Spoonman

Upon being told no can swap back I would immediatley set to task to open new account then tell em transfer the full balance and close the account.

Water was approx 300mm deep however as it was a flooded soi the length of water was about 800m.

Yes you have some issues with Ford to address, delivery of the spare's you require but that is a minor point. As for bent con rod when we used to live in Darwin my friend went into some deep water and that was a result not over fueling. As for dept of 300mm the Toyoto handbook says can do 500mm but don't forget when you are pushing water you have a bow wave and it can run over the bonnet and into the intake air manifold under the right guard. This is all a can of worm's and more question's asked and still no perfect answer as customer think's they are right and Ford same same. So thanks for all you info but I think it's time for me to sit on the fence.

would be an impressive bow wave to go over the bonnet of a Hi-Rider Ranger given a water depth of 300mm.

Water was approx 300mm deep however as it was a flooded soi the length of water was about 800m.

What is the legal warranty though ?

It is basically stated in the owners manual to the effect of their policy in regards to water ingress.

What law in Thailand says Ford has to replace engines under warranty if suspected water ingress ?

Pattaya Powder Coating does vibrant colours like those. maybe ask them where they get their powders from.

What a nightmare for you Spoonman, I fell sorry for you.

So if you had called the insurance before Ford took the engine apart would they have covered the cost?

I saw a Vigo truck once that had a V8 sign on the rear, I though he was bullshiting untill I rolled my side window down and listened, wow.

The Vigo then disapered quikly with smoking rear tires when the lights turned green .

Have you considered a non Ford engine?

Yep. If Ford had not have touch it the Insurance Company would have covered the repairs.

Now that I think of it part of the Ford Thailand Policy inregards to possible water ingress is if they suspect that is the issue they are to notify the customer to inform their insurance BEFORE they will pull it to bits.

Thanks for explanation there is a lot to take in I will do some of my research and sure will have a question.

It would be nice to have photo's of all the damaged part's bent con rod's and ruined seat, broken fuel pump or is it a part on the fuel pump.

Seat and console swapped for parts from a pre-production vehicle at work. Pump already sent to Bangkok for repairs.

Here is one of the bent conrods.

What model Ranger and did you modify it?

August Built 2012 model XLT Hi-Rider, Only mods are cosmetic (chrome removed/shaved tail gate/wheels etc).

You do know Ford pulled up stumps in OZ before Holden did don't you.

Guess that is the end of Bathurst.

Nope.

Without Holdens and fords what are they going to be racing, the imported Thai vios?

Mercedes and Nissan are already running and Volvo will be on the track soon.

Due to the COTY chassis any body can be put on top and as both Ford and Holden are still going to be selling vehicles in Australia if they choose to they can drop one of those bodies on.

When Holden announced that were closing up shop so-called experts said it was because Holden didn't export enough like Ford does. Then Ford announced they would close up shop too. The experts said Toyota would continue because if they closed up then the Australian Motor Industry would be dead. Toyota has now made that announcement.

You do know Ford pulled up stumps in OZ before Holden did don't you.

Guess that is the end of Bathurst.

Nope.

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Add on top of that no export market (no one wants a bogan ute outside of OZ) and the cars you do export are hindered by a high AUD then it all adds up to an industry which was never viable.

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Holden exported an average 15,000 vehicle per year for 50 years, and nearly 5 million engines since 1981.

Seems someone liked the Holden products, shame they could not capitalize on this.

Yep. To a country also known as New Zealand. Another huge market of 4 million. I think some US backwater states have more people.

You really should educate yourself rather than vomiting up your ill informed posts.

Holden Vehicle Exports.

]In managing the country's largest and longest-running automotive export program, Holden has now sent more than 747,000 vehicles around the world in five decades.

The first exports of FJ Holden sedans to New Zealand in 1954 were quickly followed by shipments of completely knocked down (CKD) packs for offshore assembly. By 1966 Holden vehicles and CKD packs were being shipped to more than 60 markets.

