Overstay: Flight booked but not enough money to pay fine.

[ubonjoe]

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[pumpjack]

no family or friends to pay for you ? 

[theguyfromanotherforum]

21 hours ago, Get Real said:

Actually 50K when entering would just be a drip in the ocean too. Any sensible person that is taking a 2-3 week vacation in Thailand should at least have 100K plus ticket costs on top of that.

Get real

[larsjohnsson]

How could you afford to stay in thailand so long time? When you don't even have 20k for the fine?

You must have spent more than 10 times the amount for the fine while waiting.

 

 

[The Girl]

UPDATE: Thank you to everyone who contributed their time and knowledge.

So, I am living with my bestfriend who takes care of my stay here in Thailand (She was in the process of convincing me to use my degree to teach here). The subject matter was how can I leave Thailand: 20k (airport immigration) vs 10k (IDC)? My passport issue is a result of miscommunication from the embassy! SouthAfrican passport takes 6 months, not 2 months. I decided to stay when they initially said 2 months (and I still had plenty of money). But later said because it's "lost" it'll take to 4-6 months. With less money (and the hope it'll arrive  in 2 months), I decided to wait so I can pay less fine and go to Laos and come back. I would have been on less than 30 days overstay at that time. The issue spiraled out of control and before I knew it's 7 months. The calender is an enemy of an overstayer. My fault for treating it with no sense of urgency. My fault. Period. 

 

I honestly wanted to know whether the IDC was an option for fine reduction. As per the responses, NO IT'S NOT! This is very clear. I will not take any risks served by deportations. I realised I could be attracting a nightmare. 

 

I am very lucky that I have a degree and found a language center in Lat Prao which pays 250ph. I will work as many hours a day as it takes to raise 10k in 2 weeks. Lesson learnt: Never travel (even to the chapest countries) without a return ticket, choose against deportation, don't shy away from speaking to immigration asap and take a joke.

 

Also, I need to change my country, any suggestions?  

[pearciderman]

so now it is overstay, immigration law (incorrect visa/no visa) and labour law, (no work permit).

 

Nothing like compounding the issue.

 

One might ask why you did not try to find gainful employment before now?

[anon789561]

14 minutes ago, The Girl said:

UPDATE: Thank you to everyone who contributed their time and knowledge.

So, I am living with my bestfriend who takes care of my stay here in Thailand (She was in the process of convincing me to use my degree to teach here). The subject matter was how can I leave Thailand: 20k (airport immigration) vs 10k (IDC)? My passport issue is a result of miscommunication from the embassy! SouthAfrican passport takes 6 months, not 2 months. I decided to stay when they initially said 2 months (and I still had plenty of money). But later said because it's "lost" it'll take to 4-6 months. With less money (and the hope it'll arrive  in 2 months), I decided to wait so I can pay less fine and go to Laos and come back. I would have been on less than 30 days overstay at that time. The issue spiraled out of control and before I knew it's 7 months. The calender is an enemy of an overstayer. My fault for treating it with no sense of urgency. My fault. Period. 

 

I honestly wanted to know whether the IDC was an option for fine reduction. As per the responses, NO IT'S NOT! This is very clear. I will not take any risks served by deportations. I realised I could be attracting a nightmare. 

 

I am very lucky that I have a degree and found a language center in Lat Prao which pays 250ph. I will work as many hours a day as it takes to raise 10k in 2 weeks. Lesson learnt: Never travel (even to the chapest countries) without a return ticket, choose against deportation, don't shy away from speaking to immigration asap and take a joke.

 

Also, I need to change my country, any suggestions?  

christ, do not get caught working without a permit and definatelty not whilst on overstay! you be in a whole world of crap then

[The Girl]

12 minutes ago, pearciderman said:

so now it is overstay, immigration law (incorrect visa/no visa) and labour law, (no work permit).

 

Nothing like compounding the issue.

 

One might ask why you did not try to find gainful employment before now?

For your information: I had a non B imm. visa prior to my passport getting lost. Secondly, I took the advice of some members who said I should contact Language centers. Thirdly, I was disgusted by the low pay and self-costing visa runs. If it is such a problem, please tell why are these centers hiring? Lastly, who can possibly apply for a work permit for 2 weeks of work?

Edited September 26, 2017 by The Girl

[The Girl]

3 minutes ago, Happy enough said:

christ, do not get caught working without a permit and definatelty not whilst on overstay! you be in a whole world of crap then

Yeah, my boss said she needs me for 2 weeks until she finds a replacement. I am being as careful as I can. Can you please tell me why are Thai agents and Thai managers give little care about the legality and formalities of hiring someone like me? I asked for a job and explained my situation - she literally asked when can I start? I will let you know if I make it out of Thailand.

