nothing whatsoever to do with racism , racism is the discrimination about the colour of their skins and sweet FA to do with their religious orientations , I am merely pointing out that but for our excellent security services the prisons would not hold so many Islamic extremists who seek to destroy the Christian way of life by murdering us ,you can call it what you want but what I write is the Irrefutable Truth or is attempted murder not a crime according to you? ,and I seem to recall I mentioned Martin Luther King who quoted " you do not judge a man by the colour of his Skin but by the contents of his character" which according to your yard stick that makes him my hero too , the problem being he was a negro ,so just where does your claims of me being a racist fit in to your totally groundless accusations ??

@Colin,

It is ironic, yet symptomatic of the times when you find yourself having to refute accusations of racism for criticizing the most racist, bigoted and discriminatory ideology ever created by man.

I never thought of it that way Dan , but thinking on it ,I could not have put it any better , maybe others should dwell on your simple yet highly accurate description .

Quite an Informative link Dan Thanks , I have been reading similar Items like this for quite some time , IMHO the worst thing is to have a closed mind and then accuse others who bring the topic up as rabid racists ,the real truth is there for all to see , unfortunately it is now viewed by those of the left as some sort of hate speech , I think that with a change of Government in Australia and with lessons to be learned from what is happening right now in Europe they will process "Asylum seekers" far quicker than hitherto and those found to be bogus will be speedily returned from whence they came.

It is up to you how you handle it. All I get is threats and insults, so I'm not sure.

Yeah , I got an Insulting PM a few days ago, surprisingly enough this pleases me no end cos IMHO once they get personal ,they have run out of a rational answer to your question!!

During an interview with one young Muslim man in Belgium who is campaigning to get Sharia law enacted for all Belgians: He said; "Sharia law is the will of Muhammed, so no one can question it."

Maidu's spin: There are more than a few people like that, who interpret the musings of a dead man and seek to force those ideas on all others in his vicinity. Any of their personal interpretations of the hundreds year old moldy texts is deemed, by those people, to be the ONLY WAY, and all others must adhere to their interpretations, or be physically cowed in to doing so.

It's a bad cycle, and I don't see any reasonable way around it. Like an infection.

Good luck Australia. Most of Europe is already beyond the pale.

And that is what I do not understand, If they want sharia law then why on earth do they head to christian countries simply just stop at one of the islamic countries that they pass through where they alreadyhave everything they want. I think it is more about instilling change in the cultures of other countries until they resemble that of which they alledgedly fled. In Australia they have even lobbied for a small mosque to be build within the grounds of the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG) the home of Australian Rules Football and cricket in Australia. An Aussie Icon. They are going to get but no chapel for the majority. They say they need to pray during games. 99% of those that go to the Aussie footy games are christians. Next it will be segregated areas for male/female supporters. Next it will be pray rooms in Hotels and bars they won't use them but want them.

They have a prayer room in one of the car auctions in Brisbane......never thought I would see the day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just the thin end of a gigantic wedge.

In other words Chooka the Islamic Minority's DEMANDS take priority ,simply because The left wing Government is terrified of having the racist tag attached to it , this has been the bane of Europe with truly disastrous consequences , or is someone out there suggesting that multiculturalism has been a roaring success ,and they expect more of the same in Australia?? ., Exsexyman maybe you could inform Aussie Chooka that his views are alarmist and based on what is going on right now in Europe he has nothing to fear