Nickymaster

The last election for POS in Lampang saw 3 (!) candidates of PTP. A woman with accepted integrity won.

The second candidate (a high rank police officer, Red Shirt leader, founder of a red village, involved in the exam fraud of police staff as "national leader")

didn't accept the election and made big problems (copy the Reds in their attack against CC), and lost.

About the third I have no information.

The PTP is split open in some parts of Thailand. I doubt about K.T's possibilities to 'unite' the different factions of PTP.

The Dems are confronted with a small problem like this.

There is a faction of 'young democrats' (spiritual father is Chuang Leek Pai) to get down the Southern Group (Suthep faction).

The game is open ......

Money unites here in LOS. The outcome has all to do with how much money the coalition parties will get.

Are you telling me that they inflated the doll only for the press conference? Or was somebody using it when the press arrived?

What a country. People are explaining why they are wearing certain colors and wearing the "wrong" color might get you into serious trouble.

I have no idea why the farang political experts here on Thai Visa would get so worked up over something that they have absolutely no control over.

It is quite obvious that the majority of Thai politicians (all parties) are all firm believers in the practice of "You don't tell on me and I won't tell on you". Rather than try to make a better less corrupt government, they spend all their time squabbling like school kids.

I agree with you but that's what forums are all about I guess. Sharing opinions, arguing etc.

Never seen Tharit and his team raid a casino. yeeah, sex toys are much more dangerous for society then undergound gambling managed by the maffia and police.

Duang has proven he can hit the target.

What's really depressing is that these donkeys think the general Thai populace is stupid enough to believe the wind that they release. One day there will come a huge reckoning. It happens to all oppressed populations eventually. I think that the Thai version will be particularly bloody.

Maybe the general Thai populace is ..... enough to believe everything their "heroes" say. Left, right, yes, no, stop, go, true, not-true, forward, backward. The sheeps and the wolves (in sheep clothing). I have to admit they might be difficult to spot for many.

Selling a casino license could create a huge kick-back for the Shins. Then again, they are already receiving them from the small casinos down town BKK. I mean the Police...

For the benefit of the uninitiated, let's have another look at Senior Sargeant-Major Suwichai and the family he left behind.

He is innocent. There was a full investigation in 1999 and they didn't found any wrongdoings.

we learn that he wasn't shot in the head at point blank range by "someone" until two years after 1999.

For further clarity, Chalerm's son was reinstated in the Army on April 23, 2008 as a Second-Lieutenant with his father who was the Interior Minister in Samak's Cabinet at the time. That was his rank at the time when "someone" shot Police Senior Sergeant-Major Suvichai Rodwimud in the head at point blank range on October 21, 2001.

Ohh, my comment was about Abhisit and that they didn't found any wrongdoings back in 1999.

I mentioned that because some came up with his case. Abhisit seems to be innocent.

Chalerm's son was also cleared of any charges related to the shooting of that police officer. That was of course later. Anyone who follows the news or isn't just a tourist but lived here since a while should know that.

Everybody who has witnessed the shooting story when it happened knows that Chalerm's son did it. It was a huge scandal back then.

Are you saying that you were here when it happened and you believe he is innocent?

If the going gets tough PPD get's going.

I have asked him a few questions and he disappeared again. Brave man he certainly is.

Thanks PPD it's clear that he should be banned.

I agree with the NACC concerning Suthep because I don't wear glasses. I can see!

Now the rest.... Let's see if you also agree when PT/UDD including Thaksin get punishments etc.. Let's see if you are going to blame it on the court or whatever/whoever in stead of agreeing with the order. (I think I have already seen the answer in other posts)

Let's reveal true colors.

Now the problem is this should have been done long ago - I mean this guy manged to get the Chuan Leekpai kicked out back in '95. If you honestly believe the courts as they stand now and since the coup have been without political leaning and interference from both within and without of the political sphere I would say you and I are never going to agree on anything regarding Thai politics.

