mania

Yeah that is one thing here in Thailand FB is great for bike related pages.

I have quite a few "liked"

Just hit like which they use instead of "friend" & you get all the updates & sales info

Another good one is called Hachi I have not bought from them but have noticed they have had some good sales

https://www.facebook.com/HachiAccessoriesShop

Kind of smart of the businesses too. They get their advertising all sent to those who have expressed interest in one simple post.

Nice set up Mania.

You know what you need to finish it off, some seat recovering. Probably only 500b or so to have them covered in a much less shiny, plasticky, matte material, perhaps with red stitching alone the brim.

Either way it's looking great.

Thanks & yes I have seen some nice seat jobs like you describe.

I wouldn't mind especially at that price.

Also, On the longer rides like today the seat could use some help.

Maybe a firmer denser padding? But yeah a nice cover like Corbin style would be a nice touch

Oil filter price and p/n if you know it.

I believe the 500 is the same filter as the cbr1000/600rr .... Please let me know as i want to do a oil change today...

Obviously it won't help you today, but K&N filters are 480 baht shipped from 'ybfilters' out of the UK off eBay- they arrive in less than a week with no import charges- I've already got four of 'em.

You'd want the 204.

Thats a good price delivered. Will order some for future use. fyi 450 for a cbr500 filter at big ripoff pattaya

I don't know the price but there is a shop called Fast Corner in CM that stocks most K&N oil & air filters.

Maybe you can call & see?

PS: I also know they have one in Bangkok but do not know if they also stock the K&N's??

Branch owners name: Aek

www.fastcorner.co.th

Panthip Plaza Chiang Mai (Room 1163)

Chang Khlan Rd, Chiang Mai 50100

Tel: 053-288-088-9

GPS: 18.78190/ 98.99993

last year we took out my friends catalytic convertor on his pre 2013 N250..he reported better, more effortless acceleration after 150kph.

cost 400 baht...if your interested, i can point the shop out or take you there, provided the cat is still in the same place on the 2013.

Was only slightly louder and can easily be rewelded back into place.

****Nevermind...the cat appears to have changed locations with an O2 bung hanging out of it, surface area appears to have doubled though, which is probably a good thing for flow.****

Actually I have seen some guys gut the cat on the 300 which is the same pipe.

Just cut & dig the cat material out then re-weld

man, is it really that loud?

Also i noticed, ninja 250s are getting louder than many other bikes sometime with more displacement when an aftermarket pipe is on. It might be the characteristics of the engine i am not sure.

And i can understand you fully. It was hard for me to ride especially long rides with the aftermarket pipe drone of cbr250. Even though i am younger than you, it was too much for me as well.

So, do the pipe has a baffle? Maybe you can modify the baffle to kill more noise?

Yeah the pipe had what they call a DB killer which is a very small change of a perf pipe of sorts.

But basically you can see thru the can if you look before installing so you know it is going to be loud

You know also it does depend on bikes.

A N250 lives between 10 & 13,000 rpm so that can get loud with a straight can no matter the brand.

It is a trade off for sure. Anything that will muffle the sound will also restrict the exit flow

Took a long ride of about 360km today with the wife.

Beautiful ride towards Chiang Rai & then up to Phayao

The section from Wang Nua to Phayao is extra fun!

During the ride I did notice the difference of not having the pipe.

Again mainly in the mid range rev speeds. I would have to say with the pipe is not faster per se' but quicker

due to the better acceleration mid range.

Will see if something comes out for it that is less restrictive but not so loud. If not this is fine & at the end of a

day it will always be a 250 right?

Awesome little bike, Reckon I'll buy one and a full set of leathers and ride it to Starbucks for a coffee.

You could join this group ride

like i said, the USA made it through several wars going into very high debt and having periods where they decoupled from gold... and everything worked out in the end.

fiat money is a good invention.

That Civil war was the one & only war they decoupled as you say & went back to gold.

