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36 minutes ago, Loiner said:I want the choice, not to be dictated to by the EU. My flour purchase, my decision.
You can keep your baguette in your boulangerie and I'll have Mother's Pride thanks.
Maybe you can add some fresh products from Japan ? Fukishima area for instance...
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14 minutes ago, Loiner said:I guess your British business contacts are all Remainer drama queens. Well they had better get used to it. They are in a very small minority of British businesses that export to the EU. Sounds like it's going to be more of a disaster for your own business that it could be for our nation.
Your Garuniad Brits in Spain don't even come into this equation. What have their moans got to do with import/export?
Boris the EU Beater gets my highest approval. If your EU business will be affected you had better talk to Mark Rutte.It seems you have problems in reading my text: thanks to Brexit my business goes better as ever as quite some EU industries and distributors ask me for alternatives to British origin.
Mark Rutte would like to keep the UK inside the EU, so just opposite...
As usual Brexiteers do not know the hard data:
World Bank: GDP in the United Kingdom was worth 2827.11 billion US dollars in 2019 Or in GBP: a 2218 B Out of that 290B were exports to the EU. Just a 13 %.
Tell these 13 % of UK workers, they loose their jobs = have less money to spend at the groceries, the hair cutters, to maintain their car, pay their house rent of mortgages etc.. and a LOT British will be involved. And for the rest: their tax money goes for a bigger part to those "very small minority of British" for EU workers, who lost their jobs.
Read the Circular flow of income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_flow_of_income , it's only a 260 years old.
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17 minutes ago, Loiner said:
Don't you believe that we don't manufacture anything these days? There won't be many UK workers laid off, but there probably will be rakes of them in the EU, particularly German car factories and I'm ROFLMAO at those.
Better get your FTA signed up when Boris gives you the new details.
Boris cannot keep his signature valid for even 12 months.
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22 minutes ago, Loiner said:
Sorry about your business contacts but we have a whole country to take care off. We really don't care about what happens to your EU business, but we can see that's what all your complaints are about. You represent the EU's position as a whole, which is something we have known for many years now. But we are out now and soon will be fully out without your EU masters demands. Why don't you complain to them?
When my British business contacts and British friends see dramatic situations ahead, I think it is a thread for the entire British community.
My EU business... could not get better as many EU manufacturers and distributors want to switch away from British origins. For that Boris the Liar would get the highest approval....
Here lies again a British disaster: cannot afford to live outside the Tiny Islands... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/03/fear-anger-stalk-britons-costa-del-sol-brexit and a lot more : "British pensionarios abroad in trouble caused by Brexit "
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6 minutes ago, Loiner said:I can see you are hoping for all this, but it's unlikely. EU tariffs on UK goods will only reduce the amount of imports, so all acceptable.
Explain that to the UK workers, who now make these things, and get layed off around 1 Jan 2021 as no alternative exports.
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2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:
That's only because it was forced on the UK.
Before then we used to buy from New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and Argentina.
When I lived in the UK, I purchased loads of stuff from the USA, much cheaper than France or Germany.
I'm sure other countries still have produce they'd like to sell to the UK.
Great,., fresh strawberries from Australia.. or cucumbers from South Africa. Of course, you can charter a Lear Jet to fly it in....
It is NOT about: "like to sell to the UK ", it is about... affordable for the UK consumers...
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2 minutes ago, Loiner said:
If you think that every truck is inspected you are wrong.
Not now, in the transition period. But..1 Jan 2021...
Not enough lorry scanners at Calais...
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11 minutes ago, Loiner said:
No it wasn't about food until you just decided so. Same difference though, if you want imported European food you can pay for it.
31 % of UK consumption originates from EU. So, get started in growing your own vegetables, fruits, meat, etc. Better today as tomorrow.
However, the REAL problem will be in the exporting make-industry and the commercial + financial services ( City of London) .
