17 minutes ago, kingdong said:

protected by the eu outer border? against what ?  the economic migrant invasion?

Just read, what the EU does for its EU member states.

As food-man: EFSA and RASFF see https://webgate.ec.europa.eu/rasff-window/portal/?event=SearchForm&cleanSearch=1 .

From 1 Jan 2021 ( less than 13 weeks from now) the British can do that on their own.

When the EU food distribution and industry also does not accept BRC certification anymore, the British export into the EU is about finished for a year, despite all other misery to come like veterinary inspections ( meat, fish ! , ask the Thai poultry, but especially fish exporting industry), agricultural levies and of course WTO "third country" import duty. see https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/taric_consultation.jsp?Lang=en.

Yes, the EU knows how to protect their industry and labour.

Looking at your comment: you do not have the faintest ideas about that.

9 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

I think, as we would say "your slip is showing puipuitom". In other words, you are revealing what (we have long known) drives your opinion - a bitter almost irrational dislike of the United Kingdom, it's history and its peoples!

 

I think on balance, we can live with that!

nonsense.

I feel pity with all the 48,2% voters = 16,1 million, then, whose voice is completely neglected and the 51.88 %, who believed their (Conservative) leaders. Especially the Scots + Northern Irish, who are taken into a path, they do not prefer. 

I, together with my many British friends and business contacts, some going back till 1965, who will face very dark days ahead. In the "make" industry, and in agriculture and food. With some bad luck even in the financial service, seeing how many already opened a subsidiary in the EU.

see https://usa-onlinenews.com/2020/09/29/support-for-brexit-is-collapsing-as-poll-finds-shrinking-minority-of-british-people-still-back-leaving-the-eu/

https://thecargossip.com/2020/09/30/brexit-blow-to-uk-car-industry-in-search-for-eu-deal/

20 minutes ago, transam said:

Isn't it great that the UK still has its Houses of Parliament, isn't it great that the UK will soon be controlling everything UK....Our History, isn't it Great....

No further comment needed:

www.worldatlas.com/articles/sick-man-of-europe.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/28/why-the-uk-is-the-sick-man-of-europe-again

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/the-sick-man-of-europe

Be happy on your tiny islands. Do not forget to apply for a Schengen visa, international drivers + insurance licences, and... WTO "third country" import duty into the EU.

Bye-the-way: in all EU member states, EACH national Parliament has to agree with a Brexit deal ( if to be organised in these short days) OR.. EVER.. a new membership of the UK (England). ONE against = nothing

Good luck with your history. Reality nowadays is "slightly" different. Maybe back to the times of Alfred the Great ? 

And bye-the way: the Canada deal...Not in force (parts are provisionally applied), only 15 EU members ratified till now. 10 9 TEN) years after the start of negociations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Economic_and_Trade_Agreement

 https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2020/09/30/ceta-trade-deal-three-years-later-canadian-agriculture-still-dissatisfied/ ( September 30, 2020 )

5 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Our King ( Belgium ) has also still some powers, but he can not dictate parliament.

I still have  problems with the so called powers of Mrs. von der Leyen.

It would help if  I would know what specific directives she instructed the Belgian government.

So far I still believe the Belgian government is still in power to make on his own laws and regulations for its citizens.

And it is my belief this is the case for every member of the E.U..

Read the organisation of the EU, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_European_Commission#:~:text=The president of the European Commission is the,the college%2C collectively accountable to the European Parliament.

Role: see https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/presidents_en

• Gives political guidance to the Commission
• Calls and chairs meetings of the college of the Commissioners
• Leads the Commission's work in implementing EU policies
• Takes part in G7 meetings
• Contributes to major debates both in the European Parliament and between EU governments in the Council of the European Union

More on the Commission President's job
More on the European Commission
More on how Commissioners are appointed

The president of the EU Commission, a kind of council of ministers, has NOTHING to instruct any parliament of the EU member states. She is appointed by the EU Council = the heads of government of the EU member states.

5 hours ago, petermik said:

Britain is one t not two....and we will certainly not be ruled by faceless unelected EU bureaucrats that,s for sure

How many members of the House of Lords are elected ? 

For the EU: it is an Union of states, NOT of people, so:

EU council = leaders of EU member states' governments,

EU Commission : each EU member state appoints one member.

EU Parliament: elected by the citizens of the member states. The rest are only governmental officials.

