thaibeachlovers

On ‎5‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 10:28 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

So why would you (or anyone else) deny any of those fine things to another young person just because they are female?

Why are they denied? The girl scouts exist, and if that organisation doesn't provide such, ask why not and do something about it.

When I was in the scouts I was at an age when I disliked girls and would not have wanted to be in any voluntary organisation with them.

Now that girls are allowed in the boy scouts, it's inevitable that "boyness" will be discouraged so as not to offend their delicate sensibilities.

This is just part of the current anti male political agenda, when all "maleness" must be swept away.

The agenda is already well under way, and "maleness" is under assault on all fronts in the west. PC is winning.

Boris has, IMO, been a failure in his present position, and POTUS should not give him time of day.

Pity, as I thought he was a good mayor of London.

17 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Cater's action was to pressure the Iranian government into a specific action.

Carter explicitly outlined the reasons behind the issuance of sanctions (including visa cancellation for Iranian nationals) and underscored his intent to apply pressure to Iran’s government release American hostages.

Trump’s proposal was markedly not a sanction, but a security measure framed as a counterterrorism strategy, and one directed at all adherents of a particular religion (regardless of their nationalities) rather than citizens of a particular country.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jimmy-carter-banned-iranian-immigrants/

It's amusing how often Trump and his supporters try to excuse Trump's extremist (sometimes unconstitutional) policies by using previous presidential actions as an excuse, while also criticizing the performance of those same presidents.

Trump doesn't need to justify his actions on immigration. He has the power to make any ruling and it can be disputed in the courts if people disagree ( as has happened ).

That is the way the American constitution was set up, to provide checks and balances.

Far as the Hondurans are concerned, he has the right to not extend their TEMPORARY stay, and unless congress makes a law to allow them to stay it's case closed.

17 hours ago, Thaidream said:

If Trump doesn't like the Immigration law which allows for protected status; refugees; asylum and other things associated with a country that  basis it's policy on fairness, equity and compassion- change the law. 

He doesn't need to change the law to allow him to deport the Hondurans. It's already the law.

Seems to me it's those in congress that want them to stay that should make a new law to allow them to stay. Same with DACA, but they wouldn't do that, when they could have.

22 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

None of us are here because our country had a disaster 20 years ago, and we pay our way. We get nothing for free from LOS. Every baht I pay here comes from overseas, so i'm of net benefit to Thailand.

Despite all the deflections to non relevant subjects, the point of this thread is that people that were only in the US under TEMPORARY status have been allowed to stay on long past time they should have returned to their own countries. If they want to become permanent US citizens they should apply for residence.

BTW, it's not Trump's job to make legislation about immigration; that is what congress is supposed to do.

I forgot to add that most of us expats are here on a temporary visa extension which only last a year. Try not extending and see how long the Thai authorities allow us to stay.

Seems some posters expect the US authorities to be more lenient than the Thais.

I don't think the Hondurans would be accommodating to any that violated their rules either. 

I saw a report that he has already resigned. Trump said back in 2013 that he would be following Weiner into political oblivion, so something has been up with that guy for years.

Gun deaths in the UK? Surely not, as Britain doesn't allow gun ownership, except under strict regulations.

Haven't the American liberals been telling us for years that removing guns from the hands of law abiding citizens will eliminate gun crime?

21 hours ago, Thaidream said:

Some people on the board who support Trump haven't figured out that they are Immigrants to Thailand ad should Thailand spout the same racist view that Trump holds- they wouldn't be here.

None of us are here because our country had a disaster 20 years ago, and we pay our way. We get nothing for free from LOS. Every baht I pay here comes from overseas, so i'm of net benefit to Thailand.

Despite all the deflections to non relevant subjects, the point of this thread is that people that were only in the US under TEMPORARY status have been allowed to stay on long past time they should have returned to their own countries. If they want to become permanent US citizens they should apply for residence.

BTW, it's not Trump's job to make legislation about immigration; that is what congress is supposed to do.

On ‎5‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 8:47 AM, simoh1490 said:

Here's London:

Difference between Pattaya and London- London's got decent public transport, Pattaya is way easier to find a public toilet.

