Britain could still reverse Brexit, former minister Heseltine says

[tomacht8]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Yes for real, and children under 8 should be supervised when blowing balloons up, how much do these people get paid for making stupid rules up?

It is obvious that you do not know what RAPEX messages are and how the product safety laws are implemented within the EU.

In the EU, about 2,500 products (types) are withdrawn from the market each year, where there is a risk of suffocation, strangulation, electrocution, etc.

Over 30 per cent were toys.

Over 65 per cent were goods from china.

When you look at the one balloon example isolated, it looks ridiculous.

But if you see the other withdrawn

2499 life-threatening products, you would assess the work of the EU in terms of product safety differently.

[Grouse]

4 hours ago, notmyself said:

 

Is the imposition of the Lisbon treaty not sufficient?

We ratified it. Opt outs could have been negotiated. So we were not forced to go along with it. Is there a specific part which doesn't appeal?

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

It is illegal to eat pet horses, but other types of horses are fine. 

What's wrong with horse meat?

 

Just another mammal 

[Khun Han]

2 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

It is obvious that you do not know what RAPEX messages are and how the product safety laws are implemented within the EU.

In the EU, about 2,500 products (types) are withdrawn from the market each year, where there is a risk of suffocation, strangulation, electrocution, etc.

Over 30 per cent were toys.

Over 65 per cent were goods from china.

When you look at the one balloon example isolated, it looks ridiculous.

But if you see the other withdrawn

2499 life-threatening products, you would assess the work of the EU in terms of product safety differently.

 

But what about eating your pet horse?

[adammike]

17 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

But what about eating your pet horse?

You can eat it no problem but you are not allowed to slaughter it.got it.or sell the meat it must be slaughtered in a slaughter house.

[Khun Han]

21 minutes ago, adammike said:

You can eat it no problem but you are not allowed to slaughter it.got it.or sell the meat it must be slaughtered in a slaughter house.

 

Well, at least Sheung Wan has a sense of humour.

[notmyself]

4 hours ago, Grouse said:

We ratified it. Opt outs could have been negotiated. So we were not forced to go along with it. Is there a specific part which doesn't appeal?

 

UK government ratified it in full knowledge that such an action would be against the will of the electorate. It could be argued that the then Labour government was unaware of the level of opposition to it which would then lead to asking why the change of heart regarding having a referendum? The answer from the government was that the now called 'Lisbon treaty' was different in such a way and to such a degree that it did not require one. In reality, it was exactly the same thing but introduced as an add on instead of being a separate entity.

 

”The Treaty of Lisbon is the same as the rejected constitution. Only the format has

been changed to avoid referendums.”

 

Valéry Giscard d’Estaing,

former French President and President

of the Constitutional Convention in several

European newspapers, 27 October 2007

 

[please note the following links to a pdf].

 

http://eudemocrats.org/eud/uploads/downloads/e-Lissabon_til_nettet.pdf

 

Good or bad (it doesn't matter which) the so called Brexit was a direct result of the actions taken

[vogie]

7 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

It is obvious that you do not know what RAPEX messages are and how the product safety laws are implemented within the EU.

In the EU, about 2,500 products (types) are withdrawn from the market each year, where there is a risk of suffocation, strangulation, electrocution, etc.

Over 30 per cent were toys.

Over 65 per cent were goods from china.

When you look at the one balloon example isolated, it looks ridiculous.

But if you see the other withdrawn

2499 life-threatening products, you would assess the work of the EU in terms of product safety differently.

What's your take on misshaped bananas, are they more likely to get caught in the osaphagus on the way down? Are straight bananas a less of an health and safety risk? 

[vogie]

6 hours ago, Grouse said:

What's wrong with horse meat?

 

Just another mammal 

Neigh, there is nothing wrong with horse meat, but the point is, is pet horse meat tainted or something by giving it too many sugar lumps, compared to the other type of horses. 