How many bureaucrats in the UK are elected ? According me, ALL are appointed, just as in the EU.

The governor of the bank of England or of Scotland ?

Any UK ambassador or representative anywhere ( UN, UNCTAD, Olympic Committee, FIFA, ... )

18 hours ago, Loiner said:

The EU will have to accept that Britain has already left. They don’t get a say on the Internal Markets Bill. 

When the British ( or English) want to conclude a deal with the EU, then they have to think also of the demands of the other side. It is no longer that the British can dictate, and.. if the other side humbly accepts, they MAYBE will push a few other crumbs off the table... It is no longer as the Anglo-Irish Treaty in 1921.

But in fact, everybody could have known this already for a couple of years. The British are so overwhelmingly with their minds in the 19th century, the times of Kitchener, Gordon, Cecil Rhodes , no compromise from that side was, is and will stay impossible.

So face it... 1 Jan 2021 a HARD Brexit = Schengen visa, international driver's licence and insurances + WTO "third party" import duty for all goods into the EU.

Plus: the world knows now the value of a British signature: not even worth the ink used to sign.

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

IF we rejoin the EU that will be up to us. 

You mean: will be up to us to APPLY...

If the now 27 EU member states will accept the UK ( or England) again, is a complete different story. Just ONE veto is enough to block it.

10 hours ago, Tounge Thaied said:

As it should be... If anyone is being honest with themselves, if they could, they wouldn't pay any taxes either. 

Partially correct"the idea of the free rider. But what is... streets, bridges etc infrastructure is no longer maintained ? Police, judges etc are no longer paid but must get it from "contributions out of the people" ?

Is this guy the right example to be president of the USA ?

54 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

436,000job losses? Prove it! 

 

I hope you're not taking this number from the anti-brexit 'small business prices index', which counts things like jobs lost through Tory policy.  

 

If you're going to bandy these numbers around, let's see categoric proof from an unbiased source that Brexit has caused a net loss of more than 436k jobs.  

A unification is a matter for the people of these potential con-federation members. I do not think, it will be easy. But the consequence of NOT doing so, is a EU-outer border somewhere, what many will not like. Aside of N Ireland , Scotland ( and Wales ?) being stuck with the English on the high waves, ruled by Britannia - Westminster..

52 minutes ago, tebee said:

No deal brexit wasn't on the table at the time of the referendum, but it's a pretty inevitable result of deciding to leave  the single market and customs union. 

 

Doing that left us without a good solution for Northern Ireland and created the current imapse. 

 

So now we get chaos that no one voted for because it's "the will of the people" and no one is prepared to  lose face and tell them they were lied to. 

Simply because the British

1) did not formulate the referendum questions well enough

2) were massively leid upon by their politicians, especially Boris the Liar

3) did not use their brains to think over what all could happen

4) too many, especially youngsters, stayed away, too lazy to vote, and not clever enough to think about the consequences.

Who burns his bottom, must sit on the blisters.

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

Really? How do you work that out? 

Boris gets the order from Trump to buy so-and-so-many chlorine chickens as part of the FTA deal.

28 minutes ago, Loiner said:

80% of the food I eat imported? Not true at all, and you don't even know a bean about my dietary habits.
Yes, sure I would support Trump if I were American.

Any argument you do not like gets beaten down? Well that part would be very Remainer, Europhile, Left winger or US Democrat. So not me, and I certainly I don't ignore you anti-Brexit nonsense.

Why you are unwilling simply to READ:

https://www.glotechrepairs.co.uk/news/the-uks-top-food-imports-and-where-they-come-from/

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/aug/13/how-a-no-deal-brexit-threatens-your-weekly-food-shop

https://www.businessinsider.nl/no-deal-brexit-percentage-british-food-imported-shortages-2019-1?international=true&r=US

https://www.ft.com/content/83eb97a6-b00a-11e6-9c37-5787335499a0

Despite the rise in exports, the trade deficit in food and non-alcoholic drinks increased by 6.7 per cent to a £23.3bn deficit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/23/uk-food-imports-from-eu-face-9bn-tariff-bill-under-no-deal-brexit

UK food imports from EU face '£9bn tariff bill' under no-deal Brexit

Money the UK consumer has to pay.

3.1 Origins of food consumed in the UK 2019

Change between chart and table https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-global-and-uk-supply