Having just returned from London, I can say that I prefer Pattaya. The Pattaya locals probably speak better English as well.

On ‎5‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 11:04 AM, johng said:

someone needs a good kick up the backside.

Agree 100%.

If the city council can't do their job, they should resign.

On ‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 11:06 AM, oxforddon said:

Once again, people knock the volunteer Tourist police. No pay, long hours dealing with drunk idiots, buy all their own gear and uniforms and generally assist folks with problems or just advice into the early hours of the morning, and are in danger of getting hurt while doing so. There is also some serious misunderstanding of what they have the right to do. If under supervision and/or orders by Thai officers they DO have the right to detain, restrain and otherwise do what is necessary in all situations.

Pattaya had a bar scene for many years without any requirement for farangs to dress up as pretend cops.

Walking Street existed for many years quite happily without them.

The bar scene exists in many places in Pattaya without any sign of farang wannabe cops.

Why is it that only Walking St is blessed with their presence?

Why do they ignore the child exploitation that has occurred on Walking Street for many years?

If they stopped dressing up like cops ( which they are not ) and wore a big sign saying "translator here to help" I would not object to them.

If under supervision and/or orders by Thai officers they DO have the right to detain, restrain and otherwise do what is necessary in all situations.

Which is exactly what is wrong with the entire set up.

Farangs have no business doing any of that, under any situation, PERIOD.

Far as I'm concerned, they can go home and join the cops wherever they come from if they have a need to wear a uniform and stick their noses into other people's business.

On ‎5‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 9:11 PM, Jack100 said:

How did normally rational and  quite wealthy people get sucked into this ?

Greed?

On ‎5‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 9:12 AM, Pattaya46 said:

No arts ???  What about by example the Sanctuary of Truth or Art in Paradise ?

No museum ?? What about those on Van Gogh, Glass bottles, Teddy bears, Viharnra Sien, waxwork, gems, ice of Siam, etc.?

You omitted Mini Siam ( if it still exists ). When I visited the bottle museum many years ago, they said I was the first farang ever to go there!

1 hour ago, HauptmannUK said:

I do chuckle when I see posts from guys who claim to have a HiSo or highly-educated wife, as if that makes them intrinsically better or more honest.

Agree 100%.

Hiso women are still women, after all, just with more money, and far more likely to be spoilt and high maintenance.

Even in the bars, I avoided the best looking ones as they didn't need to even try to get customers, and thought they were "special".

On ‎5‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 3:50 AM, balo said:

But even without money , you can still have a decent life as an old man. 

I would rather live alone than having to pay for a woman I met in a Pattaya bar. 

The obvious response to that is that not everyone agrees with you.

9 hours ago, Mojomor said:

I have been here for 12 years. The place is okay, but not great. It is too noisy, too dirty, and too expensive. It is also full of people pretending to be something else. I like Thailand a lot and have travelled to most parts, but not all. 

Pattaya is all you say, but it's cheaper than Bkk and more exciting than any other Thai town I've been in.

On ‎5‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 2:33 AM, mstevens said:

I wasn't around back then but expats who were have told me that it was like that during the mid '90s and then the Asian economic crisis happened and it all changed and things reverted back to how they had been years earlier.....until at some time later things started changing again.

Referring only to the farang bar scene, it was the best up till the economic crisis, when there were plenty of well paid expats spending large in the gogos and bars. Many lost their jobs in the crisis and things changed, then Purachai really destroyed it. Never recovered to what it was before.

BTW, traffic in Bkk improved immensely after the crisis when rich Thais had to sell their cars.

23 hours ago, coxo said:

I agree with the poster also, it seemed to go downhill with the English in the late 90's when there pound was strong, they threw money around and the price trebled in six months, with that the girls bad attitude started and it never recovered to the good old days.

As far as music go's I am always amazed when in a gogo, you look around and the age of punters is say 50 to 70 yet the play doff doff music, they dont seem to read the age group and play appropriate music, can't say it bothers me much as I avoid the place now and have done for years...

I disagree that the English caused the problem by spending too much. IMO it was caused by Purachai's assault on the farang bar scene. He did more to destroy it that any man before or since, and it's never recovered from his destruction.