Everything worked out in the end? This is what you call worked out?

http://oddhammer.com/tutorials/debt_clock/US_debt_clock_dynamic.swf

Yeah good invention for folks that want to spend others futures on wars today etc.

As I said'

"Personally I do not know or care if gold ever became the measure of a dollar note ever again.

But to say it never was is silly."

I am not here to argue a return to a gold standard. I was only replying to yours & PCA's earlier statement.

I do not think this thread was about the gold standard etc was it?

Why don't you go ahead & tell the class the average lifespan of any fiat or the

longest any single fiat currency ever survived?

The USD has made it through countless wars and survived. Why should this crisis be any different?

The USD became a Fiat Currency after 1971 when Nixon cancelled the convertibility of dollars into gold.

So the US gov didn't "print money" during the civil war?

Actually a good example against your statement of

"The USD has made it through countless wars and survived. Why should this crisis be any different?"

As during the Civil war they did not have enough real money which backed/empowered the dollar of the day to pay for their overspending

so temporarily suspended the convertibility of the dollar into the true money that backed it. Basically making the "good as gold" USD a fiat

at that time, albeit temporarily.

These were Fiat notes & not convertible on demand & were called "greenbacks"

But all of this again goes against the claim you made & the even sillier claim PCA made that gold

never was & would never be money.

Personally I do not know or care if gold ever became the measure of a dollar note ever again.

But to say it never was is silly.

I actually agree with part of your first statement...

"Anything can be traded or bartered. So everything is money now?"

It has pretty much always been so. In fact a good argument could be that labor was the first money.

It's a pity so many riders choose bikes on cheapness, instead of the actual bike.

you are absolutely right, tomorrow i will order a Panigale

Good lad.

Kit it out with the Versys shocks and forks and you've got a good allrounder.

Now now...Ducati has their own Versy/Honda X type bike....

..

Did get a couple more rides in.

Impressions are that the pipe & filter change did give

quite a decent boost in perceived power. ( As no dyno done )

Mainly in the mid-range being most noticeable.

It seemed as if the transmission had been changed to a close ratio setup as it quickly

topped each gear much faster than before.

Nicer on some the hills here that have tight switchbacks & just more peppy

in the mid gears.

Top end improvements were there but harder to judge as I just did not have the open roads.

I will say 160kph came up much quicker or as soon as I clicked into 6th after

taking 5th to near redline.

All that aside yesterday I removed the pipe & sold it today on a Thai ninja site.

Sold quickly as it is a well regarded pipe & I knocked off a couple thousand baht

for the experiment.

I must be getting old because the noise was ultimately too much for me & bordered on obnoxious IMHO

I like to ride & the places I ride are beautiful mountain roads that are nice, fast & twisty.

The racket from this pipe just really took away more than it gave to my riding pleasure.

I am not kidding at one point I passed a Thai couple on a bike riding the Samoeng loop

who were holding a sleeping child between them.

The look on their face drove home what I already knew

On a track no problem. But this pipe was just too loud for me on these nice mountain roads.

aside from that couple I passed I am pretty sure the folks who live on those roads would not mind not hearing

this racket either

I have said before that this bike has a very nice exhaust tone with the stock exhaust.

Especially when using engine braking & the whir of the straight cut gears sings down mountain passes.

A very pleasing tone & not at all obnoxious.

Yes there was a performance gain but the price for what it was IMO was just too high for me.

YMMV

My regular plate just arrived a couple weeks ago & I bought my bike before Xmas.

Another problem is it seems only falangs buy

in a lump sum. New or used

Most locals want to finance & if doing

so find financing a new bike at a dealer easier

Look back at history.

We have had the internet for only like 50 years.

I guess that means that the internet is going to gone soon.

Electricity and condoms as well.

It's amazing how every single thing a gold bugs says can make absolutely no logical sense.

You should stop embarrassing yourself

A person need not be a gold bug to be interested in historical facts pertaining to money, currencies etc.

Why don't you go ahead & tell the class the average lifespan of any fiat or the

longest any single fiat currency ever survived?