Two obvious points - how many yellow shirt leaders / supporters / hangers on have been jailed for offences they have been found guilty of since the coup?

How many military personnel have even been sent to court since the coup?

Do you sense a pattern there?

IMO the military should be rewarded for what they did/do. Without them the country would slide into chaos. They fortunately (almost) got rid of a ruthless, corrupt, convicted, (now) on the run criminal.

The term "as bad as" often comes from you. You always have examples of bad DEMS. Please give me some examples of PT/UDD people that should be banned. No double standards.

FYI, I don't care if the whole DEM/AV etc will be banned because I DON'T support any party/group.

Well if that was the case you wouldn't have bothered arguing with me and if you really think that the "military should be rewarded for what they did/do" I have nothing more to say to you after this:

Are you not aware of the number of people of the red persuasion that have been, currently are still in, and future visitors to the Jail System. Are you not aware of the 80 plus people dead and over 2000 injured. I do not need to give examples of bad red shirts PTP etc - Public opinion, the judges and the military have already done their jobs on that.

That is why I need to refer to bad dems, bad yellow shirts, bad security forces etc because nothing has been done about them....................

Who made all those jailed people do the things they did? Who told them to burn buildings and fight the army? Who allowed them to terrorize Thailand for months. Come on man. You are not convincing me.

BTW, can you give me some examples of bad UDD/PT people. Just your opinion. Simple as that.

IMO the military should be rewarded for what they did/do. .

How far back into history are we going here Nicky?

Read before you post and you could have concluded that yourself. 2006

Obviously civility is not your strong point. That's OK. It isn't mine either - <deleted>.

Thanks. FY2.

BTW, what is a <deleted>?

IMO the military should be rewarded for what they did/do. .

How far back into history are we going here Nicky?

Read before you post and you could have concluded that yourself. 2006

Thanks PPD it's clear that he should be banned.

I agree with the NACC concerning Suthep because I don't wear glasses. I can see!

Now the rest.... Let's see if you also agree when PT/UDD including Thaksin get punishments etc.. Let's see if you are going to blame it on the court or whatever/whoever in stead of agreeing with the order. (I think I have already seen the answer in other posts)

Let's reveal true colors.

Now the problem is this should have been done long ago - I mean this guy manged to get the Chuan Leekpai kicked out back in '95. If you honestly believe the courts as they stand now and since the coup have been without political leaning and interference from both within and without of the political sphere I would say you and I are never going to agree on anything regarding Thai politics.

Two obvious points - how many yellow shirt leaders / supporters / hangers on have been jailed for offences they have been found guilty of since the coup?

How many military personnel have even been sent to court since the coup?

Do you sense a pattern there?

IMO the military should be rewarded for what they did/do. Without them the country would slide into chaos. They fortunately (almost) got rid of a ruthless, corrupt, convicted, (now) on the run criminal.

The term "as bad as" often comes from you. You always have examples of bad DEMS. Please give me some examples of PT/UDD people that should be banned. No double standards.

FYI, I don't care if the whole DEM/AV etc will be banned because I DON'T support any party/group.

Democrat kingpin Suthep to quit politics if impeached by Senate

BANGKOK, July 27 - Former deputy prime minister Suthep Thaugsuban of the Democrat Party said on Friday that he will retire from politics altogether if the Senate impeaches him following the anti-graft commission resolution finding him guilty of inteference in the work of the Ministry of Culture.

The former deputy premier under the Democrat-led coalition government which was in power between 2009-2011 made the remark as the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) on Thursday resolved that the Democrat MP was found guilty for violating Constitution Article 268 for exercising power beyond the limit of his authority.

Suthep was accused of appointing 19 Democrats MPs to work in the Ministry of Culture, an action which the NACC considered as interference in the work of state officials.

The NACC resolved to forward the case to the Senate for formal impeachment, which could also result in a five-year ban from politics.

Suthep said he respects the NACC decision and is willing to follow the senate resolution.

