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1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:
Like Macron said, a deal but not at any price. Same for the UK as for the EU.
Either both change or it will be no deal.
Neither want that.
Only... the 450 mln EU block can afford it a lot easier as the tiny British Isles with 67 mln
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8 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:
The EU should give Britain what it wants.....that IS THE COMprOMISE THAT IS NEEDED. They weren't demanding all this stuff with the Canadian agreement were they. Cut the apron strings Boris and tell the EU to get lost.
Please read the CEPA agreement, and it will be clear Boris the Liar is again swindling the British
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6 minutes ago, Loiner said:A business group of 70 wants to continue negotiations because for them too much is at stake? The group does not represent the man in the street, but their own vested business interests. Many of the group are also EU based companies or owned/managed by Europeans, so their definition of what is at stake will not be the best for the UK or the man in the UK street.
The man in the street gave his opinion of what he wanted in the referendum, then reinforced that decision in the 2019 General Election to get Brexit done.When the "man in the street" will discover his job is gone - and not for a few weeks but for many years to come - , just as these business group of 70 so often warned for, I am curious, what happens then. Maybe all can go back to agriculture, like in the times of Alfred the Great ?
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1 hour ago, transam said:I was going to ask you the same thing as you don't seem to understand what's been going on regarding the UK being treated the same as other non EU countries, plus the UK waters now are under the control of the UK, not the EU or your Sweden....
80% of the Welsh fishing rights are already sold 30 years ago to Spanish fishermen, and 54,6% of the English fishing rights to EU fishermen
THIS is the REAL reason: just as the "Withdrawal Bill", Boris Cummings want to cancel these agreements and of course.. do not pay any cent in return. The value of a British contract: not even worth the ink is was signed with.
https://www.bbc.com/news/52420116
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30 minutes ago, luckyluke said:I am sure that the E.U. wants a deal too.
I hope they find a middle way, as this " Fishing War " is according to me ridiculous, if one consider what it only represent in regard to the complete package.
But for both parties it is a matter of principles.
And it is well known that in principles discussions, common sense is absent and ignored.
"Fishing War"? ? 0,12 % of British GDP ? ? ?
It's about : when you want to sell inside the EU, you follow the rules of the EU yes or no ? You think any Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese exporter can export to the EU on bases of Thai / Vietnamese / Chinese law ? For under British etc law: keep in your own country.
BRC is already replaced by IFS safety certification. Just ask any Thai exporter.
If there is a point of discussion of disagree: to which court to go.
It's the British "make industry", the financial service of London City at stake.
But... 2 1/2 months away... you think there is even ONE industry, who did not already conclude contracts for their raw materials, spare parts and components from other origins than the British, with no idea about price (seen import duty) or reliance on just-in-time supply seen traffic jam in Kent and custom clerarance out of UK and on the other side going in the EU ?
Same for the distribution: fro sure the retail already switched for their supply per 1 Jan 21. This will be visable when the stocks on the ERU side are absorbed and British industry see empty order books.
Brexit No Deal is already in force.
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8 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:
Walk away now!' Boris backed over tough stance and ordered to end 'nonsense' Brexit talks
BORIS JOHNSON has been urged to follow through with his threats to the EU and to leave the bloc with no deal, according to a new survey.
Did somebody already find anybody in a ditch somewhere ?
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1 hour ago, RayC said:
And if we accept for a minute that is true, why is it necessarily a bad thing?
Look at the graphs: of all EU member states, ONLY Spain performed worse that the British "Empire", with
- UK GDP fell by 20.4% in Quarter 2 (Apr to June) 2020
- https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/june2020#gdp-fell-significantly-in-quarter-2-apr-to-june-2020-with-widespread-contractions-across-all-main-sectors-of-the-econom
- Growth of real gross domestic product (GDP) in EU member states in the 2nd quarter 2020
- https://www.statista.com/statistics/263008/gdp-growth-in-eu-countries-compared-to-same-quarter-previous-year/
Really, a magnificent job.
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11 hours ago, luckyluke said:
I am rather perplexed with these announcements, seems contradictory.
Or does that mean that no one care about what Mr. Johnson is saying,
and negotiations goes simply on.
On government level, for sure it will go on. But.. you think all EU customers of UK goods inside the EU are simply awaiting the outcome, with whatever result and by that price + supply reliability, OR did already made up their contracts for 2021 with EU manufacturers ?