The HQ model range released in 1971 proved a hugely successful export. In 1973, shipments reached a record 41,181 units, representing 25 per cent of Holden's total annual production.

In the 1980s, while exports of Commodore and long wheelbase derivatives continued, the emphasis changed from vehicles to engines. Holden returned to volume vehicle exports in 1998 with the commencement of a major program involving shipments of left hand drive versions of VT Commodores to the Middle East and Brazil.

By 2004 the vehicle export tally of 52,372 units had eclipsed the single-year record set by the HQ. In the same year, Holden, in conjunction with Holden Special Vehicles (HSV), commenced shipments to the United Kingdom (HSV GTO).

In 2005, an all-time record number of 60,518 Holden sedans, utes and coupes in right- or left-hand-drive configuration were exported to every continent except Antarctica. They were sold under the GM brands of Chevrolet (Brazil, Middle East, Thailand, Malaysia and South Africa), Pontiac (United States), Buick (China), GM Daewoo (South Korea), Vauxhall (United Kingdom) and Holden (New Zealand and Fiji).

The Middle East continued to be the strongest export market for Holden in 2006, with sales of more than 31,000 Chevrolet Lumina (Commodore) and Chevrolet Caprice sedans buoyed by the success of the all-new VE and WM ranges. The luxury Caprice accounted for 64 per cent of these sales.

In 2006, Commodore models were exported to Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Oman, Lebanon, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait, Yemen, Jordan, New Zealand, Brazil, North America, Fiji, Brunei and South Africa. Statesman/Caprice models were exported to Middle East regions and New Zealand.

The Pontiac GTO, based on the Holden Monaro, was exported to the United States until production ceased in June 2006. Holden exports to the United States recommenced late in 2007 when the VE Commodore SS took its place among GM high performance flagship vehicles as the Pontiac G8.

Engine Exports

The first shipments of Holden Family II four-cylinder engines, manufactured in Port Melbourne, were sent to the United Kingdom in 1981.

By 1983, markets also included West Germany, South Africa and New Zealand. Exports to South Korea commenced in 1987 and the one millionth export engine milestone was reached in 1988.

By the time the two millionth export engine was produced in 1994, more than $1 million in export revenue was being generated every working day, servicing a customer base that included South Korea, Taiwan, Indonesia, Germany, India, Egypt, South Africa and the UK.

The three millionth four cylinder export engine was shipped out in 1999, by which time Holden engine and component exports had generated more than $3 billion in export revenue.

In 2003 Holden began exporting Global V6 engines from its new $400 million engine plant at Port Melbourne. The plant is capable of producing 900 engines a day or 240,000 engines a year.

The four millionth Holden engine, a 2.8 litre Turbo V6 bound for Sweden and the engine bay of a Saab 9-3 Aero, was exported in November 2005.

In 2006, Holden exported 211,000 V6 and Family II engines. Export destinations included Italy, Germany, Sweden, South Korea and Thailand (Global V6); South Korea, China, Thailand and South Africa (Family II).

In 2007, Holden announced plans to export two versions of the Global V6 engine to China. They will power the new Buick Park Avenue being built by Shanghai General Motors.

http://www.holden.com.au/corporate/exports

This is what happens when wages and payroll taxes and other taxes and other costs get too high.

Ford is re-opening some plants and even building some new ones in the US, and Toyota has several plants in the US building cars and pickups. They are expanding them.

I'm just listening to the story on TV right now, one interesting politician said that the unions had a big part to do with this, pushing up costs and demanding too many benefits, so it's not the government to blame entirely.

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Add on top of that no export market (no one wants a bogan ute outside of OZ) and the cars you do export are hindered by a high AUD then it all adds up to an industry which was never viable.

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Holden exported an average 15,000 vehicle per year for 50 years, and nearly 5 million engines since 1981.

Seems someone liked the Holden products, shame they could not capitalize on this.

Does the car have a blue book ?

If yes get the insurance (compulsory) sorted then drive to the Land Transport Dept out on the 36 near Regents, they will tell you if an inspection is needed and if it is the inspection station is just opposite them.

The test is easy.

