UPDATE:

 

Prayut says Yingluck in Dubai now

By The Nation

 

 

Fugitive former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra is now in Dubai, Prime Minister Gen Prayut Chan-o-cha disclosed on Thursday.

 

Full story: https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1004511-prayut-says-yingluck-in-dubai-now/

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Or there again, you are puppet for your brother as he is a criminal on the run. His well oiled political machine secures an election victory and his wholly owned party takes over the town council with their paid politicians. Relatives are placed in the police and key public sector positions, and the council appoints you leader. But you're brother, the fugitive calls all the shots, appoints and fires ministers and instructs your every move. You are supposed to run the key policy program but never bother turning up and the minions run riot with their corruption. You ignore all warnings as brother instructs and spend as much time travelling as possible. The citizens become fed up. A court then removes you because you illegally moved people out of jobs to put a relative in. So you call a new election. It's a shambles with violence and murders between rival supporters. Your police won't and/or can't do anything about it. So the federal government steps in. The frauds, negligence and mismanagement inherent in your key policy program become evident. You stay and fight the case, but never actually defend the charges. Seeing the writing on the wall, you do a runner and become a criminal fugitive, just like your brother. 

 

She knew she was guilty. She could see the usual BS wasn't working anymore. She could see the mood wasn't for leniency. So she legged it.

Exactly. She wasn't going to be found  innocent. She has the money. I would have run too>

 

 

4 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Or there again, you are puppet for your brother as he is a criminal on the run. His well oiled political machine secures an election victory and his wholly owned party takes over the town council with their paid politicians. Relatives are placed in the police and key public sector positions, and the council appoints you leader. But you're brother, the fugitive calls all the shots, appoints and fires ministers and instructs your every move. You are supposed to run the key policy program but never bother turning up and the minions run riot with their corruption. You ignore all warnings as brother instructs and spend as much time travelling as possible. The citizens become fed up. A court then removes you because you illegally moved people out of jobs to put a relative in. So you call a new election. It's a shambles with violence and murders between rival supporters. Your police won't and/or can't do anything about it. So the federal government steps in. The frauds, negligence and mismanagement inherent in your key policy program become evident. You stay and fight the case, but never actually defend the charges. Seeing the writing on the wall, you do a runner and become a criminal fugitive, just like your brother. 

 

She knew she was guilty. She could see the usual BS wasn't working anymore. She could see the mood wasn't for leniency. So she legged it.

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Your narrative sadly ignores three key points, which if included would completely remove its impact.

 

Firstly the employee who was removed from office was removed from his key post because he had publically stated, as a civil servant, that he disliked the Yingluck Government, disapproved of their policies, and was not prepared to work with/for them. I'm rather at a loss as to how he could then complain when sacked?

 

Secondly, the "Federal Government", (by which I presume you mean the army - yes?) was not invested with any powers to step in. The "Federal Government" analogy rather suggests that they had some form of national democratic mandate to act if required, which is emphatically not the case.

 

Thirdly, you describe the election as "a shambles with violence and murders between rival supporters." You omit to mention that your "Federal Government" had made no attempt to ensure that the election was allowed to proceed, (as was their duty) and in fact was very possibly complicit in the process of reducing the election to a shambles - if we are to believe the public claims of the man leading the efforts to cause the shambles.

 

So, taking these three fairly central points into account, your analogy rather falls down.

Arrest warrant for Yingluck to be distributed nationwide

Yeah, but. . . 

Yingluck ‘in a foreign country’, says Prayut

 

Don't ask.

35 minutes ago, JAG said:

Your narrative sadly ignores three key points, which if included would completely remove its impact.

 

Firstly the employee who was removed from office was removed from his key post because he had publically stated, as a civil servant, that he disliked the Yingluck Government, disapproved of their policies, and was not prepared to work with/for them. I'm rather at a loss as to how he could then complain when sacked?

 

Secondly, the "Federal Government", (by which I presume you mean the army - yes?) was not invested with any powers to step in. The "Federal Government" analogy rather suggests that they had some form of national democratic mandate to act if required, which is emphatically not the case.

