Thai university lecturer unpunished for forcing female students to pose nude

[berybert]

22 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

He needs to be named and shamed to stop him preying on other girls. Imagine if it was YOUR daughter.

They don't imagine it is their own daughter.

Most who don't see a problem with it, is because it is a Thai girl and they are all sat at home having a hand shandy.

[cyberfarang]

If these girls are shouting sexual abuse, then where are their fathers? i can assure you that if something like that happened to my daughter at a school or University I would have created chaos at that University, gone to the press, named the guy even if it meant being arrested myself.

[thenewgoo]

32 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

The women said they were forced.

 

That is coercion and there the scumbag who did this is a sexual predator.

 

Agreed. I cannot accept that it is expected that a female university student take her clothes off  - unless it is a pornography degree maybe  I have studied art at university level (granted not in Thailand) and did some nude sketching - of paid models. This guy is just getting his kicks.

[cyberfarang]

Technically this guy has not broken any laws.

 

The University is wrangling out of it by claiming the teacher was not a member of their staff, only a guest, so they are not responsible and it`s up to the girls to make separate criminal charges against the teacher if they believe he sexually abused them. The girls were asked to pose nude as a form of art not for the purposes of sexual gratification and porn. If the girls fell for the ploy and posed undressed then according to the law they are consenting adults. Common sense wise, all the girls had to do was say a firm NO and call their parents and only then after saying no and the teacher laid his hands on them could they make a claim of sexual assault or attempted rape.

 

Obviously this teacher is a danger and should be barred from ever teaching again in Thailand, but unfortunately the way it stands at the moment those girls do not have a case against the University or the teacher.

[silent]

4 hours ago, smedly said:

he abused his position and influence over these young girls, are you trying to say he did nothing wrong by arguing some sort of sick justification

  he should at least have his TEFL accreditation revoked

 

[Bluespunk]

52 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

Technically this guy has not broken any laws.

 

The University is wrangling out of it by claiming the teacher was not a member of their staff, only a guest, so they are not responsible and it`s up to the girls to make separate criminal charges against the teacher if they believe he sexually abused them. The girls were asked to pose nude as a form of art not for the purposes of sexual gratification and porn. If the girls fell for the ploy and posed undressed then according to the law they are consenting adults. Common sense wise, all the girls had to do was say a firm NO and call their parents and only then after saying no and the teacher laid his hands on them could they make a claim of sexual assault or attempted rape.

 

Obviously this teacher is a danger and should be barred from ever teaching again in Thailand, but unfortunately the way it stands at the moment those girls do not have a case against the University or the teacher.

The women were coerced, not asked, to ''pose'' nude.

 

How is that not breaking the law?

[Briggsy]

There is an enormous power balance in Thailand between students and their lecturers in Thailand. It is not like the West. The lecturer exploited the power imbalance.

 

The fact that he is being protected by the university, the law, the police and his colleagues is a perfect demonstration of how few avenues for recourse victims of this kind of exploitation have in Thailand. Thailand has a long way to go.

[cyberfarang]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

The women were coerced, not asked, to ''pose'' nude.

 

How is that not breaking the law?

Coerced or asked, the law surmises that all adults should be knowledgeable enough to make their own decisions. I do realise that teens and young adults can be vulnerable and easily duped through lack of life experience but the law does not take this into consideration, it only separates people as minors and adults, 18 normally being a transition from being a minor to adulthood in Thailand. So as I said; it`s going to be very difficult filing a case against the teacher.

[Xaos]

First thing they should search his home and secure laptops phones cameras etc

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[Pdaz]

12 hours ago, smedly said:

so you want to see nude photo's of young girls, is that what you are saying ?

 

This so called teacher should have had his home searched then arrested and charged, he is a dangerous sexual predator and abuser for taking pictures of these young girls and has likely done a lot more than take pictures

Or he may just be a normal man that likes to see young women naked. It's a Uni not a kindergarten.

Nowadays it's acceptable to be gender confused/neutral/gay and take part in all sorts of depraved sexual acts that were punishable by death in the last century.. But suddenly when a normal hetro fella is interested in naked girls he's a sick perv... What is the World coming too ? BTW my grandmother got married at 15... Guess my granddad was a paedo ?

 

F F S ! 

[HooHaa]

5 hours ago, manarak said:

what part of my post above is unclear to you?

likely none of it, but shrill indignation can be so very satisfying.

[hotchilli]

6 hours ago, manarak said:

the original story is confusing.

 

in the title he "forced" the students to pose nude. how did he force them?

and then it says "demanded",  "requested"

then it goes on and says "talked into"

 

so which one is it?

 

second - the "young girls" are in university, so we are not talking about anything underage here.

 

third - classical art has a history of nudes. A famous painting of Titian dates back to 1538 (Venus of Urbino).

 

so, while nude art may be illegal in Thailand, asking art students to pose nude is not something that I consider to be overly shocking if it is asked without any coercion and with other people present during the sessions.

In principle I agree with your view, however.... I have a slightly different take on what he was doing.

if he asked the girls to pose for the purpose of an art class, painting or drawing class then I would go along with it as long as the girl was willing...

but it was always for himself, alone & photographs... that raises my suspicions!

