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4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Trying to mould vastly different cultures and economies into a single happy club was never going to work. Especially when the prudent, wealthy northern "states" were supposed to transfer their wealth to the southern basket cases

Seemed to be working for the UK (until now). 

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Remainers adding things to the ballot question , things like, "Did you want to half leave and half stay ?*

You cannot “half leave and half stay”. The UK has left the EU. It’s no longer an EU member. That is what people voted for according to the ballot paper. It’s done.
 

Still brexiteers try to tell others people in fact voted for many other things, such as the details of a free trade agreement, which, of course, was never part of the referendum and ballot paper. 

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

Too many bad losers remainers are more concerned what was not written on the ballot paper, than what was actually written on it, just to refresh your memory.

 

 

There you have it. Nowhere on the ballot paper does it say anything about how a free trade agreement may or may not look like with regards to fishing rights, ECJ, state aid, etc. Still some Brexiteers like to make that up. 

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

Now if you want to cherry pick comments that some politicians made after the referendum that is entirely your choice, but it would not have made a scrap of difference to the outcome of the referendum because subject to what remainers come up with, people actually did know what they were voting for how ever much spin you want to put on it.

Cherry-picking what some people said and then claiming it was written in invisible ink on the ballot paper is what Brexiteers do. 

41 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

When a country like the UK wants to protect itself like its fishing, like its business then the named lot start stamping and kicking their feet.

I haven’t seen anyone “stamping and kicking their feet”. Except the UK maybe who seems to feel a great need to tell everyone that it “won’t blink first” and want to be “taken seriously”. 

44 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The illegals trying to become immigrants are the EU's business. They are allowed to enter through various southern EU states and camp in France before they even reach the UK borders.

Really? Under what law or agreement are people that the UK considers “illegals” EU business? There’s none. If the UK has a problem with “illegal immigrants” then that’s the UK’s problem.

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

What is the EU doing about the illegal immigrants, who, after all entered the EU mostly from the Mediteranean, traveled across safe haven countries including France, and then are helped to cross the English Channel.

The UK’s borders are not the EU’s business. The UK has taken back control. 

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

The Scots had a referendum in 2014.

That won’t stop the Scottish people from leaving it seems. 

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

All you seem to want to do is wish insignificance for the UK.

Brexit has achieved that already. 

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

Who will the SNP blame when they have finally rid themselves of the so loathsome English, nationalists need someone to hate, that's how they function. 
 

They could ask some Brexiteers how to do it. They’re facing the same problem. 

35 minutes ago, vogie said:

These are the rules in a prelude to the Scottish referendum taken in 2014, should you wish to ignore it and interpreted in a different context to which it is written that is entirely up to you.

It’s not up to me. It’s up to the Scottish people. 
 

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I can only give you evidence which you always twist to your liking. Enough of you!

 

 

 

Thank you for providing the proof that it doesn’t stipulate that the Scots can have another vote “in another 45 years” as you claimed. Just like I told you. 
 

22 minutes ago, vogie said:

Not my rules, the rules were spoken by Sturgeon and Salmond and were written down in the Edinburgh agreement.

No, the Edinburgh agreement doesn’t stipulate that “in another 45 years you can have another vote” as you claimed. So this seems to be your rule alone. 
 

And why would millions of Scots have to follow the rule of Sturgeon and Salmond anyway?

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

 It's also just another example of the stranglehold that the EU has over its members, especially those who are trying to leave. (...) which tie up members in a great ball of a granny knot.

That’s not a nice way of saying “I got used to all the benefits but I want them for half the price now”. Fact is, members are free to leave anytime they want, but they’ll have to find a new gym or a replacement for the amenities themselves when they want to “take back control” and be “sovereign”. 

7 hours ago, Loiner said:

These are trade negotiations between the UK and EU. There are no other external factors, just the two participants. 

A negotiation obviously is with someone external; you don’t need to negotiate with yourself. The EU is an external factor to the UK and vice versa. So if the UK blames the EU for not getting a trade deal, then the UK is admitting that it did a bad job in planning (or a bad decision in the first place). 
 

And yes, the same holds true for any other issue that involve the actions of external factors. Whether it’s a FTA negotiation, a salary negotiation, a product development, or a pandemic. Being in charge means anticipating and managing external factors, not letting it happen and then blaming what was your job to manage. 

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Maybe it's because they are the one's who kept us on the hook with a transition period because they needed our ongoing contributions and thought they could continue trying to fool us into a BRINO. Well that's not happening.

You gotta do your homework. The EU can’t keep anyone “on the hook with a transition period”. That was the UK’s decision. 
 

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Because it's the EU's fault, as usual.

It can’t be the EU’s fault because the EU is an external factor. You can only blame what’s under your control. By blaming an external factor you’re admitting that you did a bad job at planning and mitigating that external factor (or a bad decision in the first place).
 

Like saying it’s the customers’ fault that your bag of hot air isn’t selling the way you predicted. 

Or like saying 180,000 deaths is the Coronavirus’ fault. 
 

8 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

I'm not whining about freedom of contract. I'm simply explaining why the terms are unacceptable. 

I thought you were:

8 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

After decades of UK contributions, the EU should not be discriminating against the UK by offering us a deal with strings attached.

But good if we agree that giving different business partners different conditions is not “discriminating” but just business 101. I wouldn’t expect the UK to give Zimbabwe the same conditions as the US either. 

Just now, CG1 Blue said:

You've completely misunderstood the EU position if you think this is a fair analogy. The wine dealer is not simply asking for a higher price. He's asking to have some control over my business after he's sold me the wine. 

Yes. It’s called freedom of contract. And not everyone goes on an Internet forum to whine about it. Most people just accept it as a key pillar of free markets. 

20 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The EU don't have the same strings attached when they negotiate trade deals with other countries. So they are discriminating against the UK. 

You should never run an own business if your idea is to give every business partner the same conditions in order to not be “discriminating” anyone.
 

And please don’t call your wine dealer and complain about being discriminated because you don’t get the same price as the customer who 500 instead 5 bottles.