The USD has made it through countless wars and survived. Why should this crisis be any different?

The USD became a Fiat Currency after 1971 when Nixon cancelled the convertibility of dollars into gold.

Guess further if you like, History and fact in one sentence is already topic enough to keep you busy forever.

And yet no substance?

Why don't you go ahead & tell the class the average lifespan of any fiat or the

longest any single fiat currency ever survived?

You have reminded me why I stopped reading this forum

Thanks

How does that make gold money? Anything can be traded or bartered. So everything is money now?

No I think you have Money & Currency confused.

Gold has always been money

Fiat paper is a currency/coin of a realm creation that is used

as money

I'd say you got it even more confused. Gold was never money and also never will.

You are not one for historical facts I guess

How does that make gold money? Anything can be traded or bartered. So everything is money now?

No I think you have Money & Currency confused.

Gold has always been money

Fiat paper is a currency/coin of a realm creation that is used

as money

Anyone know if the engine in the 2013 Ninja is the same as the Ninja 300 - except for the stroke?

I know the stroke is different according to manufacturer specs, but what about the rest of the engine? Or is the Thai 250 the same engine as pre 2013 models but with minor changes?

Having stroked out a CBR 150 engine in the past, i know it can be a very big difference in torque.

Everything is the same except the increased stroke both are 62 bore but the Thai engine has 41.2 stroke & the

300 engine has a 49 stroke

The 300 engine also has a slipper clutch

With the base lending rate at 2.75% and forecast to be lowered early next week to 2.50% or even 2.25%, is nobody nervous that several banks continue to offer deposit rates as high as 3.4%, I am, extremely so.

Does remind one of Icesave Bank

check out this Z-Moto 1000

http://www.motorradonline.de/einzeltests/tuning-z-supermoto-von-thomas-holzner/442190

http://www.motorradonline.de/testsfahrberichte/tuning-z-supermoto-von-thomas-holzner/448451#1-442190

Man that looks like fun!

Enjoy!

.LL 1st sentence doesnt make sense to me?.Im also an owner of cbr250 ,yes the 500cc is double the cc with better torque but i reached 179km in stock form and im not paying 100k baht more to get to 190km from an cbr500

It is hard to use single absolutes like top speed as

an end all yardstick of why folks buy different bikes at

different prices with different characteristics, power delivery,comfort etc.

I am not sure of LL's exact meaning but I would imagine it meant something along

the lines of somethings do cost more to build due to their composition & parts

Of course a twin costs more than a single cylinder to make.

If comparing price AND composition, characteristics etc. Then to be fair of course we would compare

twins with twins etc.

Not so different in other markets like cars, trucks etc. None compare a Vigo 2dr coupe with

a 4 door highlander. Although they both get you to your destination at similar speeds

so the bikes are pretty similar, but the CBR is 2/3 of the price of the Kawa...so a resounding win for the Honda then ?

IMHO....

Actually a win for you if you like the CBR better because you can save some baht.

It is not really a contest between the two bikes as they are two very different bikes.

But in any case as I said a win for you if the cbr is what you want because you get to save some baht.

For others like myself the choice was clear & the cbr was never in the running.

For myself & others taste/preferences etc. in a bike/engine characteristics/visuals or what ever choice was based on

the N250 was the clear winner so we paid the asking price.

It is good to have more than one flavor/type etc. to choose from though I think we all agree on that

His assistant then came over and said......"if you do not buy and sell real estate or vehicles frequently you do not need one. It is not for foreigners on retirement visa".

I do not consider myself to be a buyer/seller of vehicles & real estate yet...

In the little over one year I have been here I have needed 4 of these things.

I buy them at the US consulate for $50 USD a pop

So when folks complain about the Thai corrupt system I have to admit the Thai system has nothing on the US system.

The US system asks you to swear you live where you claim, never check any facts that you actually do & give you a paper

yet they want $50 or 1600 Baht for it