One advantage: less British pounds will flow to the EU during (holiday) trips, as.. Schengen visa, international driving licence+ Insurances. And.. big chance.. British cannot afford these trips anymore.
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28 minutes ago, Loiner said:
You can if you want to, but don't expect the UK to do so. Or are you so horrified by the possibility of some US chicken?
No, I am horrified so many business contacts since over 40 years and and friends in the UK are going to end up in deep sh.t. I saw then m climbing out at the late 70's, see https://www.economist.com/buttonwoods-notebook/2017/07/19/britain-back-to-being-the-sick-man-of-europe
Chlorified US chickens anyone simply can leave at the shop shelves.
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36 minutes ago, Loiner said:
You are still looking for problems, which I have already said I don't care about. It's paperwork, or not even that now, it's online declaration and payment work. If you are in the freight industry either get on with it or don't, but it won't make any difference to the UK not folding to EU demands.
No, it is NOT only paper work. it is "life" inspection by the UK custom officer, when something leaves the UK and again when something enters the EU ( and visa versa) . THAT's the trouble. And when more in/out as the custom officers can handle, you have a lorry traffic jam. As nearly every non-Brexiteer already forecasterd for years.
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4 minutes ago, Loiner said:
That's OK. I'm happy for the price of German luxury motors to increase in price. I won't be having another Porsche. Buy if you like - the option is always there. It will reduce the UK trade deficit with the EU.
Yes, together with no flowers and a lot less fresh foods... if.. the many unemployed when exports to EU fails, still can afford to buy these...
One advantage: British exports of fish might fall to zero seen +15% Import duty and a lot of veterinary fuzz, you the British menu will even be more "fish & chips".
It will NOT be: able to buy a German Porsche, but.. can you still afford a new spare part for your Nissan car, as 50% of the spare parts used in it are imported from the EU.
Are you still able to afford an Italian refrigerator or a washing machine ?
And the UK economy is really going to be hurt if the EU decides all trading in €uro's has to be under control of the ECB, so.. have to be based inside the €uro-land...
Even when businesses decide, better under the EU court in Strasbourg than under "common law" in London, it is finished with the City.
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1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:
I said they will still get money from the UK because of the tariffs which to the EU is free money. Its not free for the citizens of the EU who will have to pay them. But then again I also pointed out the EU citizens will most likely be able to source tariff free stuff from elsewhere in the EU. Its only going to be stuff that is unique to the UK which they will have to buy. Like Scotch Whisky. Wrong again.
Brexiteers. The only people who look at a house fire and think great. My heating bill is going to be cheaper this month.
Exactly. The GBP 8-10B net UK contribution tot he EU is "peanuts" compared to the EU import duty for inbound UK goods. Of course c.p. =ceteris paribus = all other circumstances stay the same.
MY forecast, with 43 years experience in international trade, is quite some EU imports from UK will switch to EU made. Remind competitive (dis)advantage is mostly just a few %. For EU imports from UK is mostly switchable, but UK imports from EU is for a substantial part fresh ( 31% of UK foods are imported from EU), for which it is not so easy to change in a couple of weeks.
Has ZERO to do with politicians, but all with probably decisions already made at purchasing boards of EU companies.
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38 minutes ago, Loiner said:The "third countries" list belongs to the EU. If they wish to delay and disrupt supplies to their industries they can. So it's imperative for European business to sort them out when the political posturing of Macron and Barnier has been seen to totally fail. I suspect German business has been working on Merkel for some time and the realisation has now set in, so they will probably find a way around it soon. Maybe you should do your part for the Netherlands?
The main point is that the UK will not back down from this because we have already left the EU. EU threats about third county listing has already caused issues with our internal borders, but our Internal Markets Bill resolves that. What will European business for their own supplies?
You forget: merchandise first have to LEAVE the UK....
Again: you do not have the faintest idea about custom clearance... going out the UK ( outbound at Dover c.s., has all to do with V.A.T.) and in the EU ( inbound at Calais c.s. = import duty + VAT).