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10 hours ago, bodga said:
Hilarious so if those 27 countries all had an 3 trillion economy it should be 81 trillion instead of the paltry 18.4 trillion
Maybe you can look at a map: some EU countries are a littlebit smaller that the UK . Probably a too big intellectual step for a Brexiteer ?
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I wish the US voters a lot of wisdom.
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6 hours ago, Patts said:
We don't need access to the internal market, the UK buys considerably more from the EU than they do from the UK. If the EU don't won't to allow us access to the internal market then it is they who will lose.
"The EU, taken as a whole is the UK's largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £300 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £372 billion (51% of all UK imports)".
Why should the UK be held to ransom when we are at a £72 billion annual deficit and give the French and Dutch access to our already over fished waters!?
You forget about WHICH products. The EU imports from the UK can sa0moly be replaced, the problem is the British imports from the EU, which cannot be replaced so easily.
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15 minutes ago, Patts said:
Well I asked you to explain it to me and after a couple of hours you haven't! I am a business owner who manufactures electronics and exports all over the world so thanks for your assumption!
Can YOU imagine, the Japanese competition in your country get a licence free technology transfer or.. free-of-charge technical assistance / parts from Japan for 50% of the value from the Japanese gov, while you have to pay for all ? Complains only in your evening prayer ?
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6 hours ago, JonnyF said:Yes, essentially they want us to hand over our waters and play by their rules on state aid and 'level playing field', and be ruled by their courts, for the privilege of being able to buy their goods from them.
Deluded.
Should be over soon.
When you as farang wants to do business inside Thailand, you have to do that in accordance with Thai laws, unless... you can make another agreement with the Thai governement ( special BOI rights etc)
When you as non-EU company/citizen wants do do business inside the EU, you have to do that in accordance with EU laws. When you want special rules, you have to make an agreement.
The EU want a same level of playing field for all businesses inside the EU, so inclusive the British business, especially the rules on state aid, where the British want to be able to support their businesses unhindered.
Secondly, in the event of disagreement about, for example, state aid/support, dispute resolution is an important part of the process.The UK refuses both.
Could you accept a US competition, who gets a 50% labour costs embursement or a 20 % export fee from the US gov. to compete inside the British Isles ? No complaint to make anywhere ?
A third, but stirred up by Brexiteers, are the British fishing grounds ( 0,12 % of British GDP) . For the French fishermen also of importance. The British forget, the majority of their fishing rights ( = quota) are already decades ago sold to other EU fishermen, for instance: 80% of the Welch quota out of the Welsh waters to Spanish fishermen.
The British want to cancel these sales ( as their Withdrawal act: even ratified, but now worth not even the ink it is signed with )
Sorry, the times the British could use theri Ships of the Line or gunboats lies a century behind us.
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6 minutes ago, nauseus said:
rules rules rules
Nothing more intelligent to reply ?
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20 minutes ago, nauseus said:
I wasn't clapping about the WA and I can't remember who was. Do tell.
To fresh up your memory:
https://services.parliament.uk/Bills/2019-21/europeanunionwithdrawalagreement.html
Bye-the-way: the British also proved what an in UK parliament ratified treaty is worth: not even the ink to sign it.
( Internal Market Bill )
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Just 2 1/2 months to go and then: rules + regulations coming from a 'Third country" into the EU are in force:
a) veterinary rules about food import so no meat, fish, dairy like Scottish salmon, cheddar, allowed to take with you to EU from a visit to UK in your lugguage https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/1637308519/douane-schotse-zalm-mag-straks-niet-meer-mee-in-bagage
b) alcoholic drinks, sigarets etc : think of EU rules
c) Parcels by post with value above € 22 = custom clearance + import duty + VAT to be paid
d) bought something above € 430,- with you = same: custom clearance + import duty + VAT to be paid
e) alle electric appliances, sports + toys articles MUST have CE approval
f) big chance for checks for branded products seen counterfeight items
How many EU tourists will still choose UK as destination ?
Or: Free to The Great Irish Famine iles.eric.ed.gov › fulltext
Soon a Celt will be as rare in Ireland as a Red Indian on the streets of Manhattan. ...
Soon an EU tourist in the UK will be as rare as ....
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11 minutes ago, dunroaming said:
In the general election it was very much about making sure that the inadequate Corbyn didn't get in as much as voting in Johnson. That is why so many Labour supporters voted Conservative. Similar situation in the USA now, People will vote to get rid of Trump rather than voting for Biden.
