EU refugee court ruling triggers new east-west feuding

[anon4546543]

3 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

I couldn't google Merkel saying anything like that. Why don't you share the link with us?

Do you want me to quote Merkel word for word when she invited a stampede of economic tourists. 

 Seems you want history to just go away. 

[ilostmypassword]

Just now, spiderorchid said:

Of course the flow of economic migrants is less today than 2 years ago. She has "seen the light" and wants to cut

the flow. Damage is already done. Go to a public space in Berlin and see the results. Economic tourist refugees will

now target other countries. Instead of fixing their own problems up. Too arrogant to do that though.

There used to be an alleged phenomenon called "automatic writing" where the person holding the pen was supposedly merely the channel for other intelligences and herself hadn't a clue about what she was writing. 

Do you realize that you just wrote this: "You are joking. Right. Don't let statistics get in the way of. Merkel says please invade Germany from where ever you are from." and that it absolutely contradicts what you are saying now? 

I just hope there's someone near you who can wake you from your trance.

[anon4546543]

1 minute ago, ilostmypassword said:

There used to be an alleged phenomenon called "automatic writing" where the person holding the pen was supposedly merely the channel for other intelligences and herself hadn't a clue about what she was writing. 

Do you realize that you just wrote this: "You are joking. Right. Don't let statistics get in the way of. Merkel says please invade Germany from where ever you are from." and that it absolutely contradicts what you are saying now? 

I just hope there's someone near you who can wake you from your trance.

You should revisit Merkel comments, as if you did not know.

You can abuse me on this forum, unlike you, I have never hit the report button.

My "trance" is not about your recent crusade.

It is about a long history of Europe and democracy and why the

countries of Europe do exist. It was trial and error over centuries.

It created what was once Europe and a unique form of democracy.

It protected the citizens of said countries.

Now you and you ilk threaten that.

And you wonder why some idiots are rebelling in an extremist way.

There is a way to apply for statis in a good democracy,

I suggest you inform others how to do this.

Note how I do not abuse you as you have me

[ilostmypassword]

1 minute ago, spiderorchid said:

You should revisit Merkel comments, as if you did not know.

You can abuse me on this forum, unlike you, I have never hit the report button.

My "trance" is not about your recent crusade.

It is about a long history of Europe and democracy and why the

countries of Europe do exist. It was trial and error over centuries.

It created what was once Europe and a unique form of democracy.

It protected the citizens of said countries.

Now you and you ilk threaten that.

And you wonder why some idiots are rebelling in an extremist way.

There is a way to apply for statis in a good democracy,

I suggest you inform others how to do this.

Note how I do not abuse you as you have me

I take it back. You weren't in a trance when you wrote "Merkel says please invade Germany from where ever you are from'"

As for my hitting the report button...my god either you are psychic or you're hacking my account. How else could you know?

[anon4546543]

9 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

I take it back. You weren't in a trance when you wrote "Merkel says please invade Germany from where ever you are from'"

As for my hitting the report button...my god either you are psychic or you're hacking my account. How else could you know?

Dumb and dumber

[manarak]

4 hours ago, simple1 said:

EU member countries would have had to agree to and ratify the various Treaties to become a member State. To then turn around and reject such obligations is contrary to their Treaty commitments. The Court ruling does not indicate a dictatorship by the EU. You and others may well want to understand the Court composition and the process for Judges to be appointed by member States, prior to further commentary.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Justice

I guess the term "unintended consequences" nicely summarizes the EU treaty situation for Poland and Hungary.

[Khun Han]

42 minutes ago, spiderorchid said:

Of course the flow of economic migrants is less today than 2 years ago. She has "seen the light" and wants to cut

the flow. Damage is already done. Go to a public space in Berlin and see the results. Economic tourist refugees will

now target other countries. Instead of fixing their own problems up. Too arrogant to do that though.

 

She was expecting the UK to take about 300,000 of the 2015 intake, but that was kyboshed by the brexit vote, so there has been a necessary slow down.

[Opl]

The migrant crisis is a criminal organization. Unprecedented trafficking in human beings for which new strategies are needed. The "humanitarian" strategy is not adapted.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/oct/18/70-of-migrants-to-europe-from-north-africa-trafficked-or-exploited-un-united-nations-survey

" Meeting an organ trafficker who preys on Syrian refugees" "

"I am helping those people and I don't care about the law."

In fact, he says, it's the law that lets many refugees down by restricting access to work and aid.

"I am not forcing anyone to undertake the operation," he says. "I am only facilitating based on someone's request."

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-39272511 

Edited September 7, 2017 by Opl

[dieter1]

if you control mass-media, you control the world ....

this is from "Reuters" , Reuters and AP are in controll of the the "information"  given by mass media especially international politics.

under this article, it is openly named (Reuters). most time, the media do not give inform you, from where they get the "information" or better who is writing their articles.