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15 minutes ago, Loiner said:
You talk about the procedures for entering the UK, but the tread is about exporting to EU. You are driving on the wrong side of the road mate.
No, I am talking about both ways, but the most about importing into the EU as I see big problems for entering goods into the EU from "third countries", as I know these problems for imports from China, SE Asia, India, Sri Lanka, Africa, Latin America since 1977.
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3 hours ago, natway09 said:
Just another subject that the "non planners" did not even give a thought too.
Wait until the fishing industries start understanding just how it is going to be
15% import duty into the EU +all veterinarian fuzz... Ask the Thai fish exporters...
EU import conditions for seafood and other fishery products
EU import conditions for seafood and other fishery products The European Union (EU) is by far the world’s biggest importer of fish, seafood and aquaculture products. Import rules for these products are harmonised, meaning that the same rules apply in all EU countries.
Import fish from the EU from 1 January 2021 How to import fish for human consumption from 1 January 2021, the documents you may need and customs rules to follow. Published 22 August 2019
Non-EU country establishments database. Non-EU countries - Establishments list per sector; Non-EU countries - Establishments list per country; Bovine Holding Lists (Brazil) These consolidated lists are published in accordance with the requirements of Article 127 of Regulation (EU) 2017/625 and Commission Delegated Regulation (EU) 2019/625.
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3 hours ago, JonnyF said:
What a load of nonsense that site is.
Try checking REAL UK unemployment figures. See the huge spike after 2016? No, neither do I. Because there wasn't one.
Brexit did not start yet. Wait till April 2021 onwards...
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14 hours ago, RayC said:
But when? Businesses need to plan for the future. What about businesses who are part of a JIT process or deal with perishables? Their businesses will be severely impacted by delays.
Agreed but businesses shouldn't have to plan for numerous possible outcomes coming into effect in +/-3 months. They should be some definites by now.
And YOU believe buyers from retailers and processing industry did not prepare yet, by contracting alternatives, but wait to start thinking after 30 Dec 2020 ? ?
I have to supply raw materials to a Hungarian manufacturer, who thanks his new business to the switch from British products. it is already happening, whatever the outcome might be the coming 14 weeks... Bye Bye, Britain !
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5 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:
Good thing for seaports and ships and all.
Going by ship lasts a lot longer, even when ro-ro, lasts a lot longer than by truck over Calais-Dover. Good for your fresh things in- and exports.
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What astonished me the most: all think ceteris paribus = all other conditions will stay the same.
Not so many retail organisation will give shop space to products they do not know that the purchasing price will be seen import duty, but especially.. just-in-time deliveries.
For any industry: who will take the risk, necessary raw materials, spare parts, components will arrive just-in-time when they can be purchased just a few % from other sources ?
You think BMW-Mini in Borne (NL) will take the risk for... British shock absorbers ( + 10% import duty), when they also can get them a few % higher in price as the present - without the new import duty price - ex... Italy/ Romania, but.. absolutely sure... 20 -24 h after ordering delivered at their warehouse ?
There will NOT be so much trucks in a traffic jam... as there will be a lot less business...
You really think the EU will buy British caught fish for 15% higher as fish caught by EU trawlers ?
Second: UK is no longer under the EU safety food umbrella, so..get your EU fish licence and IFS as BRC is no longer valid. Ask the Thai fish or food exporters....
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15 hours ago, Loiner said:Who were you again? Yes, it's certainly to hell with all you on the other side of the channel. That's not what the report says - it only refers to UK trucks entering the EU having delays. Nothing about UK inbound or buses and cars - you made that up, like your saving millions.
You clearly do not have even the beginning of knowledge what freight forwarders have to do for entring goods into the UK from a country/territory the UK has no agreements with ( in case of a Hard Brexit per 1 Jan 2021, a 12 weeks from now).
