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Merkel calls on Hungary to implement court ruling on refugee distribution

 

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, a top candidate of the Christian Democratic Union Party (CDU) for the upcoming general elections, gives a speech as she campaigns in Strasburg, Germany, September 8, 2017. REUTERS/Fabrizio Bensch

 

BERLIN (Reuters) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel has urged Hungary to quickly implement a ruling by the European Union's top court that member states must take in a share of refugees who reach the continent.

 

In its ruling last week, the court dismissed complaints by Slovakia and Hungary over the mandatory quotas introduced in 2015 to relocate asylum seekers from Greece and Italy.

 

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said on Friday his government would not change its anti-immigration stance.

In an interview with Berliner Zeitung newspaper to be published on Tuesday, Merkel insisted that Hungary had to implement the court ruling.

 

"It's unacceptable that a government says a ruling of the European Court of Justice does not interest them," Merkel said, according to a preview published by the daily late on Monday.

 

Asked whether this meant that Hungary had to leave the EU, Merkel said: "This means that a very fundamental question of Europe is being touched -- because for me, Europe is an area of the rule of law. We will have to talk about this at the European Council in October."

 

During the Mediterranean migrant crisis of 2015, hundreds of thousand of refugees arrived in the Balkans, Italy and Greece. That prompted the EU to impose mandatory quotas on its member countries for relocating asylum seekers.

 

The flow of migrants has since receded, easing pressure to force compliance on nationalist leaders like Orban, who is benefiting domestically from his tough anti-immigrant policies as elections approach in 2018.

 

Merkel told another newspaper in an interview published over the weekend that she was optimistic that a dispute over how to distribute asylum seekers in the EU would soon be resolved.

 

The Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung (F.A.S.) newspaper also reported that in negotiations between member states about redistribution, a compromise was starting to emerge that would link accepting refugees to payments from the EU.

 

(Reporting by Michael Nienaber; Editing by Catherine Evans)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-09-12

[RichardColeman]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

"It's unacceptable that a government says a ruling of the European Court of Justice does not interest them," Merkel said, according to a preview published by the daily late on Monday.

Exactly why we are leaving this bunch of dictators. Hopefully Hungary will continue have the balls of a Walking street un-lady to stand up to them. 

[FreddieRoyle]

5 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Exactly why we are leaving this bunch of dictators. Hopefully Hungary will continue have the balls of a Walking street un-lady to stand up to them. 

Funny how she is citing legal rulings now, when the whole sorry saga started when she ignored the Dublin agreement and invited everyone to come and live in Germany. Open doors and windows too, was her catchphrase which says it all. This is all fallout from her illegal actions back in 2015.

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[bert bloggs]

And still they will vote her back into power , turkeys voting for christmas .

[hawker9000]

I know they elected her, but still I feel sorry for Germans having this dim bulb in the front office.

 

[bert bloggs]

20 minutes ago, hawker9000 said:

I know they elected her, but still I feel sorry for Germans having this dim bulb in the front office.

 

To be honest if they vote her back in ,i have little sympathy for them .

[Ulic]

Merkel invited them and now wants other countries to host them.

Hungary, Slovakia, Poland, etc.....position is clear. The refugees

should be allowed to go where they want to go.......and that isn't

to the countries Merkel want to host these economic migrants.

Seems to me 10 year visas to Syrians and the rest can pound salt.

[shanesox]

Hungary Tell Merkel, Germany and ECJ "where to go". None of them can really do anything, you are a sovereign state! Next step: referendum on Eu membership


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[sweatalot]

Hungary - an island of common sense in Europe - please stay strong!

[maximillian]

2 hours ago, hawker9000 said:

I know they elected her, but still I feel sorry for Germans having this dim bulb in the front office.

 

Agree with you. But it's their choice. Sigh.

Dim bulbs choose dim bulbs. Mainstream media all on her side. She can't do anything wrong.

A sad German

[piersbeckett]

Identity change has always IMV been unrealistic regarding European countries because of their histories, cultures, traditions, laws, governmental systems (including versions of democracy) being so diverse; Europe is not China, Russia, N.America or even Australia but because of the strength of these other united powers and the geographic unity of European countries, Europe does need strong trade and security alliances within the continent.

 

Some point to the Brexit vote being won by older people and others dissatisfied with the feeling of their identity being eroded by the undemocratic placing of people from other cultures in their neighbourhoods and those for remaining being the bright young things but bright young things often change their minds when they get more life experience and realise how important indentity is to a sense of well-being.

