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BANGKOK: -- The red-shirt protesters at the Lumpini Park refused to remove the bunkers on Rajdamri Road in front of Chulalongkorn Hospital in line with the order of the leaders at the Rajprasong Rally site.

Jatuporn Promphan, a red-shirt leader, announced at the Rajprasong rally site that the leaders sent Suporn Atthawong to remove the bunkers in front of the hospital.

But when Suporn arrived at the Saladaeng Intersection at 11 am, he encountered Maj Gen Khattiya Sawasdiphol, who would not allow the removal.

... now where was that red self-destruct button?

And who is reporting this ? YELLOW MEDIA PROPAGANDA.

How do you KNOW what is being said ?

It looks like last night they decided to rebuild it and thats it. When they want to take it down they will, but not before.

As Suthep has ordered it taken down it appears there is now a chance to make him back his words up, hence leaving it in place now perhaps ?

Do you not think it "strange" that Mc'Ds that the Red Shirt Leaders use is bombed ??????????

Looks very much like a "Yellow" attack, sent to send a warning to Red Shirt Leaders.

I am pretty sure every horrible thing the reds has done was actually done by yellows in disguise. Even all the hate speeches by so-called red leaders are actually yellow shirts who have altered their appearance to look like red leaders.

No, but I would suggest :

Team Yellow army commanders allowed troops to use live ammo on protestors on April 10th, before getting shot themselves.

Team Yellow is likely behind the Silom BTS attack.

Team Yellow is likely behind this McD's attack.

amongst many other things which will not be listed here.

Do you get the feeling that since the pro-Yellow leaders of the army who attacked on April 10th got targeted and shot, that in fact now the pro-Yellow side of the Army cannot muster much support and is very weak ?

I mean, according to the headline they were getting the crack forces ready, what happened ? Did it come to total perhaps 1000 who were Yellow enough to do the work of the puppet masters ?

When the Yellow's protested the police were used against them and the Yellow army sides helped the PAD and gave them training.

Its no surprise now that everyone else ignores the Reds, and the Yellow army side, which appears to be very small now, is unable to do anything.

Most strange how weak Team Yellow is appearing now.

Perhaps all they have is money now, their influence has been severely weakened due to their rampant corruption and favoritism since 2006 ?

Perhaps even more strange, is they are winning. Abhisit's popularity is skyrocketing even among the silent red majority, and the entire red leadership is in total disarray. Just now posted: Seh Daeng is arguing with other leaders about moving barricades.

Abhisit will go down in Thai history as the first great Thai PM, his peaceful ways will make him world famous. He already has most of the Thai female vote becasue he is so cute.

Abhisit is universally hated amongst the majority of Thai people, for being behind the killing of many innocents on April 10th. He has nothing to lose now as he already appears to have lost his reputation totally.

Red leadership, sorry, from what I see on UDDThailand TV via the internet there are no problems.

Perhaps you read YELLOW PROPAGANDA media which pumps out all sorts of strange stories and accusations, anything anti-red they can make up it seems.

Do you not think it "strange" that Mc'Ds that the Red Shirt Leaders use is bombed ??????????

Looks very much like a "Yellow" attack, sent to send a warning to Red Shirt Leaders.

But of course, with the Yellow media they will not think anything like this, they will of course try to say its the Reds again.......... normal propaganda.

If anyone here is of "neutral shirt" but HATES CORRUPTION then I would suggest you :

Look very closely at all spending in the next budget. Look out for projects that will go to tenders, the big ones.

Monitor who wins the subsequent tenders in late 2010 and early 2011 and their potential relationships with the present ruling government coalition MP's.

Will you find a pattern.......... ?? Well, investigate it and see what you find.

Do you not think it "strange" that Mc'Ds that the Red Shirt Leaders use is bombed ??????????

Looks very much like a "Yellow" attack, sent to send a warning to Red Shirt Leaders.