 

Thirdly, you describe the election as "a shambles with violence and murders between rival supporters." You omit to mention that your "Federal Government" had made no attempt to ensure that the election was allowed to proceed, (as was their duty) and in fact was very possibly complicit in the process of reducing the election to a shambles - if we are to believe the public claims of the man leading the efforts to cause the shambles.

 

So, taking these three fairly central points into account, your analogy rather falls down.

 

It wasn't supposed to be an accurate analogy. It was a fairy story responding to a similar one.

 

However,

 

Firstly, the court decided Yingluck illegally removed a person from a position so that another person could be moved into the vacancy creating the space that they wanted to put her ex-brother-in-law. She, and her minions, didn't follow lawful process. End of.

 

Secondly, the military have stepped in previously to stop violence and deaths between rival factions. The story I was responding to used a town council/federal story line which doesn't fit here. Sorry if you didn't like the attempt to re-contextualize it. But as a point there is precedence here, indeed many, of the military stepping in. 

 

Thirdly, where does it say that the military must police an election? The biased RTP, and the highly politically biased CAPO failed miserably in any attempt to restore law and order with the latter seemingly refusing to protect one side.  

 

None of which changes the fact Yingluck, having been removed by a court for an illegal abuse of power has now been convicted of a crime, like her brother, and like him has chosen to run without even appealing it.

 

Your loathing of the Junta sadly leads to you seeing the Shins as they would like to be seen rather than the reality.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

It wasn't supposed to be an accurate analogy. It was a fairy story responding to a similar one.

 

However,

 

Firstly, the court decided Yingluck illegally removed a person from a position so that another person could be moved into the vacancy creating the space that they wanted to put her ex-brother-in-law. She, and her minions, didn't follow lawful process. End of.

 

Secondly, the military have stepped in previously to stop violence and deaths between rival factions. The story I was responding to used a town council/federal story line which doesn't fit here. Sorry if you didn't like the attempt to re-contextualize it. But as a point there is precedence here, indeed many, of the military stepping in. 

 

Thirdly, where does it say that the military must police an election? The biased RTP, and the highly politically biased CAPO failed miserably in any attempt to restore law and order with the latter seemingly refusing to protect one side.  

 

None of which changes the fact Yingluck, having been removed by a court for an illegal abuse of power has now been convicted of a crime, like her brother, and like him has chosen to run without even appealing it.

 

Your loathing of the Junta sadly leads to you seeing the Shins as they would like to be seen rather than the reality.

 

 

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If the analogy is not intended to be accurate then why bother posting it? It is a bit pointless to make the analogy, and then when it is commented on to claim that it wasn't meant to be accurate!

 

Your comments moreover (as so often) ignore some significant contexts which materially alter their effect. I would suggest these include the highly politicised nature of the judicial system, and the equally politicised nature of the military, which currently controls every aspect of life in the country, including that judicial system.

 

Perhaps your loathing of the Shinawatras leads to you see the junta as a legitimate entity which stepped in to put right things as an act of last resort.  rather than the reality - a power grab by an unelected right wing cabal determined by all means possible to ensure that the people should never again be able to choose their own government and using their courts as part of that process.

 

Thailand claims to be a democracy. The junta claims to be intent on restoring that democracy. In a democracy the parliament, freely elected by the people, is sovereign. It selects the government, according to the expressed will of the people; it dismisses the government according to the expressed will of the people. The junta dismissed that parliament and prevented it being re-elected. They took away that sovereignty, continue to deny it, and appear to have no intention of restoring it.

If I have to decide between believing a Thai official or CNN, it's now become clearer than ever who has the most credibility...

 

 

2 minutes ago, kkerry said:

If I have to decide between believing a Thai official or CNN, it's now become clearer than ever who has the most credibility...

 

 

Its about 50/50

17 hours ago, steven100 said:

one guess where she may be ....   D_b_i    ?? 

Thank you for your practical information.

I can't wait until they introduce the sport of 'Hide & Seek' into the Olympics. Thailand will have to bring home a few gold, just look at all the training they do.

Is this from About and Costello