Also art being art... which means all things being equal why were male students never asked to be photographed?

I'm sorry I think this guy was using his position & charm to get nude pics of student girls... nothing to do with art or tuition?

[Pdaz]

1 hour ago, berybert said:

They don't imagine it is their own daughter.

Most who don't see a problem with it, is because it is a Thai girl and they are all sat at home having a hand shandy.

My daughter wouldn't be dumb enough to be coerced in that way. It's all down to parenting. If their kids have been brainwashed into following orders without question who's fault is that ?  No different to poor kids being abused by people in authority ( Clergymen, scoutmasters and teachers )  in the West.  The difference is that in the West they target young kids who don't question authority. Try asking a girl in a UK uni to take her clothes off and see how far you get.

[Bluespunk]

33 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

Coerced or asked, the law surmises that all adults should be knowledgeable enough to make their own decisions. I do realise that teens and young adults can be vulnerable and easily duped through lack of life experience but the law does not take this into consideration, it only separates people as minors and adults, 18 normally being a transition from being a minor to adulthood in Thailand. So as I said; it`s going to be very difficult filing a case against the teacher.

Forcing an adult to strip and then take pictures of them isn't a crime?

 

I doubt that very much.

[Mickmouse1]

Well ,may I ask if the Students involved volunteered or coerced into it? They are old enough to object ,refuse and report the matter to the university head if they wanted to.

It is strange that his name was withheld.If they did not say he was a visiting lecturer others may have been mistakenly blames. ?

[Mickmouse1]

I do not agree with the view that it is OK if the pose was for art class purpose.Usually you get an outside models to do that.Also I disagree with the person describing the University Students as children or young girls. They are old enough to know the difference and to say NO. The guy should be Named & Shamed ?

Edited September 7, 2017 by Mickmouse1

[Bluespunk]

22 minutes ago, Mickmouse1 said:

Well ,may I ask if the Students involved volunteered or coerced into it? They are old enough to object ,refuse and report the matter to the university head if they wanted to.

It is strange that his name was withheld.If they did not say he was a visiting lecturer others may have been mistakenly blames. ?

They did complain.

 

The university acting on their complaints is doing nothing.

 

As per usual.

[kkerry]

18 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Since he is a guest lecturer, the only action the university can take is to stop inviting him to teach.

 

What if a guest lecturer started making disrespectful remarks about a certain family? You can be sure the university would suddenly find a multitude of actions they could take.

[smedly]

1 hour ago, Pdaz said:

Or he may just be a normal man that likes to see young women naked. It's a Uni not a kindergarten.

Nowadays it's acceptable to be gender confused/neutral/gay and take part in all sorts of depraved sexual acts that were punishable by death in the last century.. But suddenly when a normal hetro fella is interested in naked girls he's a sick perv... What is the World coming too ? BTW my grandmother got married at 15... Guess my granddad was a paedo ?

 

F F S ! 

OMG seriously, I'm not going to say any more otherwise I'd get a posting holiday, all I will say is - you are pretty sick if you think all this is normal behavior

[smedly]

Imagine this

 

come to my office later I want you to strip naked so I can take photos of you - it is part of my course, if you don't comply your grades will suffer

 

The guy is a sicko and a sexual predator using his position for sexual explotation 

[Pdaz]

1 hour ago, smedly said:

OMG seriously, I'm not going to say any more otherwise I'd get a posting holiday, all I will say is - you are pretty sick if you think all this is normal behavior

So you really don't think a man wanting to seen young women naked is normal ?  Did you have an interest in naked women when you were 16 ? Have you lost that interest now that you are older ?

Strange. Why if it's not normal is the internet bursting with naked pictures, Movies stars are youthful and often strip off and nude shows and gogo bars are everywhere. 

 

I'm not saying it isn't bad behavior and I'm not condoning it. But sexual attraction and curiosity is perfectly normal.

I hope I never lose interest in the naked female form.

[jak2002003]

7 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Wouldn't they be at least 18?

Something is lacking if young women don't have the self confidence to stand up to this sexual predator and bully. A pity a few of them haven't (as yet) brought charges against him.

Women, and particularly young women here are not allowed to stand up for themselves to anyone older than then, or anyone 'higher' up on the 'respect' ladder.  They are taught and conditioned to not say anything against anyone who is older than them, even other females.  

Its this part of the culture that need to change.  Also those few that do have the confidence to try to bring charges are treaded very badly and loose a lot of face for themselves and their families, who would rather just hush it up and sweep the matter under the carpet, or ignore it and pretend it never happened.

 

[jak2002003]

5 minutes ago, Pdaz said:

So you really don't think a man wanting to seen young women naked is normal ?  Did you have an interest in naked women when you were 16 ? Have you lost that interest now that you are older ?

Strange. Why if it's not normal is the internet bursting with naked pictures, Movies stars are youthful and often strip off and nude shows and gogo bars are everywhere. 

 

I'm not saying it isn't bad behavior and I'm not condoning it. But sexual attraction and curiosity is perfectly normal.