Go back to LTD once test cert issued then sort out any back taxes owed and pay for new tax disc.

Are you also looking to change blue book into your name ?

I should also add to the above, the parts (gaskets and stuff) that are on order. I sent Ford Thailand an email asking them about their 24hr parts delivery guarantee.

http://www.ford.co.th/en/ford-owners/services-delivery-guarantee

They told me nup no can do, the parts need to be ordered via an authorized dealer and they must fit the parts, I replied telling them the parts were ordered through our Ford Dealer in BKK (citing the dealership code) and that the parts will be fitted by them.

The silence is deafening.

I remember the first cars into production: the Toyota Tiara. People either fell about laughing or swore never to buy anything Japanese because of the war. Of course it evolved into the Corolla, arguably one of the most successful cars in history.

All the big companies had assembly plants in Australia . Sad day to see manufacturing go

Corona, Not Corolla.

I thought Holden decided to quit first.

I stand corrected - Ford announced first but said they would stop in 88 years time. In reality they will stop in 2-3 years time roughly the same as Holden and Toyota.

No. Ford said they will close their plants in 2016.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-23/ford-to-close-geelong-and-broadmeadows-plants/4707960

you should really stick to facts that are easily obtained rather than talk utter nonsense.

So no answer to substantiate the "peddler of Death" claims then.

Iam not surprised actually.

It is pointless getting into a pissing contest with drug addicts. Thier brains are already mashed and they see spacemen in bright suits throwing roses and the whole world is beautiful. oh look at that, it's so beautiful, oh I'm floating on Mars. WOW this is amazing I never want to see reality again.

Are you saying Iam a drug addict ?

When Holden announced that were closing up shop so-called experts said it was because Holden didn't export enough like Ford does. Then Ford announced they would close up shop too. The experts said Toyota would continue because if they closed up then the Australian Motor Industry would be dead. Toyota has now made that announcement.

You do know Ford pulled up stumps in OZ before Holden did don't you.

A few years back I rented a brand new Suzuki Hayate for 2k per month here in Pattaya. Turns out the guy would get them on the drip and never make a payment on them..... he was getting 3 to 4 months rent on em before they got repossessed.

He had about 50 scooters on the go.

Hahahahahaha, the unions called Toyota's "bluff" and it backfired.

If there is a "written" or an "unwritten" rule in Thailand it means absolutely NOTHING !.

The ONLY thing that matters in a case that the OP mentioned "if you were in an accident at a crossway......" is

1) WHO you are dealing with in the accident

2) How much will they accept right there and then.

3) If police are called in then how you present yourself etc (We all know if you are farang you are in the wrong anyways).

4) Who's Insurance company gets there first

5) Who has better insurance; "The person with the better insurance loses".

SO not to be rude to the OP in any way............PLEASE do not use the word "Rule" in Thailand.

If in an accident lock to doors, wind up the windows and call the insurance company. no need to deal with anyone other than the insurance company.

Boogie, Not Boogey.

Check post #73.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/702799-australia-drug-convict-schapelle-corby-granted-parole/?p=7420290

Been waiting 5 weeks now for some exhaust gaskets to put my Ranger back together, only been 8 months since I last drove it.

Ford Thailand are the most useless bunch of people I have EVER had to deal with.

Anything else you want to complain about. You said you had the motor already why would your exhaust gasket be broken.

Not a complaint merely a reflection on how Ford treats its customers. btw when you put an engine together you usually use new gaskets, well I do anyways.

If you would like me to complain I reckon you will here it when I discover the injectors are no good because they just threw them into the back of the pickup without a thought of wrapping them up.

Only 18k (each) to replace but hey, thems the breaks when you deal with Ford.

I'm not blaming you or Ford but if I knew the injector's were in the back unwrapped I would have taken care by now. I don't believe this break's the deal with Ford there is more to this story that you are not telling. Why not open a new post and detail line for line what has happened and why as it's all over the shop and hard to find where fault lies. I think many would be interested to know.

