wump Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 For Thais it's also 50,000 up but this is for actually guilty cases, not for innocent people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catman20 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, chuang said: The OP refused a test....and you claim police framing innocent people....you are a joke... read 1 of my posts here. Edited October 10, 2017 by catman20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wump Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, chuang said: The OP refused a test....and you claim police framing innocent people....you are a joke... So you are saying the op, post #12 and post #17 are all lying? I don't know who is the bigger joke. It wouldn't be the first time police framed people. Edit: And the op ONLY refused because he had been framed before. Why don't you believe him? Edited October 10, 2017 by wump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minnehaha Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 maybe it was the Leo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKDfella Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, wump said: "Drink driving"... give the guy a break. He says he had two small Leos and this would put him nowhere near the limit. Nope! There is only one sure way don't drink alcoholic beverages if you intend to drive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeeos Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 15 minutes ago, wump said: What kind of reasoning is this? I have to accept all the bad and can't voice my opinion? You think it's cool people get charged with crimes they didn't commit? Your smart comments will stop once you innocently piss-test positive and have the choice between 1 month in jail or 200,000 in cash. Doubtful,,, as keyboard, "warriors" such as this RARELY leave the safety of home, or instant access to their computer just in case, "Someone is wrong on the internet"... They send the wife out for all necessary supplies,, 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techno Viking Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, wump said: For Thais it's also 50,000 up but this is for actually guilty cases, not for innocent people. what is 50,000 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wump Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Just now, TKDfella said: Nope! There is only one sure way don't drink alcoholic beverages if you intend to drive! That's my point. Nothing is sure if you read post #12 and #17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wump Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Techno Viking said: what is 50,000 ? Baht pay-your-way-out-of-jail for Thais pissing positive. I didn't quote you because I answered directly but another poster was quicker than me. But this is getting a bit off-topic anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve C Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Techno Viking said: The refusing a breath test is considered an admission of guilt, hence he is locked up awaiting court. Your guilty anyway with their corrupt machines. know of a couple of people who don't even drink that have blown into their so called breathalyzer and told without showing them any reading that they are drunk. Say what you like but Thai law to foreigners is nothing less than a scam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techno Viking Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Just now, steve C said: Your guilty anyway with their corrupt machines. know of a couple of people who don't even drink that have blown into their so called breathalyzer and told without showing them any reading that they are drunk. Say what you like but Thai law to foreigners is nothing less than a scam interesting, ive been stopped numerous times and then sent on my way after blowing zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve C Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Adeeos said: Doubtful,,, as keyboard, "warriors" such as this RARELY leave the safety of home, or instant access to their computer just in case, "Someone is wrong on the internet"... They send the wife out for all necessary supplies,, 555 So TRUE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveB2 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Interesting... Using asthma inhalers can give false positive results in breath tests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve C Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Just now, Techno Viking said: interesting, ive been stopped numerous times and then sent on my way after blowing zero. Obviously you may have got the good cops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wump Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Techno Viking said: interesting, ive been stopped numerous times and then sent on my way after blowing zero. Even if the scam only happens in 1% of cases this is still too much. You shouldn't knowingly be charged with a crime when you are clearly innocent. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puffy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I have been stopped 5 times this year and breathalyzed, I don't drink and every time it has been 0. Never had a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exemplary21 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, dotpoom said: Sorry to hear what happened but at least they let you hold onto your phone. Can't think of many plaves that would allow that? Of course they did... ...he was using a cell phone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wump Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, Techno Viking said: interesting, ive been stopped numerous times and then sent on my way after blowing zero. Now that you're so sure you won't be charged: What about gum containing Sorbitol (a type of sugar 'alcohol'), an artificial sweetener used in most gums? Even though it won't make you drunk at all the machine will show a positive rating (due to 'alcohol breath') and what will you do then? Request a blood test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meinphuket Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 You are entitled under law to opt for a bloodtest in hospital in stead..