The ex-deputy premier explained, however, that he did not send any MPs to work at the culture ministry. Suthep said he submitted a letter on appointing 19 MPs to work at the ministry for its consideration, but later withdrew it after learning that the move was deemed a violation of law.

"If the NACC considered the action was already done, I have to respect its decision," said the Democrat MP for Surat Thani.

Suthep said he could not predict whether he will be impeached by the senators and now he is still working as usual with no worry on the matter.

"I am now 64. If I am to be banned from politics for five years, by that time I will be 69," Suthep said, "I should call it quits from politics and go back to raise my grandchildren." (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2012-07-27

I have never heard such a comment from PT/UDD, Bravo Suthep.

Shouldn't come as too much of a surprise, he has a habit of taking the route of least resistance when events seem to be going against him or his dubious dealings come under scrutiny... hardly applaud able in my book:

1995 Corruption Scandal

The Democrat Party won elections in 13 September 1992, shortly after Black May, and formed a government. Suthep became Agriculture Minister. As part of the Sor Por Kor 4-01 (สปก.4-01) land reform scheme, Suthep gave title deeds to 592 plots of land in Khao Sam Liam, Kamala and Nakkerd hills of Phuket province to 489 farmers. It was later found that members of 11 wealthy families in Phuket were among the recipients. Suthep addressed a huge crowd in his Surat Thani constituency a month before a no-confidence debate and called on his supporters to march on Bangkok in the hundreds of thousands to defend his reputation.^[2] The scandal led Prime Minister Chuan Leekpai of the Democrat Party to dissolve the House of Representatives in July 1995 in order to avoid the no-confidence debate.^[3] In subsequent elections, the Chart Thai party won a majority, leading to the downfall of Chuan Leekpai's Democrat Party-led government.

[edit]2009 Disqualification as MP

In 2009, Suthep was accused of violating the Constitution of Thailand by holding equity in a media firm that had received concessions from the government. Under the 1997 Constitution of Thailand, which Suthep had supported, Members of Parliament are banned from holding stakes in companies which have received government concessions. In July 2009, the Election Commission announced that it would seek a ruling by the Constitutional Court to disqualify Suthep and 12 other Democrat MPs for having allegedly violated the charter. Suthep held a press conference a day later, announcing his decision to resign from Parliament. Suthep's resignation as an MP did not affect his status as Deputy Prime Minister and as a Cabinet member. If his case had been submitted to the Constitution Court, he would have been suspended from duty as Deputy Prime Minister. He insisted that his resignation was not a proof that he had done something wrong but that he was worried about status as Deputy Prime Minister.^[4]

[edit]2011 Elections

In the general election on 3 July 2011, the Democrats were defeated. Suthep stepped down as the party's secretary-general immediately. When the government of successful Pheu Thai Party-leader Yingluck Shinawatra took office on 9 August, his term as deputy prime minister ended, as well.

It's remarkable that a man like Suthep is still involved in Thai politics given his past, especially when you contrast this with how other politicians have been made subject of a national witch hunt. It's the likes of Suthep that have taught his slippery methods to the current MPs but somehow he seems to slither and slide his way out of facing any consequences every time...

Can't be bothered to get involved in the usual 'Red' taking the high ground when there is an apparent 'Yellow' misdemeanor,,nor vice-versa.

Predictable responses from certain people.

But, I agree with your last bit. 'The likes of Suthep' is clearly a non-party comment. IMHO, politicians of all parties will find themselves accused of 'slippery methods'. I'm sure IMHO, that the outcome of Suthep's Impeachment request, isn't going to be unique to him.

The phrase 'when you're caught' seems to have more relevance in Thailand IMHO. I believe there's a lot waiting to surface, for both colours.

Under starters orders in your respective corners

Agree. let's start the clean-up before Thaksin closes down the NACC.