This article or the ideas of this article, you can find at this time all over the world. so by controlling "AP" and "Reuters, they control the opinions of people all over the world (earth)

who is in control of Reuters and AP  ?

[anon4546543]

2 hours ago, Opl said:

The migrant crisis is a criminal organization. Unprecedented trafficking in human beings for which new strategies are needed. The "humanitarian" strategy is not adapted.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/oct/18/70-of-migrants-to-europe-from-north-africa-trafficked-or-exploited-un-united-nations-survey

" Meeting an organ trafficker who preys on Syrian refugees" "

"I am helping those people and I don't care about the law."

In fact, he says, it's the law that lets many refugees down by restricting access to work and aid.

"I am not forcing anyone to undertake the operation," he says. "I am only facilitating based on someone's request."

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-39272511 

Ask Ilostmypassport. He/ she/it has all the answers. Not that you will find answers, just excuses as to why

Muslims need to be part of Europe. Europe can mitigate the damage done. But the Islamists are among you already.

Shame, Europe used to be a nice safe place to visit

 

[ilostmypassword]

27 minutes ago, dieter1 said:

if you control mass-media, you control the world ....

this is from "Reuters" , Reuters and AP are in controll of the the "information"  given by mass media especially international politics.

under this article, it is openly named (Reuters). most time, the media do not give inform you, from where they get the "information" or better who is writing their articles.

This article or the ideas of this article, you can find at this time all over the world. so by controlling "AP" and "Reuters, they control the opinions of people all over the world (earth)

who is in control of Reuters and AP  ?

Must be George Soros. He's always the go-to guy when questions like this get asked.

[ilostmypassword]

14 minutes ago, spiderorchid said:

Ask Ilostmypassport. He/ she/it has all the answers. Not that you will find answers, just excuses as to why

Muslims need to be part of Europe. Europe can mitigate the damage done. But the Islamists are among you already.

Shame, Europe used to be a nice safe place to visit

 

No, I don't have all the answers but the internet does. And had you bothered to do a search you would find that the only EU nation with a homicide rate higher than the USA is Lithuania. And Lithuania has virtually no Muslim immigrants. Maybe they're Muslim wannabes?  So I guess if Europe used to be a nice safe place to visit, the USA never was and still isn't. For that matter, Canada has a higher murder rate than most EU nations except for a few small ones. Better pack a bulletproof vest if you plan on visiting Canada. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

[Laughing Gravy]

14 hours ago, simple1 said:

The Court ruling does not indicate a dictatorship by the EU

Yes it does. Exactly what the EU and the ECJ are all about. Do as we say or else.

[ilostmypassword]

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Yes it does. Exactly what the EU and the ECJ are all about. Do as we say or else.

Are you saying that in the UK if a court rules against you, you have the option to ignore that ruling?

[Laughing Gravy]

14 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Are you saying that in the UK if a court rules against you, you have the option to ignore that ruling?

The country should have sovereign power over the EU and ECJ. The EU is not and should not be able to tell the UK, Hungary or Poland or anyone else, what to do. It is because of this fact that the EU is dictating and making regulations against individual countries wishes. Federalization at its best or worst, depending how you look at it.

[ilostmypassword]

6 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

The country should have sovereign power over the EU and ECJ. The EU is not and should not be able to tell the UK, Hungary or Poland or anyone else, what to do. It is because of this fact that the EU is dictating and making regulations against individual countries wishes. Federalization at its best or worst, depending how you look at it.

So, if Hungary decides to pursue an independent trade policy with, say, Russia or India, it should be free to do so?

[FreddieRoyle]

34 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Are you saying that in the UK if a court rules against you, you have the option to ignore that ruling?

When the Eastern countries agreed to join the EC it was beyond a conspiracy theorists wildest dreams that one countries leader would unilaterally invite all and sundry to come to Europe bypassing any and all checks, the only requirement seemingly that the newcomers hailed from a muslim majority country. This is quite an incredible situation. Now, we can clearly see what happened in areas with significant "cultural enrichment" in that they are essentially no-go zones where the European way of life has totally ceased. Eastern countries are just reacting to reality as they can see it.

 You are talking about legalities, when the whole cause of this problem was an illegal action by Merkel although it worked for her - she was gifted some peace prize or other, it has effectively ended Europe as we know it(tolerant, democratic, peaceful and liberal) .Solution, send each and every one of Merkels invaders back home, and charge Merkel for high treason ensuring such destructive behavior can never happen again and Europe can live happily ever after., and no more East vs West disagreements over settling illegal migrants.

[simple1]

10 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

She was expecting the UK to take about 300,000 of the 2015 intake, but that was kyboshed by the brexit vote, so there has been a necessary slow down.

Wrong, nothing to do with Brexit. HMG had already set a limit to vetted refugee intake. Facts as opposed to misinformation.

