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especially the SNP when it becomes clear there is no leaving and blew the one chance they had this century ... ahh well I guess some are born to rule, others to be ruled.

Well, at least for once a Brexiteer is honest about the state of (un)democracy in Ukania. Unelected people ruling over their vassal states. I get it why the Scottish would prefer to be part of the EU instead, where everyone is a sovereign, independent member state participating in a democratic process. 
 

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I have checked. You are wrong again.

 

I said I have no worries trading with the EU under WTO rules since most trade is done under WTO rules. This is correct 

 

https://fullfact.org/online/how-much-trade-wto-terms/

No, that’s not true. In fact, even the same source you’re quoting states that most countries trade with the EU not under WTO rules but have some sort of trade arrangement. 
 

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

You said "Only one country trades ONLY under WTO rules". 

 

That was a strawman argument, since I wasn't claiming we'd trade with everyone under WTO rules,

You claimed that most of the world’s trade is done under WTO rules. Refuting that claim is not “a strawman argument”. I simply pointed out that your statement is not correct. 

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

just that I wasn't concerned doing that with the EU until they stop sulking and agreed a deal.

 

Got it now? You're welcome.

 

“Of 135 non-EU full members of the World Trade Organisation, 58 currently trade with the EU under negotiated trade terms, and another 47 have preferential access to EU markets.” 
https://fullfact.org/europe/who-trades-eu-under-wto-rules/

Got it now? You’re welcome. 

30 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Arguing against a strawman again. Typical Remainer tactic ????.

 

Nobody is suggest we trade ONLY under WTO rules.
 

Please check what I was replying to before you post something. I was refuting your claim that “most trade is done under WTO rules”. That doesn’t seem to be the case. 
 

So I now understand you are back peddling from your initial argument (it can’t be that bad because most trade is done under WTO rules) to actually we don’t want to trade under WTO rules, we will have many trade deals, even with the EU eventually?   

30 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

We have many trade deals with other countries signed and many more in the pipeline.

Really? What are those? 

3 minutes ago, micmichd said:

Partly correct. 

I'm also an intellectual, and many say I'm elite and hate me for this. But sad to say, most of those call themselves left-wingers. 

Well, then you just refuted your own assertion that Germans have nothing to be proud of (I assume you are proud of what you have achieved if others call you’re “elite”). 

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Oh no they didn't.

Yes,

they

did  

Multiple

times.

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

No they haven't.

Yes, they did. Multiple times. ???? 

11 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

So do you really honestly believe - despite the views of an overwhelming majority of financial experts- that the UK will be better off economically outside the EU? 
 

Brexiteers in this forum have admitted they don’t care about the economy. 
 

11 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Ah, a new Brexit thread - TVF has another anti-Brexit Reuters press release.

Yet still here you are, reading Reuters, while there are certainly many other options out there that you approve of. (I’m not constantly hanging around in the Daily Express comments section complaining about their reporting; in fact, I have removed them an many others from Google News for a long time already.)

27 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

WTO it is then.

 

The vast majority of trade is done on WTO terms. No problem.

There is only one country in the world that trades only under WTO rules: Mauritania. Its GDP is $4,714million (0.2% of the UK’s), 50% of its exports consist of Iron Ore, and between 1% and 17% of the population still live in slavery. And even Mauritania does benefit from preferential treatment from certain developed nations (the EU amongst them), where Mauritania’s exports in certain categories (everything but arms) are not charged import duties, but those countries goods can have tariffs added when being imported into Mauritania.

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And now lots of Germans scream again "we're a country without soil!" 

Only a small minority of idiots screams that. 
 

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There's absolutely nothing those Germans can be proud of. 

I have a lot of friends in Germany who are very proud of their PhDs and excellent positions they are in. Or the little real estate empires that have amassed. Maybe you only know Germans who didn’t achieve anything to be proud of (and that’s why you find them on Internet boards spreading their right-wing nonsense). 

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

The UK was the member, not England. Just so you know for next time.

 

The EU never paid for anything for the UK anyway. We were a net contributor. That means we paid for the paupers. Nobody paid for us. Now we keep that money to spend on ourselves. Capiche?

This is what you wrote: “The difference is that now we can spend the money rebuilding our own economy, instead of the economies of Poland, Hungary etc.“ So there really is no difference. EU members are spending money to rebuild their own economy. That economy includes countries like Poland and Italy. Same as your economy includes Wales and Northern Ireland. Our economy is called the single market. Yours is called the UK. 
 

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The difference is that the UK doesn't have to pay to rebuild the pauper EU economies like Poland and Hungary. They spend it on rebuilding the UK economy, putting the money where they like, when they like.

 

It's not really a difficult concept.

And the EU doesn’t have to pay to rebuild Covid-hit England either. So where’s the difference? Everyone’s paying for themselves. 

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

The difference is that now we can spend the money rebuilding our own economy, instead of the economies of Poland, Hungary etc.

Where’s the difference? Isn’t that what the EU is doing? 
 

Just now, JonnyF said:

Also, the money can be spent now, we don't have to wait until some time next year for the EU bailout money to finally arrive through 100's of layers of red tape (although in fairness the date it is spent is irrelevant to Britain since we'd be the ones paying it not the ones receiving it).

What red tape exactly makes it to arrive when exactly? 
 

And what money exactly can the UK spend now that EU member states cannot spend now? 

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

Are you starting to see the real, tangible benefits of Brexit yet? I saw 100 Billion very real reasons this past week.

I saw the old Brexit lie of “undemocratic” exposed yet again, where the EU showed the whole world that a union of states can democratically decide together — something the UK seems to be incapable of, treating its member states like vassals. 

They didn’t have an orange mask with tiny little hands drawn on it? Anyway, good that you backpeddled, Mr. Covid. 

Just now, Andrew65 said:

The EU has been in discussions with the African Union in recent times, I suspect they were discussing how many people they're going to let in, I'm not sure how the Italian people feel about this.

"The African Union and European Union promote a constructive and multidimensional approach to migration that complements existing dialogues and frameworks."

Yeah. When you already have trade deals with dozens of markets, including your own huge single market, you can move on to next. Let’s see what the UK comes up with once it doesn’t have access to all those trade deals anymore. ???? 

54 minutes ago, Andrew65 said:

The population of Africa is predicted by the UN to triple by 2050, from 800 million now, to 2.4 billion. I don't think economic growth will come even close to compensating. The Med is gonna continue to be very busy with small boats.

Another “untapped market” for Brexiteers to make trade deals with after China, EU, and US have failed. 

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The Scot's had their once in a lifetime referendum a few years back and voted to remain in the Union, but again Wee Burnie keeps harping on from the cheap seats whilst having  her cake and eating it.

Members of the EU: Sovereign, independent nations who can freely decide about their membership anytime. 
 

Members of the UK: Vassals of England who have to ask the unelected rulers to leave. “You had a referendum, now be quiet!”

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The EU have just proved what a mess they're in with all the squabbling over the past few days.

Members of the EU: Sit down four days in a row to democratically decide together with every member having a veto. 
 

Members of the UK: Vassals of England, who see English people deciding their fate. 
 

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