 

They'll always be wars and disagreements between rival factions; even the Muslim faith is not enough to prevent those commonly adhering to its basic edicts warring with each other.   I hope Hungary calls Merkel's bluff and sticks it out.

 

If the F.A.S. is right somebody should tell Merkel and Co. that a sense of well-being is not all about money.

 

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[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

Funny how she is citing legal rulings now, when the whole sorry saga started when she ignored the Dublin agreement and invited everyone to come and live in Germany. Open doors and windows too, was her catchphrase which says it all. This is all fallout from her illegal actions back in 2015.

 

Indeed.

 

Typical Merkel response. The EU members must all do as Germany says, and not as Germany does.

[Baerboxer]

58 minutes ago, maximillian said:

Agree with you. But it's their choice. Sigh.

Dim bulbs choose dim bulbs. Mainstream media all on her side. She can't do anything wrong.

A sad German

 

She is far from dim. She has a Doctorate, was successful, and prospered in the old East German communist dictatorship. That doesn't suggest being dim. She's very clever, crafty and an astute politician.

 

She also runs the EU for the benefit of Germany first. Hence the glaring hypocrisy in ignoring the Dublin Agreement, and creating this issue, whilst then insisting all must adhere to a court ruling she likes.

 

Don't underestimate her or her resolve; and that of her allies. She will drive hard for a federal EU dominated, managed and run by Germany, for the benefit of Germany. And most who vote for her are happy with her progress. The UK was a thorn in her side, a blocker to that federal vision. She's probably ecstatic the UK's going but pissed that the UK contribution will go with them. That's why the minions have been instructed to squeeze all they can out of the UK.

[baboon]

Soo... They get sent to Hungary. Hungary presents them with EU passports which they use to relocate back to Germany. Err, what is the point of the whole exercise, then?

[FreddieRoyle]

9 minutes ago, baboon said:

Soo... They get sent to Hungary. Hungary presents them with EU passports which they use to relocate back to Germany. Err, what is the point of the whole exercise, then?

Merkel wants to be re-elected later this month. 

[Morch]

18 minutes ago, baboon said:

Soo... They get sent to Hungary. Hungary presents them with EU passports which they use to relocate back to Germany. Err, what is the point of the whole exercise, then?

 

Don't think there was anything said about presenting them with EU passports. And doubt that the Hungarian government, given it's rhetoric and domestic public opinion, would find much support for it among voters.

[elliss]

Merkel ,   President of the  EU soon in the  making .

[nausea]

5 hours ago, Ulic said:

Merkel invited them and now wants other countries to host them.

Good point.

[shanesox]

This pathetic German allows in a million immigrants into her country 2 years ago and is now telling other European countries they must accept non EU immigrants! The arrogance, and Germans are going to re elect her party ..... mugs!


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[zydeco]

On 9/12/2017 at 6:38 AM, webfact said:

Merkel said: "This means that a very fundamental question of Europe is being touched

Yes, and that question is: will the rest of Europe allow a German fuehrerin to lord it over them.

[dick dasterdly]

On 9/12/2017 at 1:46 PM, Morch said:

 

Don't think there was anything said about presenting them with EU passports. And doubt that the Hungarian government, given it's rhetoric and domestic public opinion, would find much support for it among voters.

Good point.

 

Perhaps it would be easier for the poor EU countries to accept the dictated number of 'refugees' and immediately issue them passports - allowing them to move to their country of choice? 

[Morch]

1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said:

Good point.

 

Perhaps it would be easier for the poor EU countries to accept the dictated number of 'refugees' and immediately issue them passports - allowing them to move to their country of choice? 

 

As said, it could be potentially hard to defend such a move both with regard to local legal systems and voters. Considering  existing tensions between these countries and the EU - what happens if things come to a head and in the aftermath of another "Brexit"-like situation these newly issued passport holders return?

[dick dasterdly]

5 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Good point.

 

Perhaps it would be easier for the poor EU countries to accept the dictated number of 'refugees' and immediately issue them passports - allowing them to move to their country of choice? 

 

Just now, Morch said:

 

As said, it could be potentially hard to defend such a move both with regard to local legal systems and voters. Considering  existing tensions between these countries and the EU - what happens if things come to a head and in the aftermath of another "Brexit"-like situation these newly issued passport holders return?

I'm clearly missing something here, as I can see no reason why the 'refugees' would want to return to a poor EU country rather than (if the worse came to the worst), moving to another relatively wealthy EU country?

 

I suspect the voters in said poor countries would be v happy with such a simple solution - although it would undoubtedly result in serious problems with the 'wealthy' countries !

