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Many countries have nuclear weapons. So does the US. Unfortunately. 

33 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

It means bought and own and live in their condo. They need to have consideration for these people. Dropping 1-2-3 million for a condo is not chicken scratch.

Does that apply to all countries or is only Thailand so generous “to have consideration for these people”? For example, could my Chinese friend just buy a condo in Florida or London and that would give him permanent residency? 
 

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Trade agreements with other countries could wipe most of these out completely.

Really? What trade agreements specifically would wipe out what and how? 
 

Just looking at the very first in the list: dairy products. 

1) 91% of UK dairy exports go to the EU. You’re pretty much losing your only customer. You need to find a new customer who’s willing to buy c. 1 Mt of dairy products per year. 

2) That 1 Mt is about half the dairy imports of China, and about the dairy that Russia imports. It’s twice the amount of what Mexico, Algeria, Indonesia and Japan import. Those are the biggest dairy importers (excluding the EU) in the world. 
 

3) UK’s dairy industry is not particularly competitive. And I’m talking production cost here. Any tariffs go on top and make your product even less competitive. 
 

So who are you going to sell all that overpriced dairy products to? 

52 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Where in that agreement does it say "Once in a generation?".

It is written in the same invisible ink that only Brexiteers read which also wrote on the referendum ballot paper that “no deal is ok, BRINO is not”. 
 

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It is therefore not a question of "if" Scotland should be allowed a new referendum, but only of "when" - 40 years, 18 years or less.

Why would a sovereign nation need someone’s permission for a referendum or for independence? So that’s the real question here: Does the UK want to continue treating its members like colonies or will it start acting like a democracy?
 

Of course, we know the answer.

After Brexit, you have now two unions competing, with the EU offering much more clout, better benefits, the freedom to leave anytime, and no Brexiteers and their incompetence and lies. Same as the Soviet states had to force their people to stay, the UKSSR is keeping its member states as prisoners to prevent its failing club from collapsing. But eventually that will happen.  

6 minutes ago, teatree said:

I think you need to distinguish between two different definitions of what country means.

 

The UK is a country.  Technically speaking.  It has a capital (London) and its goverenment is elected by the constituants of whole of the UK and represented at Westminster.  THIS IS THE SOVEREIGN STATE.  

 

England, NI, Scotland and Wales are also countries individually but not in the same sense.  It is more of a culural and ethnic sense of the word.

That’s your very own definition. No, I don’t need to distinguish that way if I don’t agree to your definition.

6 minutes ago, teatree said:

  Individually these countries may have some devolution but they are still underneath the UK. So no, individually they are not sovereign states.  The sovereign state is the UK.

Scotland used to be a sovereign state until it entered into a political union with the Kingdom of England. It now has lost its sovereignty, and cannot decide its fate on its own. That’s fundamentally different from being a member of the EU. 

Of course, you can keep telling the UK’s member states that they are actually not real countries, and therefore they must obey to be ruled by the real country which is the UK. Just imagine the EU had told the UK that it’s actually not a real country, or at least “not in the same sense. It is more of a culural and ethnic sense of the word.” and, therefore, it is up to the EU to decide whether and how the UK may leave the union or not. (And maybe someone would have pointed towards the 1975 referendum and told the UK that it had its vote already which is to be respected.) 

4 minutes ago, teatree said:

You could say that about any country.  If England wanted out it would need permission from Westminster (that is how a country works).  If Lombardy wanted out of Italy it would need to go through Rome. Etc etc etc.

EU member states don’t need ask for permission to leave (or even just permission to hold a referendum). 

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The difference is that the UK is one of the very few countries willing to allow democracy to follow its course and let the people decide.

It doesn’t. If it did, it would let the Scots decide their own fate. But it doesn’t. 
 

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Therefore calling it the UKSSR is frankly absurd and makes you look like a rabid English hater.

I’m just using the Brexiteer rhetoric and turn it against them. I don’t hate England. 

41 minutes ago, teatree said:

Ha...if the UK is such an oppressive, Soivet style dictatorship then why did it allow a democratic referendum on Scotland leaving?  What a load of dribble.

You answered your own question: As a vassal state in the UKSSR, you have to beg someone to “allow” you a referendum. If Scotland was a sovereign state, it could decide these matters on their own. That’s how being an EU member is different from being an UKSSR vassal. 

45 minutes ago, teatree said:

Hardly true independence if you are then to go into the EU is it?

Get out of the UK, don't join the EU, and become a truly independent country.  I would respect that. 
 

EU members are sovereign. They can leave whenever and however they please. They are not forced to join. They have veto rights. They discuss four days and nights until everyone agrees. Compare that to being a vassal state of the UKSSR.

5 minutes ago, scammed said:

the final bill isnt even in sight yet, but you can look at the multi trillion dollars stimulus/aid packages

are being suggested to get a sense where its going

You wrote “more costly”. That means you are comparing two numbers. What are those two numbers and how did you come up with it? 

5 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

what rights do they have in UK?

The rights the UK will have to grant if it wants the right of tariff-free access to the single market in return.