You appear to be so Yellow you would put a banana to shame, however, that is your choice to ignore the worlds media reports and simply go with the official Thai propaganda from the yellow media, in full knowledge at the present level of censorship of the media which is far worse than anything in recent Thai history, worse even than the allegations thrown at Thaksin.

The censorship now is disgusting. The propaganda is disgusting.

Its looking more and more like Team Yellow are weak and powerless now.

They appear not in control of the police.

They appear to control a small element of the Army, but not enough to control it fully.

Abhisit and his Democrat cronies now appear to be happy to sit in the Army barracks and just wait for the budget time. It appears they are willing to leave the situation like this and just wait a few months and make sure they get to pass the budget.

Out of control and clinging on waiting to pass the budget.

Now you all should now, the final budget before the election year in Thailand is key to the election. It is where government will allocate massive amounts of funds to "projects", projects which of course ruling party "friends and family" business will win in tenders in the months after the elections, and so the ruling party politicians can feed at the trough big time in order to get their "elections funds" sorted out ready to pay for the election campaign and buy votes and whatever else.

This is why Abhisit and the Democrats

Do not want a coup.

Do not want a "national government"

As they lose the chance to feed at the trough and get their elections vote winning funds ready by massive corruption of government projects and subsequent tenders from this coming budget.

They appear to be happy to let Thailand be "out of control" provided they can stay in Army barracks and wait a few months to pass the budget.

Out of control - totally !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you get the feeling that since the pro-Yellow leaders of the army who attacked on April 10th got targeted and shot, that in fact now the pro-Yellow side of the Army cannot muster much support and is very weak ?

I mean, according to the headline they were getting the crack forces ready, what happened ? Did it come to total perhaps 1000 who were Yellow enough to do the work of the puppet masters ?

When the Yellow's protested the police were used against them and the Yellow army sides helped the PAD and gave them training.

Its no surprise now that everyone else ignores the Reds, and the Yellow army side, which appears to be very small now, is unable to do anything.

Most strange how weak Team Yellow is appearing now.

Perhaps all they have is money now, their influence has been severely weakened due to their rampant corruption and favoritism since 2006 ?

Another day and still not "retaken it" yet as he said he would.

Still no "news" on the Silom BTS videos ?

Another day passes to try and sweep this well under the carpet, was it Yellow PAD who fired them ? or Army side ?

Looks like they keep pumping the Hospital story 24/7 now in an attempt to get people to forget April 10th, April 22nd and the murders of innocents by the "machine with propaganda on its side" ??

Truly amazing to keep reading of bombs being thrown and detonated and such minimal injuries. Same goes for the government soldiers "exchanging hundreds of rounds" with Khmer soldiers at the border areas and not one being hit on either side. Is it the reporting being done that is incorrect or are the police and soldiers and demonstrators that inept with firearms and explosives? Makes one wonder just what is transpiring in the Land of Smiles........

They are of course two possible reasons for bombs.

First Unhappy people, protestors if you like, wanting to send a warning. These would generally done against "Yellow" targets (Bangkok Bank, Airport Fuel Tanks, Yellow leaders homes, Army establishments etc..).

Second, Yellow side, this is done to create fear and panic and ramp up the hate of the Reds, targets would be soft (McD's, Silom BTS etc...)

The above is of course just speculation on what could happen, in real life everyone can research and make their own decisions.

Everyone is fully aware now that the media in Thailand is totally censored, anything anit-Red is pumped up massively, all other news is blocked. The media in Thailand is in effect a total propaganda tool of the Yellow side now it seems.

This picture comes from August 2008.

It was in the papers (outside Thailand) and clearly shows an Army soldier teaching PAD protestors how to fight the Police.

Any of you wonder why the Police now will not help the Army/Abhisit/PAD/Team Yellow ????????

And where are these "BTS video's" ?

LOL

Still being made in Hollywood ?

This could very well prove to be an electoral disaster for the reds. The pictures of sick children lying on the floor are horrid and are going to be splashed everywhere

I wonder if they will also state the fact that they didn't even have to be moved. Looks like someone tried to pull a pro-government PR stunt and pulled it off quite well.