18 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Good comment!

I see from time to time YouTube videos about Nana, Cowboy, etc. And the new arrivals still can't believe how good it is - similar to my experience more than 20 years ago.

When I arrived in the land of smiles I though almost all girls are pretty. Now I think maybe 10% of them are according to my taste. But I pretty sure that even one of the average Nana girls would be a stunner compared to what's available "back home".

I am sure lots of things really changed. But a big part is also what we remember from the time when we were young(er) and the first time in Thailand.

Having last been in Pattaya, I was impressed by how good looking most of the dancers were in Nana. Most were at least an 8 out of 10, and quite a few 10s around as well.

What was conspicuous by their absence were ugly girls, fat girls and those with stretch marks. In Pattaya, those were in abundance. Which is not to say that I dislike Pattaya, but the standard of girl's beauty has decreased significantly since the 90s, there.

7 hours ago, poanoi said:

srsly ?

try empathize for a single second, or are you in an advanced senile state ?

imagine for a second you were a toyboy, and a 69 yo brat with skin that no longer

re-shape when she changes position, fake teeth that pop out on occasion,

wants some hanky panky with you !

a girl wanted me to shag her to get her spirit up since she had an old punter

that she was suppose to meet later on, she literally cringed at the very thought of

that lose skin. she was in a state of acute distress.

i have been to a bar where hookers rented young men so as to not get

burned out shagging ole geezers,

the consensus among them is there is no sexual attraction towards anyone

above 50, pretty much same as for us men

I can't believe you actually know much about the scene. They just do it for the money, and care not for looks. It has always been so. Do you imagine that Hugh Heffner's young girlfriends thought he was sexy in his last days?

If a hooker is "distressed" by loose skin, she is in the wrong occupation.

1 hour ago, lovelomsak said:

I feel you got it right on as far as the girls are concerned. They have changed so much in baditude. Costs have gone up service gone down. All the young guys never saw it in the old days so cannot compare just judge us as old farts.We were treated like gold by the girls and never pushy.

  That was also the age of Thai wives. When the bar girl would leave the bar to stay with you and take care of you like a devoted doting wife. When you went home she went back to the bar.If you came back the next year she would do the same again That was at that time what was called a thai wife, more like a concubine.. At the end of your holiday you simply gave her around  10,000 or more if you wanted and she was happy.

  Trying to explain how it was to young guys is like trying to explain to them life before mobile phones and internet.

I found LOS just at the tail end of the "Thai wife" era, and count myself lucky. However, I never had one that would thank Buddha by praying at the foot of my bed, so I missed the best times.

However, those weeks long stays at the beach with a lovely lady were the best of my life.

All the young guys never saw it in the old days so cannot compare just judge us as old farts

So true. There's been a couple of them making comments on this thread about things they have no idea about.

Unless one was able to stay in Hollywood Royale till well after dawn, one really has no idea just how great Nana Plaza used to be. All that the new alterations are doing is, IMO, moving the deck chairs as the Nana Thaitanic sinks into oblivion.

I have no doubt that sometime in the future, the value of the land as a 5* hotel will exceed that of a Gogo complex. I think most girls work on line now anyway, which explains the demise of the Pattaya bar scene.

12 hours ago, Unsane said:

Definitely not insulting.  He has a point and relevant to the thread.  

 

I would normally expect that you old timers have enjoyed your past conquests but there comes a time to settle down.

Threads are for people that want to contribute because they find the subject interesting. If someone doesn't find the subject interesting enough to contribute meaningfully they don't have to even look at the thread.

That they only come on to insult other people says much about their character.

I wasn't aware that TVF was only for people and subjects that some posters think should be allowed.

On ‎5‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 8:42 PM, Here It Is said:

Let's hope they reunite in the best interests of their remaining children.  Very sad.

Why?

This was reportedly also his first time seeing the boy’s face in nearly four years.

They hadn't been together at least 4 years and she wouldn't let his own father see him. Doesn't sound like there is anything worth salvaging from that ex marriage.

However, he should at least be allowed to be part of his remaining children's lives.