[tomacht8]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

What's your take on misshaped bananas, are they more likely to get caught in the osaphagus on the way down? Are straight bananas a less of an health and safety risk? 

You mean the banana market regulation or better "common market organization for bananas, GMO"?Since then, there are three types of bananas for the administration. Community bananas come directly from an EU country. ACP bananas are bananas grown in Africa, the Caribbean or the Pacific. These are mostly former colonies of France and Great Britain, which have joined together in the Lomé Convention.

 

It was especially the UK, which made itself strong for this regulation to keep their bananas competitive.

 

As you can see this funny Banana regulation was largely originated in the homoristic UK.

[vogie]

21 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

You mean the banana market regulation or better "common market organization for bananas, GMO"?Since then, there are three types of bananas for the administration. Community bananas come directly from an EU country. ACP bananas are bananas grown in Africa, the Caribbean or the Pacific. These are mostly former colonies of France and Great Britain, which have joined together in the Lomé Convention.

 

It was especially the UK, which made itself strong for this regulation to keep their bananas competitive.

 

As you can see this funny Banana regulation was largely originated in the homoristic UK.

I can't remember the British being too bothered about bendy bananas and curved cucumbers before we joined the common market, infact we always thought that these fruits were of a curved structure anyway. The EU ruling on cucumbers states that they "Under the present regulations, Class 1 cucumbers must be "practically straight" and be bent by a gradient of no more than 1/10." Now correct me if I'm wrong but don't you think that this is a tad over the top? And as to the EU rulings, we will fight them on the peaches!

[nauseus]

9 hours ago, Grouse said:

We ratified it. Opt outs could have been negotiated. So we were not forced to go along with it. Is there a specific part which doesn't appeal?

The only thing that does appeal is Article 50!

[tomacht8]

22 minutes ago, vogie said:

I can't remember the British being too bothered about bendy bananas and curved cucumbers before we joined the common market, infact we always thought that these fruits were of a curved structure anyway. The EU ruling on cucumbers states that they "Under the present regulations, Class 1 cucumbers must be "practically straight" and be bent by a gradient of no more than 1/10." Now correct me if I'm wrong but don't you think that this is a tad over the top? And as to the EU rulings, we will fight them on the peaches!

Ask your big uk food traders what sales shelf conformity means.

You complain about the eu regulations, but ignore completely that these have also arisen with the cooperation of the uk.

 

Btw: the first banana regulation is from 1993, the uk was long time before a member of the eu.

 

 

[vogie]

16 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Ask your big uk food traders what sales shelf conformity means.

You complain about the eu regulations, but ignore completely that these have also arisen with the cooperation of the uk.

 

Are you making this up as you go along, the EU also stated that a swede may be called a turnip as long as it's in a Cornish pasty. Can you catagorically say, with your hand on your heart that these rules/directives are so trite they are totally unbelievable, only a numpty would think otherwise. 

[tomacht8]

12 minutes ago, vogie said:

Are you making this up as you go along, the EU also stated that a swede may be called a turnip as long as it's in a Cornish pasty. Can you catagorically say, with your hand on your heart that these rules/directives are so trite they are totally unbelievable, only a numpty would think otherwise. 

Yes, the normal citizen can only shake his head. Behind the regulations are the huge international companies with their interests. And the big companies from the uk are also present in the frontline.

Fortunately, you can still buy crooked cucumbers from your local farmer or grow them yourself.

[SheungWan]

47 minutes ago, vogie said:

Are you making this up as you go along, the EU also stated that a swede may be called a turnip as long as it's in a Cornish pasty. Can you catagorically say, with your hand on your heart that these rules/directives are so trite they are totally unbelievable, only a numpty would think otherwise. 

I am always impressed with the things forum Brexiteers get most agitated about. I excuse them on the grounds that there isn't much else to do in the provinces.

[vogie]

22 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

I am always impressed with the things forum Brexiteers get most agitated about. I excuse them on the grounds that there isn't much else to do in the provinces.