It was probably the fake reds who forcibly broke in to begin with too!

Nobody is denying that the red shirts entered the hospital. But they didn't harm any patients. If they wanted to harm patients, they could harm them at the new location too, so the move was pointless and effectively a PR stunt. I'm sorry.

And a disgusting PR stunt at that, its a disgrace that the hospital admin or owners wanted these movements done. Where they paid by the PAD or Team Yellow to move the patients and pose for the media for photo's ?

Shame on them for moving patients "just for the camera's" in all reality it seems.

Yup, the PAD have a long history of using war weapons in their campaign unlike the UDD....oh, hang on a minute. I seem to have go my acronyms the wrong way round...

You think so? Find me one, just one, reference to an incident in which the PAD was implicated in that involved their use of an RPG or M79.

That goes for you too monkfish. Find me one.

I reverse the question as well!

Like I said if he were delivering to the the 63 M79 grenades to the Reds it would be all over the NEWS PAPERS! already

I tend to think they copped themselves?

Monkfish -- you are being silly again. Besides your lie about the PAD being known for using war weapons (not true, though they were known to be attacked by war weapons) ... your assertion that you can prove a negative is just not based on reality.

PAD guards were armed with guns.

Photo's appeared in the media of PAD guards with guns shooting at taxi drivers on the way to Don Muang.

PAD guards killed a man at Don Muang airport (they accused him of being an undercover policeman is the rumour).

PAD broke into government offices and caused damage.

PAD prevented parliament from opening by blockading the building and stopping MP's from doing their work.

PAD guards recently arrested in pick up with loads of weapons and grenades.

They are violent and armed.

Has he done it yet ?

No.

Say no more.

I ask all TV viewers to read the closed forum that is dominated by The Nation.

This forum is clearly not a news forum anymore. It is an editorial forum for The Nation and should be designated as such. There is not longer any need to keep this forum closed under the guise of news.

I find very little news there now. It is full of opinions and rumors from the Nation Reporters and government propaganda..

Further I hope that when this conflict is resolved and a legitimate government comes to power that appropriate action will be taken to denounce the The Nation as a propaganda arm of the existing government and consideration be given th revoke their right to operate a public broadcast organization via licensing restrictions. I further hope that invsetigation of the reporters postings be examined for violation of Thai laws. It appears to me that several of The Nations postings in recent days of rumors and false statements may very well be in violation of the current operating Thai law at the present.

In earlier postings I have consistently requested that TV rein in these renegade reporters and remove all editorial and opinion postings from the "Closed News Forum". The question must be asked. Is TV in a conspiracy with the Nation by permitting this postings. Under Thai internet precedence is would appear that they are at least culpable. These postings remove any sembance of neutrality.

Or, it is a news forum, but you fail cannot see the forest for the trees because you are so stuck on you preconceived notions. Additionally, you cannot seem to tell the difference between an opinion piece, a tweet, a news update, breaking news, or an article. The question must be asked, have your red blinders prevented you from seeing and accepting what is actually going on in the streets of Bankok?

You mean its become the Yellow Tweet Propaganda thread.

Thaksin is dead, and again and now he is dead again and perhaps dead tomorrow and he is in a coma after dying and now he is dead again.

Its nonsense. All that Tweet lies and distortion needs to be stopped from being posted.

It would be good if it went back to being "NEWS" and not Yellow Tweet propaganda and lies.

Has this been swept under the carpet yet ?

Have the "eye witness" reports of the grenades coming from high up in nearby dept store been thrown into the bin ?

Has the Yellow "propaganda" machine been caught out here ?

UN Independent investigations are needed into this and April 10th. Given the government is refusing this, you have to wonder what they are trying to hide with both events in which civilians were killed.

The only thing I would suggest that Abhisit has not lost control off is the internet and the media freedom.

The Thailand Democrat/BJT censorship coalition steam rollers on, meaning freedom of information and freedom of the media is crushed and splattered underneath it.

Its a disgrace, I mean these same people accused Thaksin of doing this, however he allowed them to openly criticize him and his party.