 

http://www.redcross.org.uk/What-we-do/Refugee-support/Refugee-facts-and-figures

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/sep/08/uk-refugee-plan-comparison-european-countries

[simple1]

11 hours ago, manarak said:

I guess the term "unintended consequences" nicely summarizes the EU treaty situation for Poland and Hungary.

Asylum seekers have been a phenomena for centuries so zero excuse. Poland and Hungary current attitudes are harsh examples of bigotry. Nothing new, especially for the Poles.

[FreddieRoyle]

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Wrong, nothing to do with Brexit. HMG had already set a limit to vetted refugee intake. Facts as opposed to misinformation.

 

http://www.redcross.org.uk/What-we-do/Refugee-support/Refugee-facts-and-figures

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/sep/08/uk-refugee-plan-comparison-european-countries

I note that "officially" 54% of these migrants are women. Now, there have been 1000s of photos published from these ships ferrying people from Libya to the NGO ships waiting a few meters offshore and it doesn't take 20/20 vision to see that 99% are military age males. More anecdotal proof the figures you refer to above are a figment of some officials imagination. 

[simple1]

12 hours ago, spiderorchid said:

The first part of your commentary is easy to explain. Germany invites anyone from anywhere to "flee" to Germany.

Now she directs 

Rubbish, you and some others really need to go back and review her original announcements. 

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, FreddieRoyle said:

I note that "officially" 54% of these migrants are women. Now, there have been 1000s of photos published from these ships ferrying people from Libya to the NGO ships waiting a few meters offshore and it doesn't take 20/20 vision to see that 99% are military age males. More anecdotal proof the figures you refer to above are a figment of some officials imagination. 

We are talking about the UK refugee intake with relevance to the OP. Your response, among others, is an excellent example why it is usually a waste of time to provide facts for a certain clique of members.

[FreddieRoyle]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

We are talking about the UK refugee intake with relevance to the OP. Your response, among others, is an excellent example why it is usually a waste of time to provide facts for a certain clique of members.

You might have not noticed but this is a thread about migrants causing friction between east and west nations in the EU, which is what my post was concerning.

[overherebc]

On 07/09/2017 at 6:45 AM, steve187 said:

the UK is best out of that little problem.

I was really 50/50 on Brexit but now this situation shows exactly what would have happened ie instead of camps in Calais it would be free train rides through the tunnel organised by Merkel and Co.

[Scott]

Post reported and removed.  

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

So, if Hungary decides to pursue an independent trade policy with, say, Russia or India, it should be free to do so?

Trading and imposing laws on a country are totally different, I thought you would know that. Regarding trade ,just get out of the EU which imposes constraints on countries trading with non EU nations. At least you can trade with who you want and when and with what.

[tracker]

Links to media articles seems waste of time for me. The mass media has proven to be very unreliable. Alternatives sites have some interesting topic on the subject but how do you know what is true???

 

From my perspective, havng to prove that I am no pimp by bringing my thai wife into my (eu) country of origin (which could prove useful to solve the declining european citizens number), I see no other way except that the regufee import is one big setup. Merkel is some kind of puppet in someone's evil agenda. Going over the (fake) headlines in the news, all I see is putting gasoline on the fire. Muslims vs christian, white vs black, right vs left, as if the intended agenda is to create more hate and divide the people.

 

My personal solution is to take no side. Not support anything that fuels this divide. I hope many (people in eu) will do this too.

 

[simple1]

52 minutes ago, FreddieRoyle said:

You might have not noticed but this is a thread about migrants causing friction between east and west nations in the EU, which is what my post was concerning.

I was responding to a false claim regards Brexit & HMG intake of refugees. Until notified otherwise by a Mod, HMG policy concerning refugee intake is IMO a component of this topic. 

[bert bloggs]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Asylum seekers have been a phenomena for centuries so zero excuse. Poland and Hungary current attitudes are harsh examples of bigotry. Nothing new, especially for the Poles.

Yes genuine Asylum seekers ,very few of those these days ,and as for Poles the ones i have met have always been decent hard working people ,unlike the sort of "refugees" that you seem to love .

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Yes genuine Asylum seekers ,very few of those these days ,and as for Poles the ones i have met have always been decent hard working people ,unlike the sort of "refugees" that you seem to love .

Give it a go to stop the uninformed personal attacks; boring and a waste of space.

 

These days from the published stats in the EU approx 40% are vetted as genuine refugees. Previously a great many economic refugees from the Western Balkans (not so much noise about them), now seem to be mainly from Africa and elsewhere.

 

Yep I have also know some Polish nationals. One on the best guys, ex client of mine, was ex Polish Free Army who had fought at Monte Casino. The other aspect I was obviously referring to are those whom support far right policy now and the history of enormous cruelties in the past.