[anon789561]

3 minutes ago, The Girl said:

Yeah, my boss said she needs me for 2 weeks until she finds a replacement. I am being as careful as I can. Can you please tell me why are Thai agents and Thai managers give little care about the legality and formalities of hiring someone like me? I asked for a job and explained my situation - she literally asked when can I start? I will let you know if I make it out of Thailand.

i'm not sure how those language schools work. perhaps they pay someone money for the authorities to turn a blind eye as they need teachers. perhaps if caught they will put it all on you. either way i'd say you're playing a highly risky game right now

[The Girl]

2 minutes ago, Happy enough said:

i'm not sure how those language schools work. perhaps they pay someone money for the authorities to turn a blind eye as they need teachers. perhaps if caught they will put it all on you. either way i'd say you're playing a highly risky game right now

I have not started. Would you recommend I don't start at all and pawn my stuff, rather? I desperately need 10k in any way possible. It is very easy to overlook getting caught when you just want to make it out of Thailand in one piece. I was wrong I know, but I am trying not to fuel the fire. 

[lkv]

35 minutes ago, The Girl said:

So, I am living with my bestfriend who takes care of my stay here in Thailand (She was in the process of convincing me to use my degree to teach here).

 

16 minutes ago, The Girl said:

For your information: I had a non B imm. visa prior to my passport getting lost.

So you were here in Thailand living with your best friend that was trying to convince you to teach, but you had a non B before you lost your passport.

 

On what basis did you get that non B and from where?

[Eff1n2ret]

33 minutes ago, The Girl said:

Also, I need to change my country, any suggestions?  

You could follow the example of the actor Colin Firth, a luvvie so stricken by grief over Brexit that he married an Italian. Citizenship follows relatively quickly, 2 years if you're living in Italy, or 3 abroad. But you'll have to look after him as Momma did.

[lemonjelly]

Good luck girl.... hope everything works out ok!!!


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[hawker9000]

8 minutes ago, The Girl said:

Yeah, my boss said she needs me for 2 weeks until she finds a replacement. I am being as careful as I can. Can you please tell me why are Thai agents and Thai managers give little care about the legality and formalities of hiring someone like me? I asked for a job and explained my situation - she literally asked when can I start? I will let you know if I make it out of Thailand.

I suppose because they know you're desperate.  Happy enough is quite correct:  get caught working without a permit AND while on overstay and you'll have fallen out of the frying pan and into the fire.  I wish someone could offer you some straightforward and foolproof solution to your predicament, but leaving the country ASAP using your ETD and money given you, without digging any MORE holes, is I think the best anyone here can advise. 

[Aditi Sharma]

South Africa is regarded as a native English-speaking country. I really hope folks from there make the most of it in the ESL industry.

Edited September 26, 2017 by Aditi Sharma
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[The Girl]

Just now, lkv said:

 

So you were here in Thailand living with your best friend that was trying to convince you to teach, but you had a non B before you lost your passport.

 

On what basis did you get that non B and from where?

I was teaching in Sisaket as a substitute teacher. The school organised a non B imm. I had the worst experience and decided against teaching in Thailand . Then I lost my passport shortly after. I feel like I am in Court. Any more question honourables?

[anon789561]

4 minutes ago, The Girl said:

I have not started. Would you recommend I don't start at all and pawn my stuff, rather? I desperately need 10k in any way possible. It is very easy to overlook getting caught when you just want to make it out of Thailand in one piece. I was wrong I know, but I am trying not to fuel the fire. 

i wouldn;t suggest risking it and then you end up in deep s***. if i were you i would pawn my stuff and get on the plane

[hawker9000]

8 minutes ago, The Girl said:

I have not started. Would you recommend I don't start at all and pawn my stuff, rather? I desperately need 10k in any way possible. It is very easy to overlook getting caught when you just want to make it out of Thailand in one piece. I was wrong I know, but I am trying not to fuel the fire. 

If you can raise enough money by pawning things + whatever else friends or relatives are contributing, that would be preferable to the risk of trying to work illegally while on overstay, yes.  IMO anyway.   I'm not sure anyone here can advise you authoritatively on the odds, but I think it's fairly safe to say the stakes would be fairly high...

 

 

Edited September 26, 2017 by hawker9000

[Aditi Sharma]

1 minute ago, The Girl said:

I was teaching in Sisaket as a substitute teacher. The school organised a non B imm. I had the worst experience and decided against teaching in Thailand . Then I lost my passport shortly after. I feel like I am in Court. Any more question honourables?

How do you mean you had the worst experience? And dont you think you took a hasty decision of not teaching in Thailand? Teaching is the toughest profession after several others including policing and journalism. It is not your fault you lost your passport. 