What we have now is way over the top censorship and indeed, propaganda. Far far worse.

Some information :

http://globalvoicesonline.org/2010/04/29/t...-amid-protests/

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The Red leaders simply play good-guy bad-guy.

If Weng was sincere about his apology, why doesn't he turn in Payap and the 200 guards who stormed the hospital?

EXACTLY !! this is the responsibility of a 'leader' !!

where is that CRIMINAL Payap now ? show up, you are deserved !!

LOL

So what did he do ?

Kill patients ?

Beat up nurses ?

Make people die through lack of treatment ?

They did nothing.

The hospital can run as normal last night and today but IT DECIDES NOT TO, have they been "paid off" to put on a media circus show and play to the TV and other YELLOW media for the "mass propaganda".

More propaganda, just like Silom BTS attack and the claims of Suthep and the Yellow shirts and Yellow newspapers after that happened.

Pure BS.

This is hilarious

The reds, whilst wrong to go into the hospital in numbers, did not endanger anyone or obstruct any medical care.

The overreaction now is another sign of YELLOW PROPAGANDA, hyping up a small story.

Remember the reports of army soldiers firing rubber bullets at, and beating up, medical workers treating Reds on April 10th. Do you see this discussed in the media or swept under the carpet. The April 10th events were far worse given the actual abuse of medical workers.

Pure yellow propaganda now......... nothing more.

How many people were beaten up ? How many died ? How many medical workers were beaten ?

You will find the answers are none, the reason for moving the patients is purely now as a media circus show for yellow media propaganda.

The government does not want and has refused a UN Independent Investigation into April 10th, whilst the Red shirts want it.

Who is guilty ?

In the same vein the government will not want (read that Team Yellow) any "interrference" from outside countries. They know everything that they have done wrong since 2006 and all the abuse they have done and the last thing they want is to have to admit to it.

The whole Yellow propaganda machine that has been in place since 2006 only works by having massive censorship within Thailand and not allowing the people to read the real news and stuffing them full of "all channels" putting out only the government spin (Yellow spin) side of events in order to brainwash them over years.

This is why Thailand is now horrific in terms of censorship.

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Team Yellow broke electoral law in 2005 by refusing to run in elections. They got away with it.

Team Yellow broke Thailand's laws in 2006 by holding a coup, they got away with it by throwing the 1997 Peoples Consitution in the bin to give them immunity.

Since those 2 events they have abused all authority in order to finally get their people into power so they can feed at the trough again.

And now they cling on to power and do not care how many must die while they cling to power.

Rather than asking why Red Shirts turn colorless, why does the writer not ask why all Red media is shut down, why freedom of informaiton is now the same as Burma, why the government/Yellow side are still rampant in their use of propaganda ?

Want to research some on this issue then

http://facthai.wordpress.com/

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But it is reasonable to assume that a large proportion of the 22 million in Isaan are red supporters ..

not really since you would need to give us a break down on the demographics. I mean how many of these 22 million are under 12 years old, under 21 years old and over 50 years old? What is the break down on education level? How many are still working to payoff the loans Thaksin provided them knowing they would not be able to pay them back and only make their local leaders rich? Need some more numbers until then, will stick with the polls which show there is NOT a majority of people in ALL of Thailand who support the red beliefs let alone their current acts of aggression against the rest of Thailand.

The real Red cause you will find the majority of Thai's are supportive of.

The fake Red cause of Thaksin (as portrayed by Yellow) a large amount of Isaan does support.

Team Yellow has abused their power for so long since the coup, and so openly, that they now have a problem in that the majority of the Army and Police are no longer willing to do their dirty work - that is a real issue.

Abhisit thinks he is the only one that can solve the problems - but he is just a puppet - that is a real issue.

The government banning all media it does not like - that is a real issue.

Pumping of propaganda in Yellow media when evidence is there to the contrary - that is a real issue.

Team Yellow I think still think this is 1992 and not now 2010 - that is a real issue.

Many more issues too.........