Thanks to the British ( and US) voting system: the winner gets it all. No use to vote on a party, who risks NOT to get the majority in the Barony ( sorry: constituency). No use to vote for party nr 3 or even 4, as wasted anyhow.
Second advantage: every party know: next time I will need THEM, instead as now, treating them as the mortal enemy. Disadvantage, see Spain and Belgium, when parties see their own interest far above the national interest: re-upon-re-election or.. 550 days to form a new government.
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6 hours ago, JonnyF said:
we can finally escape the greasy tentacles of the corrupt protectionist racket at the end of the year.
This type of people not deserve a place in my Union of Nations. So,
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18 hours ago, NeoDinosaw said:WRONG - he is 5th rate at best !
No...I don't believe for one minute he has the ***** to stick to his own deadline....bluff and bluster...not a clue.... He is nothing more than a third rate journalist.
and a continuous lying one...
But.. the British elected him in a landslide, unprecedented glorious winning outcome, so.... Maybe put question marks behing the unelected brains of BJ = Dominicq Cummings ?
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Typical British negotiations: "we want ( = insist) a deal like Canada ( still not ratified by all EU member states) or Australian ( does not exist yet, in negotiation) , and even the Aussies want a LOT better deal as the present forecast) ".
Yet less than 3 months and the British will face a NO DEAL: Schengen visa, international drivers licence and insurances, and WTO "third party" import duties https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/taric_consultation.jsp?Lang=en, even with no special tariffs for certain goods as the Australians have ( in competition with other origins).
And for a lot it products, especially fresh foods, the British need the EU, whatever happens.
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1 hour ago, david555 said:
How dare E.U. to do that to the rulers of the waves ..... ? Would they dare ? ????????????
Which waves ? a 12 miles zone around the tiny islands ? The times of Horatio Hornblower ( or do I now mix up names) are a 220 years ago.
Remind: the British still SAIL ... (in the diesel age for already a 90 years)
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1 hour ago, david555 said:
And how many pensioners or hollidaymakers in Europe ....? Or lately ...
City bankers working now on E.U. ground..?????
Remind: UK citizens in the EU will be treated as EU citizens in the UK.
Curious how this might work out....
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22 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:
I think that perhaps a glance at a map might persuade you that a ferry journey from Rosslare to Cherbourg or Roscoff takes about 18 hours or so. From Belfast or Dublin is going to be at least 24 hours at sea. The crossing is exposed to the vagaries of the Atlantic / Western Approaches weather which could dramatically increase the journey times. Roscoff (and Cherbourg only marginally less so) are about as far in France as you can get from the rest of the EU.
I suspect that the logistics of driving through the UK with two short sea crossings, and ending up in the Pas de Calais or Belgium will prove a more attractive prospect.
Inclusive all customs clearance: out of Eire (EU) , into UK, and at Dover or so out of the UK, and in F /B inside the EU again ?
Even on a T2 carnet, it wall last a LOT of customs clearance time, see (TIR=Transport International par Route). With a littlebit luck, a lot of traffic jam at Dover, so.. make up your transport scheduling mind.
This aside of a completely closed and sealed lorry needed.
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1 hour ago, david555 said:And how many pensioners or hollidaymakers in Europe ....? Or lately ...
City bankers working now on E.U. ground..?????
Sorry, I did not find anything updated more recently 1 Feb 2018:
https://fullfact.org/europe/how-many-uk-citizens-live-other-eu-countries/
1.3 million people born in the UK live in other EU countries, according to 2017 estimates from the United Nations (UN). Around 900,000 UK citizens were long-term residents in other EU countries in 2010 and 2011, according to census data across the EU collated by the Office for National Statistics (ONS).
But might be changing:
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There were an estimated 2.27 million EU nationals working in the UK, 61,000 fewer than for a year earlier.
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There were an estimated 1.29 million non-EU nationals working in the UK, 130,000 more than for a year earlier.
Employment of EU nationals dropped by 284,000 in the second quarter as the Covid-19 crisis prompted the U.K.’s biggest slump since the global financial meltdown, the Office for National Statistics said Tuesday.
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Boris the Liar beating Barnier and Macron ? How ? The EU with 450 mln will continue, but the tiny British isles with 67 mln ?
See the economic situation: GDP development 2nd quarter 2020. ONLY Spain (-22,1 %) performed worse as the UK ( -20,4%) .