Sorry to dissapoint you SW, but one of your colleagues asked for examples of stupid EU regs/directives, I simply provided a few of the many inane laws. Even you must admit the stupidity of laws?

[Jip99]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

Sorry to dissapoint you SW, but one of your colleagues asked for examples of stupid EU regs/directives, I simply provided a few of the many inane laws. Even you must admit the stupidity of laws?

 

 

He won't.

[transam]

30 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

I am always impressed with the things forum Brexiteers get most agitated about. I excuse them on the grounds that there isn't much else to do in the provinces.

Brixton....?

[pitrevie]

45 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

I am always impressed with the things forum Brexiteers get most agitated about. I excuse them on the grounds that there isn't much else to do in the provinces.

This explains the situation re the turnip and swede at the request of the Cornish Pasty Association. 

The European Commission and Cornish Pasty Association said in a statement: "It was The Cornish Pasty Association who dictated the recipe and ingredients, even the conditions to produce the pastry, as well as the geographical area where it can be produced, in its application for an EU quality label for its famous pasties."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/7954303/Turnip-or-swede-Brussels-rules-on-ingredients-of-Cornish-pasty.html

Funny how the EU gets blamed even when they try to protect traditional items at the request of the native association.

[baansgr]

Interesting reading today about the Eastern Bloc EU countries on there stance about accepting asylum seekers and economic migrants. Seems like a one way street sometimes, maybe a 2nd referendum is a good idea to clear up once and for all that the majority of the UK that vote prefer to exit.

[chang50]

4 minutes ago, baansgr said:

Interesting reading today about the Eastern Bloc EU countries on there stance about accepting asylum seekers and economic migrants. Seems like a one way street sometimes, maybe a 2nd referendum is a good idea to clear up once and for all that the majority of the UK that vote prefer to exit.

We've had a second referendum already in 2016 the first was in 1975 another would be a third,people have such short memories..

[transam]

Wasn't Heseltine the bloke who decimated the UK coal industry, putting zillions out of work because they could buy it cheaper from Poland..

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Brixton....?

South of the River. Doesn't count.

[SheungWan]

49 minutes ago, transam said:

Wasn't Heseltine the bloke who decimated the UK coal industry, putting zillions out of work because they could buy it cheaper from Poland..

Careful where you go with that one. Polish coal imported by Thatcher to break the Miners Strike in '84.

[transam]

1 minute ago, SheungWan said:

Careful where you go with that one. Polish coal imported by Thatcher to break the Miners Strike in '84.

But fact...

[vogie]

1 hour ago, pitrevie said:

This explains the situation re the turnip and swede at the request of the Cornish Pasty Association. 

The European Commission and Cornish Pasty Association said in a statement: "It was The Cornish Pasty Association who dictated the recipe and ingredients, even the conditions to produce the pastry, as well as the geographical area where it can be produced, in its application for an EU quality label for its famous pasties."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/7954303/Turnip-or-swede-Brussels-rules-on-ingredients-of-Cornish-pasty.html

Funny how the EU gets blamed even when they try to protect traditional items at the request of the native association.

The irony of it is you can call swede a turnip if put in a Cornish Pasty, but if you put real turnip in a Cornish pasty you would be breaking EU regs. Is it me?

[SheungWan]

13 minutes ago, vogie said:

The irony of it is you can call swede a turnip if put in a Cornish Pasty, but if you put real turnip in a Cornish pasty you would be breaking EU regs. Is it me?

Not just you. Many turnips.

[pitrevie]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Wasn't Heseltine the bloke who decimated the UK coal industry, putting zillions out of work because they could buy it cheaper from Poland..

Nope that was accomplished long before Heseltime was involved. If you recall MacGregor was appointed by Margaret Thatcher and proceeded with Scargill's help destroying the coal industry.

[notmyself]

1 hour ago, chang50 said:

We've had a second referendum already in 2016 the first was in 1975 another would be a third,people have such short memories..

 

Maybe we should make it best of five, or seven.