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

I'm clearly missing something here, as I can see no reason why the 'refugees' would want to return to a poor EU country rather than (if the worse came to the worst), moving to another relatively wealthy EU country?

 

I suspect the voters in said poor countries would be v happy with such a simple solution - although it would undoubtedly result in serious problems with the 'wealthy' countries !

 

I have no idea as to what specific benefits (not meaning government handouts and freebies) each "poor" country's passport and citizenship conveys. Guess there's more to it then a free entry ticket to the rest of the EU. But anyway, handing the passport means the recipient does have a choice about remaining in country or returning at a later date. May also be the case that it entitles the recipient to invite or sponsor other refugees (like family members etc.).

 

The EU may not take kindly to such legal trickery, and opt to counter it. Should be quite complicated without getting into further conflict among members, though. But assuming this happens, and certain limitations are placed on the holders of such passports, they'd return to the issuing country by default.

 

Finally, if tensions between the EU and them "poor" countries persist, culminating in a "Brexit" like move - then again, the holders of the passports may no longer have the same travel and residency rights, compelling them to return to them "poor" countries.

 

Voters, and perhaps more so with regard to those vehemently opposed to immigration, may not accept the discrepancy between politicians' rhetoric and actions in this case. They may also consider that such cunning plans can go wrong, and are difficult to undo. Unless mistaken, passport implies citizenship, and thus possibly voting rights. Another no no as far as anti-immigration and nationalistic elements are concerned.

 

[dick dasterdly]

45 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

I have no idea as to what specific benefits (not meaning government handouts and freebies) each "poor" country's passport and citizenship conveys. Guess there's more to it then a free entry ticket to the rest of the EU. But anyway, handing the passport means the recipient does have a choice about remaining in country or returning at a later date. May also be the case that it entitles the recipient to invite or sponsor other refugees (like family members etc.).

 

The EU may not take kindly to such legal trickery, and opt to counter it. Should be quite complicated without getting into further conflict among members, though. But assuming this happens, and certain limitations are placed on the holders of such passports, they'd return to the issuing country by default.

 

Finally, if tensions between the EU and them "poor" countries persist, culminating in a "Brexit" like move - then again, the holders of the passports may no longer have the same travel and residency rights, compelling them to return to them "poor" countries.

 

Voters, and perhaps more so with regard to those vehemently opposed to immigration, may not accept the discrepancy between politicians' rhetoric and actions in this case. They may also consider that such cunning plans can go wrong, and are difficult to undo. Unless mistaken, passport implies citizenship, and thus possibly voting rights. Another no no as far as anti-immigration and nationalistic elements are concerned.

 

"The EU may not take kindly to such legal trickery, and opt to counter it"

 

The EU would have to give up its 'open borders' policy to "counter it".

 

"Finally, if tensions between the EU and them "poor" countries persist, culminating in a "Brexit" like move - then again, the holders of the passports may no longer have the same travel and residency rights, compelling them to return to them "poor" countries."

 

So you think poor EU countries may vote to leave the EU??!  A damning indictment of the EU, if even those on the "receiving" end  would even consider voting to leave.... 

Edited September 14, 2017 by dick dasterdly

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"The EU may not take kindly to such legal trickery, and opt to counter it"

 

The EU would have to give up its 'open borders' policy to "counter it"

 

"Finally, if tensions between the EU and them "poor" countries persist, culminating in a "Brexit" like move - then again, the holders of the passports may no longer have the same travel and residency rights, compelling them to return to them "poor" countries."

 

So you think poor EU countries may vote to leave the EU??!  A damning indictment.

 

Giving up "open borders" policy is the sort of thing alluded to by "should be quite complicated without getting into further conflict among members". Might also involve charges of discrimination, racism and whatnot. 

 

I don't think any of them will leave the EU anytime soon. Just saying that if tensions continue without being resolved, things may come to a head. Whether or not that's a "damming indictment" is probably a matter of perspective.

[ilostmypassword]

19 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"The EU may not take kindly to such legal trickery, and opt to counter it"

 

The EU would have to give up its 'open borders' policy to "counter it".

 

"Finally, if tensions between the EU and them "poor" countries persist, culminating in a "Brexit" like move - then again, the holders of the passports may no longer have the same travel and residency rights, compelling them to return to them "poor" countries."

 

So you think poor EU countries may vote to leave the EU??!  A damning indictment of the EU, if even those on the receiving end  would even consider voting to leave.... 

Or a damning indictment of the bigotry of the governments of those poor EU countries.