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Since we are in a military rule right now they should offer these men a life in prison for their info or a firing squad if they dont talk. They have already as much as admitted their guilt in their demands. So a firing squad would not be out of order

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Death sentence for not giving more than name rank and serial number?

You've studied under Pol Pot I see!

AFAIK Insurance here never covers accesories

AFAIK Insurance?

Never heard of them. Are they any good?

Lumpini Park, perhaps?

Or perhaps not. No alcohol in Lumpini or any other park for that matter.

You should all read Snowing in Bali.

A task force of 70 working probably working OT for a week to catch this guy.

on the conservative side thats 70 man weeks or ~1.5 man years.

at $70K for the average cop on the task force and that comes out to $100K in salary spent

Add 30% for benefits and an additional 30% for OT work and the manpower expense becomes ~$170k

and thats before all the materials, equipment, petrol, vehicle usage, etc.

( sorry, I cant help it. I have program management in my soul)

Money well spent in my books!

What a nutcase!

Erm, you're not talking about yourself, are you?

You forgot to add in coffe and donuts!

I went to get a new Non-immigrant O in Vientiane last week and the guy in front of me was on 12 years overstay. He had his old and new passport and the immigration officer was friendly and joked around before sending him over to the overstay counter to pay his fine. I saw him at the embassy later that day.

My point is that most immigration officers don't think of overstay as a serious offence. That will probably change with the rules enforcement coming soon. For now it only seems to be fellow expats who get all worked up.

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So, this guy was overstaying in Laos, right?

 

 

Wrong. The Thais do not think Filipinos are native speakers.

 

It's pretty much a fact, legalties aside, that a non-degree holding farang, is more desirable than a qualified Filipino teacher.

 

 

 

It is not "wrong" my friend. You need to get out more. I've talked with at least one hundred Thai's who think Filipinos are native speakers of English, including school administrators, Thai teachers, Labor Department workers and management, and Immigration officials. I've also talked with taxi drivers and of course, prostitutes. 

 

I'm not sure about your second point. I would disagree as I think a real college degree from an accredited University in a western country where English is what is spoken is something which shows a certain level of education and maturity. I'm talking about actually attending for four years, not "online" etc.. But some disagree as you have stated above.

 

Well gee Bruce, I don't know what your line of business is, but I do know mine and I deal with school administartion. In particular the people who hire English teachers.

I don't think taxi drivers and hookers are going to add much to the debate, but don't let that stop you from 'getting out so much'.

So, you can line your 100 up anytime you like and they can come and convince the school admin and parents who refuse to pay for an MEP course run by a Filipino, regardless of their qualification that they are indeed NES. Good luck with that.

I think the final nail in this argument's coffin is that Thai schools will only pay around 60-70% for a Filipino teacher against a NES to perform the exact same job.

My second point from the quote simply states that a non-degreed farang is acceptable over a degree-holding Filipino teacher to Thai admin and parents.

The Thai's think the Filipinos are Native English Speakers and the Filipino Teachers can earn triple the wage paid in the Philippines. In addition of course, they don't mind sharing living quarters. The solution for the Thai schools will as is already trending, to hire more and more Filipinos and there is no shortage of people from the Islands willing to work for triple what they could earn staying in the Philippines. The writing is not only on the wall, but proven by a visit to most schools. 

Wrong. The Thais do not think Filipinos are native speakers.

When schools begin MEP or Intensive English programs they do it for one reason; to make money.

The sale point to parents is the students will study with native English speakers, not Filipino, not Irish, not German, not African.

Schools that have have a limited budget are happy to employ Filipinos at 60% of the farang wage and the Filipinos accept this, as it's more than they can get at home.

It's pretty much a fact, legalties aside, that a non-degree holding farang, is more desirable than a qualified Filipino teacher.

If the regulations were to be strictly enforced, that teachers must have a degree, the Thai schools' English programs would all but collapse.