Democrat kingpin Suthep to quit politics if impeached by Senate

BANGKOK, July 27 - Former deputy prime minister Suthep Thaugsuban of the Democrat Party said on Friday that he will retire from politics altogether if the Senate impeaches him following the anti-graft commission resolution finding him guilty of inteference in the work of the Ministry of Culture.

The former deputy premier under the Democrat-led coalition government which was in power between 2009-2011 made the remark as the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) on Thursday resolved that the Democrat MP was found guilty for violating Constitution Article 268 for exercising power beyond the limit of his authority.

Suthep was accused of appointing 19 Democrats MPs to work in the Ministry of Culture, an action which the NACC considered as interference in the work of state officials.

The NACC resolved to forward the case to the Senate for formal impeachment, which could also result in a five-year ban from politics.

Suthep said he respects the NACC decision and is willing to follow the senate resolution.

The ex-deputy premier explained, however, that he did not send any MPs to work at the culture ministry. Suthep said he submitted a letter on appointing 19 MPs to work at the ministry for its consideration, but later withdrew it after learning that the move was deemed a violation of law.

"If the NACC considered the action was already done, I have to respect its decision," said the Democrat MP for Surat Thani.

Suthep said he could not predict whether he will be impeached by the senators and now he is still working as usual with no worry on the matter.

"I am now 64. If I am to be banned from politics for five years, by that time I will be 69," Suthep said, "I should call it quits from politics and go back to raise my grandchildren." (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2012-07-27

I have never heard such a comment from PT/UDD, Bravo Suthep.

Shouldn't come as too much of a surprise, he has a habit of taking the route of least resistance when events seem to be going against him or his dubious dealings come under scrutiny... hardly applaud able in my book:

1995 Corruption Scandal

The Democrat Party won elections in 13 September 1992, shortly after Black May, and formed a government. Suthep became Agriculture Minister. As part of the Sor Por Kor 4-01 (สปก.4-01) land reform scheme, Suthep gave title deeds to 592 plots of land in Khao Sam Liam, Kamala and Nakkerd hills of Phuket province to 489 farmers. It was later found that members of 11 wealthy families in Phuket were among the recipients. Suthep addressed a huge crowd in his Surat Thani constituency a month before a no-confidence debate and called on his supporters to march on Bangkok in the hundreds of thousands to defend his reputation.^[2] The scandal led Prime Minister Chuan Leekpai of the Democrat Party to dissolve the House of Representatives in July 1995 in order to avoid the no-confidence debate.^[3] In subsequent elections, the Chart Thai party won a majority, leading to the downfall of Chuan Leekpai's Democrat Party-led government.

[edit]2009 Disqualification as MP

In 2009, Suthep was accused of violating the Constitution of Thailand by holding equity in a media firm that had received concessions from the government. Under the 1997 Constitution of Thailand, which Suthep had supported, Members of Parliament are banned from holding stakes in companies which have received government concessions. In July 2009, the Election Commission announced that it would seek a ruling by the Constitutional Court to disqualify Suthep and 12 other Democrat MPs for having allegedly violated the charter. Suthep held a press conference a day later, announcing his decision to resign from Parliament. Suthep's resignation as an MP did not affect his status as Deputy Prime Minister and as a Cabinet member. If his case had been submitted to the Constitution Court, he would have been suspended from duty as Deputy Prime Minister. He insisted that his resignation was not a proof that he had done something wrong but that he was worried about status as Deputy Prime Minister.^[4]

[edit]2011 Elections

In the general election on 3 July 2011, the Democrats were defeated. Suthep stepped down as the party's secretary-general immediately. When the government of successful Pheu Thai Party-leader Yingluck Shinawatra took office on 9 August, his term as deputy prime minister ended, as well.

It's remarkable that a man like Suthep is still involved in Thai politics given his past, especially when you contrast this with how other politicians have been made subject of a national witch hunt. It's the likes of Suthep that have taught his slippery methods to the current MPs but somehow he seems to slither and slide his way out of facing any consequences every time...

