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It’s good that we Europeans are helping each other.
 

It’s disappointing that we still don’t have enough balls to punish the Eastern-European populists and enemies of democracy. 

Wasn’t China one of those big untapped markets that Brexiteers wanted to do trade deals with which the EU couldn’t provide? That doesn’t seem to happen. 

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Wow, the europhiles are revolting, who'd have thought. ????????

I know you’re very obsessed about the EU and seeing “europhiles” everywhere. Had you for a moment relaxed a bit and read the topic before letting yourself getting triggered again, you wouldn’t look like a fool now. 

1 hour ago, nattaya09 said:

Redfield at the CDC a couple weeks ago said they estimated, based on antibody tests, the US case numbers at 10x the documented cases which would put the US number at 30 million.  Drops the mortality rate down to 0.5% and building more herd immunity than thought

I remember a recent study wasn’t so sure about immunity anymore as antibodies in previously infected people seemed to have dropped significantly after 3 months already. 

29 minutes ago, cantata said:

The problem under discussion is the plight of the poorer southern nations in the Eurozone. They do not have the same recourse to stimulating their economy as do nations outside the Eurozone. They cannot run large deficits to stimulate their economy. They have to get the consent of all the other nations in the EU to borrow funds above what their prescribed budget deficit would allow. 

This is a different question. I didn’t comment on this one. I refuted your claim that member states need (1) an own currency, and/or (2) consent for stimulus measures. Both is not the case and I provided an example which proves that your claims are wrong. The fact that some countries have different fundamentals than others doesn’t change that.  

 

25 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

That link takes me to a Facebook page on Trump!

Wait, that’s not BoJo? 

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

I actually asked for facts to show how we will be better off after Brexit; which you have yet again failed to provide!

Brexiteers presenting the opportunities of Brexit

Just now, cantata said:

As I pointed out to you, Germany has been accumulating a surplus for years. So they don't have to exceed their deficit limit to spend and stimulate their economy. That's not true for the economically weaker southern nations. What's so hard to understand about that? It's perfectly straightforward.

You claimed that stimulus packages require an own currency and consent from other EU member states. It’s not true. Germany doesn’t have an own currency. Germany didn’t seek anyone’s consent for its stimulus package. 
 

2 minutes ago, cantata said:

Well the issue is how do the southern Eurozone nations get to stimulate their economies. Being member sof the Eurozone makes them dependent upon the permission of all the other members of EU.

As I said, that’s not true. See Germany, for example. 

Just now, cantata said:

Because they didn't exceed their debt limit. Germany can do that since it's been running a surplus for many years.

...which is a different discussion then. I was replying to your claim that stimulus packages require an own currency and/or consent. Which is not the case. 

1 minute ago, cantata said:

Absolutely false. Eurozone rules prohibit members from running deficits above a stipulated level. No eurozone member can issue Euros in echange for debt above the prescribed limit.
If what you're saying is, in fact,  the case, then why do they need a unanimous approval for loans? Why do they need any other nation's approval at all?

You claimed EU member states need an own currency to implement stimulus packages. You also claimed EU member states need consent to implement stimulus packages. Both is not correct. Germany, for example, just implemented a stimulus package. They have the Euro and they didn’t require anyone’s consent for it. 

On 7/17/2020 at 6:37 AM, webfact said:

 

Dutch opposition and a threat of a Hungarian veto weigh on chances for a deal on the EU's 2021-27 budget envisaged at slightly above 1 trillion euros and an attached new recovery fund worth 750 billion euros meant to help rebuild the southern economies affected the most by the crisis.

Once again, the Brexiteers’ lies exposed. 
 

EU: Member states decide democratically together and have a veto. 
UK: Member states are vassals of England. 

1 hour ago, cantata said:

if each member of the EU had its own currency, it could have chosen to take whatever stimulus measures it chose to do without waiting for a consensus.

That’s not true. They don’t need an own currency for that. They can take whatever stimulus measure they want. They don’t need anyone’s consent for it. 

52 minutes ago, cantata said:

This entire problem could have been avoided if the Euro had never been created.

So can we just go back to Italian Lira and Greek Drachma to eradicate Covid? Maybe add some bleach to it? 

4 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Accept the referendum and the election result you whiners. You lost both times. Move on. Thread closed.

Nooo, it’s so much fun ???? 

6 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

1,114 divided by 50 states that would be 22 people called in each state? I find that the sample size here is statistically nonsense.

Because you don’t know much about empirical research, I presume. 
 

6 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Of the 22 people how many misheard the question? How many did not understand the question, how many were underage kids lying on the phone etc etc. Just my opinion, sure everyone has one.

...and you have never worked with a professional research firm like Ipsos, apparently. 

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

I'm quite capable of it, just not going to waste my time explaining to you and your entrenched position.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10159063952776800&id=7976226799

2 minutes ago, DaLa said:

I don't need to tell them, they already know that they have up to 17 days of refrigerant available. Or just ship from New Zealand instead, refrigerated for 39 days. 

I think you don’t know what “just-in-time” means.