I hope I never lose interest in the naked female form.

So you would abuse young girls if you were a teacher, doctor or photographer, forcing them to get naked in a room alone with you against they wishes, because they were afraid or you, or loosing their job or ruining their career?  You would think it normal, but slightly bad behaviour on your part of feel no guilt about it?

[sandemara]

6 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

This so called teacher should have had his home searched then arrested and charged, he is a dangerous sexual predator and abuser for taking pictures of these young girl

You're in danger of going blind if you keep this up.

[Pdaz]

26 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

So you would abuse young girls if you were a teacher, doctor or photographer, forcing them to get naked in a room alone with you against they wishes, because they were afraid or you, or loosing their job or ruining their career?  You would think it normal, but slightly bad behaviour on your part of feel no guilt about it?

 

They weren't young girls. He didn't force them physically it seems ( the story is ambiguous, I would say he asked and they relented because he was a teacher ) But  if you re-read my original post you will see I say "I don't condone it " 

What I consider normal is, that he being a man would want to see young women naked.  He went about it in the wrong way and used his position to make it possible. 

This doesn't mean he's sick, a weirdo, a pervert, an animal or any of the other narrow minded victorian labels used.

He just saw an opportunity and used it. Nobody was harmed. It won't be the first or the last time that a naive girl has been tricked into showing her bits.  More fool them. shame on the parents.

[Pdaz]

37 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

Women, and particularly young women here are not allowed to stand up for themselves to anyone older than then, or anyone 'higher' up on the 'respect' ladder.  They are taught and conditioned to not say anything against anyone who is older than them, even other females.  

Its this part of the culture that need to change.  Also those few that do have the confidence to try to bring charges are treaded very badly and loose a lot of face for themselves and their families, who would rather just hush it up and sweep the matter under the carpet, or ignore it and pretend it never happened.

 

 

I'm over 50. tommorow I'm going to central to ask young women to undress for me.. Can't wait  Why didn't somebody tell me they can't refuse years ago ?

Edited September 7, 2017 by Pdaz

[Bangkok Barry]

36 minutes ago, sandemara said:

You're in danger of going blind if you keep this up.

 

This quote (see screen capture) did not come from me. It was from someone I quoted.

Edited September 7, 2017 by Bangkok Barry

[cyberfarang]

7 hours ago, Pdaz said:

So you really don't think a man wanting to seen young women naked is normal ?  Did you have an interest in naked women when you were 16 ? Have you lost that interest now that you are older ?

Strange. Why if it's not normal is the internet bursting with naked pictures, Movies stars are youthful and often strip off and nude shows and gogo bars are everywhere. 

 

I'm not saying it isn't bad behavior and I'm not condoning it. But sexual attraction and curiosity is perfectly normal.

I hope I never lose interest in the naked female form.

I`ve had an interest in pretty girls since the age of 12, although I was very mature for my age. Back in those days it was a case of you show me your`s and I`ll show you mine, then it progressed from there. Now I`m over 60 I still have an interest in beautiful girls only these days at my age the only ways I`m ever going to get younger women to show any interest in me is by going to bars and spending time with hookers or hiring an escort. Just being realistic that`s all. But I`m only being hypothetical, got bored with the; hello hansum man, where you come from types long ago.

 

But there is a world of difference between guys taking a healthy interest in desirable adult women and abusing their professional status in the educational institutions, the law enforcement agencies, high ranking officials and the medical professions, because any men who use their professional status as so-called trusted members of society to sexually take advantage of women are crossing the boundaries to what is considered acceptable. For example; people trust doctors and people trust teachers and to a point people trust the police. We like to believe that our children are safe in their hands, so when this type of abuse happens they are not only letting down those in their charge, they are also letting down society as a whole.

 

 

 

 

[smedly]

1 hour ago, cyberfarang said:

I`ve had an interest in pretty girls since the age of 12, although I was very mature for my age. Back in those days it was a case of you show me your`s and I`ll show you mine, then it progressed from there. Now I`m over 60 I still have an interest in beautiful girls only these days at my age the only ways I`m ever going to get younger women to show any interest in me is by going to bars and spending time with hookers or hiring an escort. Just being realistic that`s all. But I`m only being hypothetical, got bored with the; hello hansum man, where you come from types long ago.

 

But there is a world of difference between guys taking a healthy interest in desirable adult women and abusing their professional status in the educational institutions, the law enforcement agencies, high ranking officials and the medical professions, because any men who use their professional status as so-called trusted members of society to sexually take advantage of women are crossing the boundaries to what is considered acceptable. For example; people trust doctors and people trust teachers and to a point people trust the police. We like to believe that our children are safe in their hands, so when this type of abuse happens they are not only letting down those in their charge, they are also letting down society as a whole.

 

 

 

 

spot on - nothing much to add to that post, you covered it 

 

what is quite shocking reading through the posts on this thread is that some sick people think this was OK

[smedly]

If my teenage daughter said to me she was heading for a private session with her teacher because he wanted to take naked photos of her with his camera - I know exactly where that camera is going