90 day report obsolete after re-entry

[ThaiWai]

21 hours ago, Phuket Man said:

The requirement is to report after 90 days in the country.

If you are not here for 90 days you do not report.

I don't know why people find this so difficult to understand.

Titling posts seems to be a real brain twister also

[Boon Mee]

What is is the short version of an explanation for the TM 30?

Never heard of it before? 

[ThaiItAgain]

1 minute ago, Boon Mee said:

What is is the short version of an explanation for the TM 30?

Never heard of it before? 

its a document that you need to have in your passport these days to get your 12 month visa renewed... S i have learnd. Like you, never heard of it until 2 days ago. nor did my wife know she had to report me as being back in the house if I went a way on a trip.... its all in the post I just submitted

[glegolo]

7 minutes ago, ThaiItAgain said:

Interesting reading re the 90 days report.

  

I live Chiang Mai and have done for 4 years now. Promenade is the reporting place. I did the 90 days’ report 2 days ago and thought to renew my retirement visa for another 12 months at the same time; seeing it is due 7th November to be renewed... kill 2 birds one visit. 

point of interest: this is 2 days ago I attempted to do the report online via the 90 days’  extra link Thai immigration CM. I got a reference number and the PENDING notice. I checked the status every day and It stayed in pending for 5 days at which point I called help desk immigration in CM. They told me the site had crashed and that I need to take in the reference number to the promenade. Upon arrival I showed all necessary paperwork + copy of the printout of the 90 days that I did online to the registration desk, they could find no record on their computer of such reference number. having checked my 90 days report documents I had to completed they gave me the number for the desk No.1 for 90 days’ reporting I did that and got the new receipt stapled into my passport before 12 noon.  I went back to the register desk out front again and asked do I still have time to get the 12 months’ renewed retirement visa done. Showed her all the paper work, same as I had done for all the previous years; I was asked for the passport which is normal and then the surprise”

 “Where is the TM30 “they asked. What TM30? Never had this asked of me in 4 years. She said you need to go upstairs to 2^nd Floor and showed them the passport and get TM30 in your passport. Got to the TM30 Division I was then told my wife needs to fill out this form. TM30 and show all copies of her ID, BLUE BOOK passport if she has one etc.  who owns the house she said of course the wife does I have the yellow book No the officer said your wife needs to fill in the TM30 in English yellow book not accepted. Hmmm! Took the TM30 form home and got it all filled. With the wife next day, WE went back the office in Promenade.  Thong had to sign all paperwork[CS1]  and I had to show all copies of various pages from my passport  when they were satisfied they issued a notification slip document stapled into my passport expressing I had complied TM30.  Info. This division checked my passport number on line and saw each time I used my passport to buy Air Asia tickets from CM to UTP Pattaya and told me that I had left the province each time and that upon my return Thong my wife should have reported to my return. They imposed a 1600 baht fine. She then said ‘if you stay in a place more than 2 nights outside your province” your wife need to report when you get back to your proper address. She said, You/I can go to the division on 2^nd floor and show the copy of the letter they gave Thong and my passport and all will be ok, no fines. All is good now.

I Took the passport down to register desk they checked the TM30 slip was in the passport and the 90 days’ report slip and was then given the ticket number for the renewal of the retirement visa…. For all you that know about the TM30 all well and good. for those who know nothing about this TM30 and the wife/partner having to report be informed and or go check it out or you just may find yourself like I was when attempting to renew your visas. Things they are a changing….

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 [CS1]

OMG this proves that Chiang Mai is a complete and utterly RAT-HOLE on earth..... Happy I dont live there.......

 

Glegolo

[ThaiItAgain]

4 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

What is is the short version of an explanation for the TM 30?

Never heard of it before? 

you nee a tm30.. is that short

[ThaiItAgain]

2 minutes ago, glegolo said:

OMG this proves that Chiang Mai is a complete and utterly RAT-HOLE on earth..... Happy I dont live there.......

 

Glegolo

it might be that CM is setting standards....... must be cause so many BKK people are moving there  

[Tocher]

21 hours ago, glegolo said:

It is NOT their job at Immigration to educate you. It is YOUR own job to learn... Clock stops when you are out of the country, and resets when you enter Thailand again...

 

Glegolo

I have heard this "clock stops" so many times, and in my personal experience it is nonsense.

 

In the last three years I have left and reentered Thailand three times , each time during the 90 day report period. I am on a one year extension for retirement and always have a multiple reentry permit

 

Twice I re-entered at Swampy and once at Samui.

 

All three times the IO stamped my passport with the expiry date of my one year retirement extension as the "permitted to stay until" date, in my case the 13th of May of the respective year. the permitted to stay date on my TM 6 (departure card) was left blank.