In point format what has happened to my Ranger.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/703775-my-ranger-saga-for-member-john-1/

Day - June 6^th 2013

Time – 10.30pm

Location – Soi Khao Noi

• Flooded soi – I follow a Toyota sedan into it and pace myself behind.
• Ranger start to run slow so I give it more throttle
• Engine Stops
• All electrical power lost
• Power comes back
• Restart engine with assistance of jumper leads
• Drive home, engine running extremely rough
• Next morning call Ford, Told if vehicle starts and no warning lights drive to closest dealer

Hear nothing for 2 weeks, Our own Ford dealer cannot get any info from Ford Pattaya.

• Get a call saying warranty void due to bent conrods, suspect water ingress.
• Go to inspect engine.
• Engine and Gearbox removed from Vehicle, Engine completely stripped.
• Ask about suspected water ingress and told no examination performed as warranty is void.

Ford Thailand Policy = water in engine, warranty void.

• Visual of the vehicle reveals engine pieces thrown randomly into pickup bed, engine block is sitting on the concrete floor, Radiator is on passenger seat and has leaked coolant onto the seat, console and carpet.

Moved vehicle from Ford Pattaya to our own Dealership in Bangkok

• Call insurance company to tell them of the situation only to be told as vehicle has been dismantled insurance claim is void.

Vehicle sits at dealership for a few months whilst many phone calls and meetings happen with Ford Thailand, Ford Asia-Pacific and Ford America.

Consensus is no-one can overrule the decision by Ford Thailand.

• All intake parts brought to my place of employment to pressure test them to find how the water entered the engine as the air cleaner was never wet, the dust in the bottom of the housing confirms this.
• I say fuc_k it and purchase a new short engine, it arrives with no engine number.
• Lots of leg work to organize a number and the paperwork for the DLT, this takes 3 months.
• Present short engine and all paperwork to DLT and they say they cannot authorize the number to be stamped.
• Engine goes back to AAT to have them stamp the number, they cannot do it either.
• Vehicle brought to my work

We are now in the last week of November.

• Ford Thailand agrees to exchange the short engine for a long engine which has the engine number stamped.

• Engine arrives early December but due to people on work trips/end of year holidays everything sits till the 6^th of January 2014.

Technicians at my work empty out all the parts to catalogue what is ok, what is not ok.

• Fuel pump has a broken drive – Yay.
• Fuel Injectors and fuel rail laying in old engine oil and dirt - Yay
• Everything else appears to be OK (won't know if anything else is damaged until assembly begins).
• New Engine does not have crankshaft spigot bearing, Ford do not sell this part.

Place order with ford for exhaust/turbo/EGR and other assorted gaskets. Also order bolts that are missing and new filters and fluids on Monday 13^th 2014

• 2 weeks later filters and fluids arrive.
• Monday 10^th of February, Ford cannot confirm when rest of order will arrive.

And this is where Iam at.

To this day the reason for the so called water ingress cannot be explained, infact it is becoming a theme for Rangers that go through water the crank angle sensor disrupted allowing the injector timing to be thrown out of whack momentarily and injecting fuel at the wrong time…

This is most probably the cause of the bent conrods but Ford deny this happens.

The vehicle is now 18 months old and has 13,000 km on the clock...... still 2,000 to go before the first service !!!!

Been waiting 5 weeks now for some exhaust gaskets to put my Ranger back together, only been 8 months since I last drove it.

Ford Thailand are the most useless bunch of people I have EVER had to deal with.

Anything else you want to complain about. You said you had the motor already why would your exhaust gasket be broken.

Not a complaint merely a reflection on how Ford treats its customers. btw when you put an engine together you usually use new gaskets, well I do anyways.

If you would like me to complain I reckon you will here it when I discover the injectors are no good because they just threw them into the back of the pickup without a thought of wrapping them up.

Only 18k (each) to replace but hey, thems the breaks when you deal with Ford.

Been waiting 5 weeks now for some exhaust gaskets to put my Ranger back together, only been 8 months since I last drove it.

Ford Thailand are the most useless bunch of people I have EVER had to deal with.