I can't see that happening, so somewhere in the not too distant future, I expect a sensible (if that is possible in Thailand) solution to arise.

If you were concerned about your child's education, you would want a qualified teacher running the lessons, not a qualified engineer, or someone with a degree in management, media, political science, or visual arts. Similarly, you wouldn't want a backpacker, shelf-stacker or a real-estate agent/car salesman, for the same reasons.

It's obvious that Thailand will never be able to pay the money to attract qualified teachers to wrestle with 55 noisy, unmotivated 14 year olds in a non airconditioned shithole, that passes as a school in Thailand.

As close as possible to commonsense will prevail in the next few months.

I know this gynecologist...

Indra shopping centre has dozens of Indians selling cameras and the like. How is it done?

Probably Thai nationals.

So I was told. Buying up ID cards from Kanchanaburi

To all the "work permit" comments the story quite clearly states:

The Swiss man said he mastered the skill to cook pad thai three years ago and has been "helping" his wife earn a living by cooking the dish in their hometown ever since.

So if all he is doing is helping his wife why should he need a work permit?

i was under the impression (gathered from talking to many farang business owners) that even sweeping crumbs off a table or answering a ringing phone was classed as 'working' and would result in being deported........surely they didnt ALL lie to me?

...and while youre here maybe someone can throw some light on the indian suit sellers that work alone without 4 thais and the indian restaurants that are full of indians but no thais......how does that work?

I'd certainly be interested in that answer as well. Indra shopping centre has dozens of Indians selling cameras and the like. How is it done?

Personally know of a school that has Ed visas but doesn't have classes.

And the customers are not your regular 'farang'. No yanks, brits or aussies.

It's obviously just a business to provide visas and I'm sure it's not the only place operating this way.

Pattaya and Phuket must have dozens

Though I am a big fan of what the military is doing (anti corruption, against the usual mafia, beach clean ups, etc etc), it is starting to look like more of a witch hunt and pay-back time, rather than "rule of law".

I tend to think the same.

The junta seems to be able to solve crimes with ease, something the police couldn't do during Yingluck's tenure.

I've always held the view that a significant number of people 'in the know' from both sides are aware of exactly who is behind any number of crimes from both sides of the political spectrum.

To learn that Kuntee, previously well respected as a poet and anti-les maj campaigner, is now involved with the more extremist wing of the red shirts, comes as a surprise.

Surely some of the other more outspoken redshirt leaders must have close ties to the extremists as well. Will they be named and arrested?

During the previous coup, there was a spate of bomb blasts in Bangkok, killing and injuring several people. At the time, the military blamed the red shirts, but many people suggested the military was behind the blasts to reinforce the need for the coup. We never found out who was responsible.

During the recent occupation, the nightly attacks were often claimed to be the work of Suthep, as a means to provoke the army taking control.

Those attacks did eventually force the hand of the army.

Even the most cynical, anti-establishment supporters must be concerned as the evidence piles up against the red shirts(or at least a part of the movement) as being little more than a terrorist group. In fact, the claims made by the Suthep supporters is being proven true as each day passes.

I hope that the courts are able to do their job with the prosecution of the murderers and their accomplices. We might get closer to truth if they do.

I'm on the other side of this fence. For those never being in the scene its easy to call it stupid. I grew up street racing. Its sort of a passing. Some kids grew up being book worms, some play school sports, others did nothing, some learn how to tune and race cars and motorcycles on the street.

Going out and picking fights with people who don't look like me, and setting hobos on fire, and stealing cars for joy rides are rites of passage, too. I, too have fond memories of stuff I did that could have ended up as tragedy for innocent people. Young, dumb and bulletproof, we were. Yet, not all of us survived our teen years. (Most of what we did involved drinking until senseless, before, after, and while driving)

If the participants want to kill themselves, so be it. If it puts bystanders at risk, it needs to be stopped. Cordoned off areas and tracks are a great idea.

You set hobos on fire???

Rite of passage???

I'm shocked!