 

I therefore went to Samui immigration on the date of existing 90 day report slip and this has caused no problems.

 

The same 'end of extension stamp' was given to a mate who reentered at swampy and also has a one year retirement extension from Samui immigration.

 

So for both of us the clock was not "stopped", "reset" or "restarted".

 

That old clock just kept on ticking.

 

I have attached a copy of the relevant page of my passport for the latest reentry.

 

The OP has been derided and most of the posts have been downright insulting to Chris747's intelligence.

 

How about a bit less sarcasm from responders and only post what you can attest to (and support with evidence) yourselves.

entry stamp 1.9 17.pdf

[glegolo]

5 minutes ago, Tocher said:

I have heard this "clock stops" so many times, and in my personal experience it is nonsense.

 

In the last three years I have left and reentered Thailand three times , each time during the 90 day report period. I am on a one year extension for retirement and always have a multiple reentry permit

 

Twice I re-entered at Swampy and once at Samui.

 

All three times the IO stamped my passport with the expiry date of my one year retirement extension as the "permitted to stay until" date, in my case the 13th of May of the respective year. the permitted to stay date on my TM 6 (departure card) was left blank.

 

I therefore went to Samui immigration on the date of existing 90 day report slip and this has caused no problems.

 

The same 'end of extension stamp' was given to a mate who reentered at swampy and also has a one year retirement extension from Samui immigration.

 

So for both of us the clock was not "stopped", "reset" or "restarted".

 

That old clock just kept on ticking.

 

I have attached a copy of the relevant page of my passport for the latest reentry.

 

The OP has been derided and most of the posts have been downright insulting to Chris747's intelligence.

 

How about a bit less sarcasm from responders and only post what you can attest to (and support with evidence) yourselves.

entry stamp 1.9 17.pdf

I think you mix up absolutely everything here.. Didn´t you fill in the RE ENTRY NUMBER in the TM6 before coming to immigration at he airport???  IF NOT,, I can understand you have a problem....

 

The "clock" in this case is concerning the 90 day reports NOT the extensions, you have to understad the process..... 

 

Glegolo

[tryasimight]

4 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Say you go to one of the border casinos on a day trip. After reentering LOS, no need to do a 90 report for three months. 

 

I know that I am reitrating what's already been posted... 

I've been to Cambodia twice....never stamped out of Thailand....or back in for that matter...so 90 days as usual

[Boon Mee]

Doesn't cost me anything as I seem to have reported on time but for those who don't, it's a money maker for them. 

[BritTim]

12 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

What is is the short version of an explanation for the TM 30?

Never heard of it before? 

First, depending on your local immigration office, you may not need to worry about it. In particular, Bangkok at the current time does not require it. Also, you do not need it if living in a hotel. For a long term extension (not just a 30-day or 60-day extension) you will probably need to show a long term lease agreement to prove you are living in the hotel.

 

The TM30 is a report by the "housemaster" (who is acceptable varies by office) of aliens living in the house. By law, it is required every time a foreigner stays at the house longer than 24 hours, and is needed again if the foreigner has been longer than 24 hours away. However, most offices have a more relaxed approach. In most cases, a fresh TM30 is not needed if your long term address is unchanged. Quite a number of offices require a fresh TM30 when returning from an overseas trip.

 

Unlike the 90-day address notification (which is simple, but a pita) the whole TM30 things is a mjor mess which ought to be fixed.

[Boon Mee]

2 minutes ago, BritTim said:

First, depending on your local immigration office, you may not need to worry about it. In particular, Bangkok at the current time does not require it. Also, you do not need it if living in a hotel. For a long term extension (not just a 30-day or 60-day extension) you will probably need to show a long term lease agreement to prove you are living in the hotel.

 

The TM30 is a report by the "housemaster" (who is acceptable varies by office) of aliens living in the house. By law, it is required every time a foreigner stays at the house longer than 24 hours, and is needed again if the foreigner has been longer than 24 hours away. However, most offices have a more relaxed approach. In most cases, a fresh TM30 is not needed if your long term address is unchanged. Quite a number of offices require a fresh TM30 when returning from an overseas trip.

 

Unlike the 90-day address notification (which is simple, but a pita) the whole TM30 things is a mjor mess which ought to be fixed.

Cheers.  Good explanation! .

[thailand49]

You preaching to the choir,  Yes this is life I agree and people are in fact different on this earth.

The difference with the poster is he didn't see a problem therefore found no need to do anything about it.  It wasn't until he went for his report that he was notified of procedure thus the reason he decided to post his experience.