[ubonjoe]

9 minutes ago, The Girl said:

I have not started. Would you recommend I don't start at all and pawn my stuff, rather? I desperately need 10k in any way possible. It is very easy to overlook getting caught when you just want to make it out of Thailand in one piece. I was wrong I know, but I am trying not to fuel the fire. 

I would say go for the work in your situation. Just be carefull. 

Save pawing your stuff as a last resort if you come up short.

[hawker9000]

1 minute ago, ubonjoe said:

I would say go for the work in your situation. Just be carefull. 

Save pawing your stuff as a last resort if you come up short.

You're advising her to knowingly violate the law?!  'Knowing what could happen if there's some random check and she gets caught??  I have to say, that surprises me, UJ.

 

[The Girl]

2 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said:

How do you mean you had the worst experience? And dont you think you took a hasty decision of not teaching in Thailand? Teaching is the toughest profession after several others including policing and journalism. It is not your fault you lost your passport. 

I was offered 40k for 2 months and told I will received 80 at the end of the contract (as a substitute teacher). After 2 months, I only received 50k. You are right, teaching is a tough profession. But have you ever asked yourself why this is so? Teacher's are not treated fairly in the provinces of Thailand, in the big cities maybe yes! It was not a hasty decision - I decided against promoting modern day slavery. I am not entitled but I helped the school a lot, I taught every grade for 50k in 2 months? Was the schools doing justified in doing this because I am a substitute Teacher? Or, was I justified for my resignation? 

[Aditi Sharma]

1 minute ago, hawker9000 said:

You're advising her to knowingly violate the law?!  'Knowing what could happen if there's some random check and she gets caught??  I have to say, that surprises me, UJ.

 

She's up shit's creek anyway, I guess he's just suggesting a way out of it.

[The Girl]

2 minutes ago, hawker9000 said:

You're advising her to knowingly violate the law?!  'Knowing what could happen if there's some random check and she gets caught??  I have to say, that surprises me, UJ.

 

Hawker, I understand that you are concerned. May you please be practical. How would you propose I leave the country, knowing my situation, I have an ETD and 10k? I have to leave in 2 weeks. I am not shying away from my wrongful doing, well non-doing in the case.

[hawker9000]

2 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said:

She's up shit's creek anyway, I guess he's just suggesting a way out of it.

Pawn her stuff;  that's the other way out, WITHOUT violating the law and taking a significant risk!

[Aditi Sharma]

6 minutes ago, The Girl said:

I was offered 40k for 2 months and told I will received 80 at the end of the contract (as a substitute teacher). After 2 months, I only received 50k. You are right, teaching is a tough profession. But have you ever asked yourself why this is so? Teacher's are not treated fairly in the provinces of Thailand, in the big cities maybe yes! It was not a hasty decision - I decided against promoting modern day slavery. I am not entitled but I helped the school a lot, I taught every grade for 50k in 2 months? Was the schools doing justified in doing this because I am a substitute Teacher? Or, was I justified for my resignation? 

I dont think it is appropriate to equate teaching with modern day slavery. You have earned good karma by teaching and it will remain with you forever. Maybe the school had good reasons to pay you less and werent articulate enough to explain it. But I think you should have persevered. If it is possible for you to go back to teaching please do.

Edited September 26, 2017 by Aditi Sharma
correction

[hawker9000]

Just now, The Girl said:

Hawker, I understand that you are concerned. May you please be practical. How would you propose I leave the country, knowing my situation, I have an ETD and 10k? I have to leave in 2 weeks. I am not shying away from my wrongful doing, well non-doing in the case.

Oh don't get me wrong.  It's totally up to you which course of action to take.  If you think it "impractical" to pawn your stuff in order to get out legally, that's entirely your decision.  For me, "practical" would be getting out without subjecting myself to any further risk.  I would NOT like a stay at the IDC because some cop decided to make a random check, or for some other reason decided to check my status only to discover that I was not only working illegally, but doing so while on a significantly lengthy overstay...   You wouldn't be trying to convince ME you were doing the "practical" thing: you'd be trying to convince HIM (or a judge...).   But that's just me.   It's totally up to you.

 

 

 

[Aditi Sharma]

1 minute ago, hawker9000 said:

Oh don't get me wrong.  It's totally up to you which course of action to take.  If you think it "impractical" to pawn your stuff in order to get out legally, that's entirely your decision.  For me, "practical" would be getting out without subjecting myself to any further risk.  I would NOT like a stay at the IDC because some cop decided to make a random check, or for some other reason decided to check my status only to discover that I was not only working illegally, but doing so while on a significantly lengthy overstay...   You wouldn't be trying to convince ME you were doing the "practical" thing: you'd be trying to convince HIM (or a judge...).   But that's just me.   It's totally up to you.

 

 

 

Absolutely! Make sure you have enough Xanax to see you out without incident. I hope you are a strong Girl