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15 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:To me it sounds like Gove is simply warning companies to prepare, make sure paperwork is in order and make any necessary procedural changes. If companies ignore the advice there will be hold ups. Why anti-Brexiters have to be such drama queens over simple advisory announcements I'll never know.
1) You cannot make up documents for goods which are not loaded yet.
2) the customs of the UK have to verify AND INSPECT
3) the same at the EU border
Just get the beginning of experience what freight forwarders have to do, leaving the EU / entering the EU from a "third country". I expect leaving UK 1 Jan 2021 onwards will not differ much from leaving the EU now to a non-associated / not treaty country like Russia, Iran, Pakistan.
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16 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:
What magic paperwork is that exactly that prevents a business from ending up in a two days delay?
For sure you have ZERO experience with customs clearing ( and inspection)
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19-05-2020 · From 1 January 2021, the UK will apply a UK-specific tariff to imported goods. This UK Global Tariff (UKGT) will replace the EU’s Common External Tariff, which applies until 31 December 2020.
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30-04-2019 · The UK has left the EU, and the transition period after Brexit comes to an end this year. This page tells you what you'll need to do from 1 January 2021. It will be updated if anything changes.
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As a member of the European Union (EU), the UK currently enjoys preferential market access to 40 of the 70 countries that have trade relations with the EU. In the event of a no-deal Brexit, with no new agreements to compensate for the loss of the previous ones, the UK will have to follow the World Trade Organisation’s MFN (Most Favoured Nation) tariffs while exporting goods.
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The EU supports businesses wanting to import into the EU by providing clear facts on the rules and requirements for importing into the EU. The information here is aimed at helping both European firms wanting to import products to the EU and exporters from outside the EU who want to export their products to the EU.
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10-04-2019 · If the UK leaves the EU with No Deal then importing from the EU will be as if trading with the rest of the world as the UK will have Third Country status. Transitional Simplified Arrangements Under import processes for trading with the rest of the world, goods are not released from customs control until you make a full import declaration and pay the duty you owe in full.
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8 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:You are new to these threads. Many, many TV posters are very angry, so you are excused as you have not followed these threads since 2014.
I agree with this we do not consider ourselves as European. One reason we will never accept the Euro.
That is fine. How would you as french feel if the UK could come into France and have 60% of the farming space for food? I imagine you wouldn't be too happy. Well that's what the EU do.
The is a big world outside the EU which I think you and many others forget. The French people I have spoken wish they had Frexit. In fact why wont the EU give everyone a vote to leave as they are such democratic loving people.
I think we all know that.
Maybe time to look also in some other ( British) publications ?
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33 minutes ago, david555 said:The EU is examining two main options: taking the UK to the European court of Justice or continuing the negotiations and then presenting the British government with the choice of dropping the relevant clauses of the internal market bill in order to secure a trade deal or leaving without an agreement. “It is up to the UK now,” said an official.
(very simple..... not forgetting the European 27 parlaiments have each to vote ...or VETO....no diplomatic Barnier anymore ....pure hard politics ???? )
In these 3 1/2 months all parliaments of all 27 EU member states have to accept. If nothing comes to an acceptance, we have per 1 Jan a Hard Brexit and are the tiny islands west of the EU "third country".
But.. is there really any Brit, who do not start to think what their EU customers are doing and did already ? Your really think there are many EU retail organisations, who accept a gamble on their purchasing prices and.. deliveries in time ? Or reserve their shops shelf spaces for goods they really can rely on ? ?
You think there are any industrial users of British raw materials, spares or components who trust on just-in-time supply and did not contract reliable sources inside the EU ?
As international supermarket and industrial buyer since 1977 I can tell you: his battle is already fought and NOT won by the British. 2021 is already a lost year for the British exports.
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I think we all know that.
EU-bound trucks from UK could face two-day delays after Brexit, Britain says
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yes, coming in from the UK and Ireland