I'm for doing all the stiff you suggested, standup, engage, etc...  here is my own experience with the 90 report in Jomtien.  Maybe it was timing but before I found out about the 90 report as being discussed when my time came I just went to report. There was a time even after I knew I just felt things change depending who you were in contact on a given date at immigration.  There was a number of times although I went in and out of country I still reported using the old date, and they actually never said anything and gave me a new date. This happen several times it was not until they went paperless that it was pickup I didn't have to report since I just came into the country.

Recently, I reported and was told I was late, I showed him the date I return to Thailand. 

Shit happens everyday on this website particularly when it comes to visa, that is why you got the residential expert UbonJoe, if people engage etc.. he wouldn't be able to answer the questions?

Edited October 9, 2017 by thailand49

[observer90210]

Thanks to the OP Chris747 for sharing.

[Salerno]

4 minutes ago, Tocher said:

I have mixed nothing up and I don't have a problem.

With all due respect, you have. The extension to stay is a separate issue from 90 day reporting.

[Mattd]

51 minutes ago, Tocher said:

So for both of us the clock was not "stopped", "reset" or "restarted".

 

That old clock just kept on ticking.

 

I have attached a copy of the relevant page of my passport for the latest reentry.

In your case, you arrived back in to Thailand on 1st September 2017 and were given permission to stay until 13th May 2018, which is entirely correct, in keeping with your current extension of stay / re-entry permit dates.

So, in your instance, you are now NOT required to report 90 consecutive days in Thailand until 29th November 2017, regardless of any date that are on pieces of paper in your passport from previous 90 day reports and regardless of whether your local immigration office allow you to report at any other time outside of the new reporting window, if you so happen to depart Thailand prior to 29th November 2017, then the new report day will be based on your next arrival date, as the clock does indeed stop on the day you depart Thailand and starts again on the day you arrive back again.

As has been stated numerous times in this thread, the 90 day report is for being physically in Thailand for 90 consecutive days, with the day of the arrival into Thailand being day one of this count (if applicable).

Anything else is just wasting your own time and that of the immigration officers.

[Suradit69]

1 hour ago, Tocher said:

I therefore went to Samui immigration on the date of existing 90 day report slip and this has caused no problems.

They probably didn't notice or bother to check your exit and return.

 

It doesn't really prove that the clock was not reset and that you could have done the report 90 days following your re-entry.

 

Many people have successfully exited, re-entered and then did their 90 day report 90 days after their return.

Edited October 9, 2017 by Suradit69

[Salerno]

10 minutes ago, Tocher said:

And with all the patience I can muster, I still haven't.

 

When I reentered I was stamped in until the end of my extension and therefore my existing 90 day report was still active. 

 

I repeat, my 90 day report clock was not reset in any way which was the subject of both the OP and my original response.

 

OK, as I mentioned it's two separate issues.

 

1. You have an extension to stay until 31 May next year.
    
2. A part of your obligation that comes with Thailand giving you that extension to stay until 31 May is to report every 90 continuous days you are in the Kingdom. When people talk about a clock stopping, what they mean is if you leave the Kingdom before your 90 day reporting is due, the 90 days resets from when you reenter. Depending on your travel, you may in fact never have to do a 90 day report.

Make sense?

Edited October 9, 2017 by Salerno

[Boon Mee]

8 minutes ago, Suradit69 said:

A fair number of people in the visa biz are amazingly clueless. You don't have to pass an exam to proclaim yourself a fount of wisdom regarding immigration rules and regulations.

With a little homework, anyone can learn the ropes re Thai Immigration - it's not rocket surgery...

[Phuket Man]

1 hour ago, Tocher said:

I have heard this "clock stops" so many times, and in my personal experience it is nonsense.

 

In the last three years I have left and reentered Thailand three times , each time during the 90 day report period. I am on a one year extension for retirement and always have a multiple reentry permit

 

Twice I re-entered at Swampy and once at Samui.

 

All three times the IO stamped my passport with the expiry date of my one year retirement extension as the "permitted to stay until" date, in my case the 13th of May of the respective year. the permitted to stay date on my TM 6 (departure card) was left blank.

 

I therefore went to Samui immigration on the date of existing 90 day report slip and this has caused no problems.

 

The same 'end of extension stamp' was given to a mate who reentered at swampy and also has a one year retirement extension from Samui immigration.

 

So for both of us the clock was not "stopped", "reset" or "restarted".

 

That old clock just kept on ticking.

 

I have attached a copy of the relevant page of my passport for the latest reentry.

 

The OP has been derided and most of the posts have been downright insulting to Chris747's intelligence.

 

How about a bit less sarcasm from responders and only post what you can attest to (and support with evidence) yourselves.

entry stamp 1.9 17.pdf

What you attached is not relevant.