And probably most poignant of all he lied about signing the order for the use of live ammunition on the 10th April 2010, not 3 days later as he maintained for the best part of two years after.........

Thanks PPD it's clear that he should be banned.

I agree with the NACC concerning Suthep because I don't wear glasses. I can see!

Now the rest.... Let's see if you also agree when PT/UDD including Thaksin get punishments etc.. Let's see if you are going to blame it on the court or whatever/whoever in stead of agreeing with the order. (I think I have already seen the answer in other posts)

Let's reveal true colors.

Probably a bit politically motivated but Suthep MOST probably has done things that are not allowed and he should get a ban.

Then give everybody a ban who has overstepped his/her authority. No double standards..

My guess is that nobody from the the coalition PM's will get any punishment for whatever they do/did. Let's see.

By the way, IMHO, having 90 million worth of amulets is Ipso Facto, proof of having "unusual" wealth.

So his net worth is 108 million and he put 90 of those into amulets? c'mon, pull the other one, it has a whistle!

His story would be: "I bought the amulets for 1 million and now they are worth 90 million. I didn't do anything wrong, just made good purchases". case closed.

Why am I waisting my time...?! Give the people the government they deserve. Unfortunately the other side also has to live with this corrupt bunch of scumbags. Meanwhile...the rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer (at least they now can dream of things they will never get).

Pffff

No the government did not pay 2 Millions. If you pay yourself 2 Millions you don't have more or less money.

It is just overrulling the courts.

Why no? I am not following you. If the red shirts jump bail, the justice ministry will loose 2 million right?

http://www.thaivisa....-13-red-shirts/

Maybe the PAD are right. Maybe the PTP should get on with governing the country for the good of all Thais not just a convicted criminal.

I hear this tiresome line of attack constantly here and by the BlueSky boys. PT are governing the country. They have made significant inroads into the drug epidemic, rife under the Dems; delivered on many of their election promises, such as min. wage, tablets, etc.; done significant work on flood prevention; undergoing feasibility studies on high speed rail; solved border tension issues and agreed on joint ventures with neighboring countries.

For those who persistently falsely accuse the government of not delivering on election promises, don't you remember that they also promised rewriting the constitution, reconciliation bills and bringing home TS.

What a load of B/S , min wage only in 7 countys who for the most part were being paid that anyway, tabs, under a million distributed of the 11000000 promised , work on FLOOD prevention ??? lets wait till the rains come, we are still waiting for the promised COMPENSATION and the list goes on, take off your rose tinted classes and get REAL.

People are still wating for their 20,000THB compensation after they have lost EVERYTHING. BUT..red shirts with sentences up to 20 years are bailed out for 2 MILLION a person paid for by THIS government.

A government for all people according to Yingluck. Such statements make me sick. (sorry).

And if Thaksin is charged, tried, convicted and sentenced will he serve his jail time in the same way Sondhi is serving his?

Didn't know Sondhi also was a part of this scandal.

Correct, Sondhi was convicted in another fraud case

The Security and Exhange Commission accused him of falsifying documents used as collateral for a loan amounting to almost 1.1bn baht ($36m, £22.7m) for his media business.

The point is that Sondhi is still leading his band of "geriatric terrorists" despite facing a 20 year jail sentence for fraud.

The key question is whether or not any of these guys repayed the loan. In Sondhi's case I believe he did. In thaksin's case I believe they let the company go bust and the 9.9 Billion was 'gone". Very different case in my opinion.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Populist policies = vote buying. Something this government will NEVER give up.

It's very clear that this government only has short-term policies: bring back Thaksin and.. bring back Thaksin and....uuhh. That's about it unless I am missing something.

Come on kids! Tell me that the DEMS are that same or worse. If that is all you can say.

And if Thaksin is charged, tried, convicted and sentenced will he serve his jail time in the same way Sondhi is serving his?

Didn't know Sondhi also was a part of this scandal.