Does seem a bit harsh on those that get apprehended on the way to the airport with say 10 days of overstay and wont be allowed into Thailand for 5 years.

I suspect common sense would prevail... One would hope..... In that, if the overstayer was in possession of luggage and an in-date flight ticket out, then they would be allowed to proceed to airport immigration.

The document sets out different punishments for simply overstaying, and overstaying and being apprehended.

However, aren't you, technically, apprehended at the airport, by way of handing yourself in?

Sure, they will let you pay the fine and fly out, but wouldn't they also forbid you from entering Thailand for 1 year?

I may be wrong but I think the apprehension thing would refer to say, you step on your dick in some way and the police get involved and after checking find that you have over stayed ie involved in a bar fight or have a motor vehicle collision and come to their attention. Quite a lot of foreigners get caught this way.

If we're being honest, the main target of overstay is not really farang bar-flies, but in fact refugees that you may find in places like Suk soi 3.

Isn't there a double standard where you are from - can a rich man from Switzerland enter England more easily than a poor man from Nigeria? The world is full of double standards… anyone who has had a girlfriend knows this…

I follow your logic but can you. or anyone, explain how hundreds of Indians are able to work as salespeople in places like Indra, Platinum and Khao san?

This is very sad what a life for a baby,

very sad but not unusual for them to leave their child with anyone when bf.arrives,lets hope the child goes to someone who will love it.animals don't abandon its young.

Some animals eat their own young.

When the discount for a confession is so large, the obvious incentive is to confess to anything, particularly when possibly threatened with the death penalty.

Exactly. The police are under pressure to solve a high profile case. So the strategy the police use is this:

Threaten/torture/deprive some poor suspect and/or his family (he may not even be a suspect - just someone who would fit the picture) to the point where he will do almost anything to make them stop. Make it clear to the person that they will definitely be convicted on the evidence they have/witnesses etc and offer them the chance for the torture to stop and for him to avoid the death penalty by signing a written confession.

Then they're off to court where the jury/judge believes no innocent person would admit to the heinous crime of murder, therefore he must be guilty. Even if he retracts his confession, it is already working against him.

It works a treat, almost every time. The victim gets life or death and everyone, including many on this forum, feel good. The police get a commendation and media praise. Politicians talk up how they did well to get the Thai police to solve the crime. Job well done. So what's the problem. Be happy.

In the meantime, the murderous children of the great and good are indulging in sex, booze and drug parties in Singapore until the statute of limitations on their crimes run out.

Absolutely, the system is a joke. God knows how many plead guiilty or are set up as fall guys for others to take the rap, confess, do good behaviour and wait for a pardon a few years later.

The police look good, and someone gets to walk away.....

It's a pity God is keeping his mouth shut on the topic because then we wouldn't have to put up with all the 'knowledgeable' experts and their baseless speculation.

Why don't you go out on a limb and give us your expert opinion with a figure, a percentage perhaps?

Is it 5%?

20%

Don't worry, I won't ask you to back it up with facts.

I think that's my brother-in-law

A thread on Ajarn some years ago related the distressing tale of a school being raided and 2 teachers being arrested and deported.

I spoke with a teacher who was there at the time and he verified the event.

The school is on Phetkasem 69. I worked there for one day and I know the school provides work permits to teachers without degrees.

But in all my years here, it's the only time I've heard of it happening.

I hope he has adequate sources of income other than the clinic.

76million is a hell of a lot of sex-changes and boob jobs.

Life's not been good to her check those saggy breasts

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What a sad person you are.

As for the ex-model, it's another example of the rich and famous having one application of the law, where 250,000 signatures on a website scream 'injustice', whereas a poor Laos/hilltribe girl would have been sentenced to 25 years and no-one would give a toss.

Anyone know the local channel?

I feel sort of relieved now. My 6 year old daughter only cost me 5,000baht on Cookie Run.

Ahh...finally found the elusive channel 8.

Thanks guys