Entry stamps have nothing to do with 90 day reporting.

 

You report to Immigration after 90 consecutive days in the country.

If you leave an re enter  the 90 days start again from your re entry date.

Simple as that.

Edited October 9, 2017 by Phuket Man

[jeab1980]

So you see OP nothing is ever as simple as it should be on Thai visa. You did the correct thing in my book. Ok you got it wrong but next time you will know. If you tey to give a heads up on here someone will blow it all out of proportion and this thread proves that. From a simple mistake to tit for tat verbals.

[Suradit69]

13 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

With a little homework, anyone can learn the ropes re Thai Immigration - it's not rocket surgery...

True, and yet many people who have been here for years, decades even, remain flummoxed, as this thread illustrates, (and generally blame a "change in immigrations rules" when they can't understand what's remained the same for many years ... also illustrated in this thread).  Visa agents often are no better informed.

 

 

 

Edited October 9, 2017 by Suradit69

[ThaiItAgain]

23 hours ago, Chris747 said:

Last week i went to Promenada, Chiang Mai to do the 90 day report. Had all papers done, copies and when it was my turn the immigration officer told me that i should not have come because i recently entered Thailand.

 

She changed manually the due date on the last 90 day paper slip, writing due on 13th december - 90 days after i came back to Thailand...

Correct Chris all above board. Had a similar experience when I went to China, my reporting date prior to going was 28th August 2017 to report Chiang Mai, We left for China 28th June, arrived back BKK on 12th July.  that new entry changed 28th August to 11th October and a new TM 6 arrival number ..... thanks for giving those persons here who are interested in keeping up-to date via your post

[glegolo]

1 hour ago, Tocher said:

I have mixed nothing up and I don't have a problem.

 

My post is stating (with photocopy evidence) that my 90 day report dates ("The clock") were unaffected by leaving and reentering Thailand.

 

The reason I attached the copy of my passport page was so dicks like you could understand MY process.....

I find it quite interesting they you call people "dicks", instead of trying to learn the process and it´s details.... You show in your PDF; stamps of; a) a non immigrant O-VISA,  a RE ENTRY PERMIT and c) your extension of stay...

 

There is NO stamp nor paper-slip of any "90 days report.... I shall explain again for you... The "clock as I clearly stated, is reset when entering Thailand what regards the 90 day report, NOT the extension you have... OK?????

 

So I suggest that you shall be much more careful to call people for dicks...... I cant return the favour to you, more than to explain the process as mentioned above.

 

OK I shall not go on aymore, you have been put in your place by many here above, so I leave it with that.. But learning the process is a good thing "Tocher"....

 

Glegolo

Edited October 9, 2017 by glegolo

[robertson468]

On 10/8/2017 at 2:29 PM, jeab1980 said:

And how does one learn? By doing what he has done and learning by his mistakes. So really immigration did educate him.  Remember not all (in fact case in point OP) do not use this forum so therefore have to learn the hard way which is no bad thing.

How about looking up the requirements on the Internet?  Simple, easy, job done!

[denby45]

Sorry but the clock is not stopped and started again for 90 day reporting. It is stopped and reset to 90 days upon arrival back in Thailand.

 

 

Den

[jeab1980]

14 minutes ago, robertson468 said:

How about looking up the requirements on the Internet?  Simple, easy, job done!

Yes can be done that way as well if your internet savvy.

In the end everyone has at some stage cocked something up. Once done never forgoten.

First time i ever went for a 60 day extension based on visiting wife. Quequed for a hr and a half got to desk big smiles all round. Handed over paper work lovley IO lady looked at me and said "you lost your wife"! Didnt have a clue she was supposed to go as well. Still another lesson learnt from that moment on whenever i go to Immigration for whatever reason she comes with me.

(As a side note after much laughing from the IO she processed my application bless her).

Edited October 9, 2017 by jeab1980

[dick turpin]

23 hours ago, Chris747 said:

it's a piece of information i wanted to share - and if just one reader here remembers, the next time he's in a similar situation - purpose is served :) 

Yes, we all have to be eternally grateful to Chris.

 

The only real purpose this has served is to confirm to immigration  that the farang is indeed stupid....thanks a lot

[Mattd]

53 minutes ago, denby45 said:

Sorry but the clock is not stopped and started again for 90 day reporting. It is stopped and reset to 90 days upon arrival back in Thailand.

 

 

Den

Very true, exactly that, a bad choice of words from me in my post.

[glegolo]

1 hour ago, denby45 said:

Sorry but the clock is not stopped and started again for 90 day reporting. It is stopped and reset to 90 days upon arrival back in Thailand.

 

 

Den

OMG are you really for real??

 

Glegolo