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Techno Viking said: interesting, ive been stopped numerous times and then sent on my way after blowing zero. Ignoring the comments which seem a little unbalanced and paranoid it would seem that a couple of guys have faced attempted scams by the BiB. It's a concern, my Wife has also been stopped, blown in the *Wand which has registered a Zero. *The Wand is an initial device which is relatively uncalibrated and merely measures the presence of alcohol and simply gives a Positive or Negative result. If Positive a followup test is carried out with a machine which is (supposedly) calibrated. I am not personally aware of anyone who has been accused of DUI without having had imbibed alcohol. This is all academic - If play tough with the BiB and do not have sufficient 'back-up' you are going to get shafted, its that simple... Ego against Ego, you will loose unless you know someone more powerful & connected than the guys pulling you over. The simplest solution is to play nice play along, the BiB are not total aholes, but they definitely will become so if you choose to go head to head. If you are requested to 'Blow' in to the Wand or in to a conventional Breathalyzer and you are convinced the readout is incorrect, be polite, request the test again, perhaps request with a different machine. Explain that you have not drank at all. If on the other hand you have had a drink you are going to get shafted. You can't gamble with whether or not you'll pass... "Oh, but I only had one Glass Officer" is the oldest BS line in the book of DUI excuses. OP: Unfortunately you made your bed when refusing the take the test which is an automatic indication of guilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techno Viking Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, wump said: Now that you're so sure you won't be charged: What about gum containing Sorbitol (a type of sugar 'alcohol'), an artificial sweetener used in most gums? Even though it won't make you drunk at all the machine will show a positive rating (due to 'alcohol breath') and what will you do then? Request a blood test? Pretty sure the chances of that happening to me is zero due to not liking gum, much like I do not drive even after one solitary beer or within 12 hours after having a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeeos Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, exemplary21 said: Of course they did... ...he was using a cell phone... I kept my cell phone, and cigs while being held,, is how I called my girlfriend, and a buddy to come get me,,, Everyone else in the cell had them also,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, wump said: Now that you're so sure you won't be charged: What about gum containing Sorbitol (a type of sugar 'alcohol'), an artificial sweetener used in most gums? Even though it won't make you drunk at all the machine will show a positive rating (due to 'alcohol breath') and what will you do then? Request a blood test? Is this for real? along with the 'I just used mouthwash' excuse?.... I think false positives while extremely rare, could exist. More realistically people will lie through their backside that they haven't had a drink (or just the one) if caught... Either way - If having provided a positive breathalyzer result a blood test confirming the result should be mandatory. Of course, people will then object to having a needle used on them, the excuses and reasons not to participate will continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKDfella Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, wump said: That's my point. Nothing is sure if you read post #12 and #17. Well, I have to admit I hadn't read your post #12 but for some reason unable to read post #17 (glitch of some sort).There's a moral there somewhere and I am not going to say you were unlucky. Obviously what happened to you was criminal and something anyone of us could suffer at any time. I sympathize. Perhaps expats when driving or riding their bikes here (or specifically BKK) should invest in a personal breathalyzer. Something I'll think about as I am TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Adeeos said: I kept my cell phone, and cigs while being held,, is how I called my girlfriend, and a buddy to come get me,,, Everyone else in the cell had them also,,,, Of course they let everyone keep their phone when locked up... How else would they contact their friends etc to come and pay their way out of trouble... its a nice earner - modus operandi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wump Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 minute ago, TKDfella said: Well, I have to admit I hadn't read your post #12 but for some reason unable to read post #17 (glitch of some sort).There's a moral there somewhere and I am not going to say you were unlucky. Obviously what happened to you was criminal and something anyone of us could suffer at any time. I sympathize. Perhaps expats when driving or riding their bikes here (or specifically BKK) should invest in a personal breathalyzer. Something I'll think about as I am TT. #12 isn't me. I was just pointing out that more than 1 person confirmed the tests sometimes being rigged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wump Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Is this for real? along with the 'I just used mouthwash' excuse?.... I think false positives while extremely rare, could exist. More realistically people will lie through their backside that they haven't had a drink (or just the one) if caught... It will give SOME reading so the drink-no-drink thingie will be positive. If there is no proper test afterwards you are in a pretty bad position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstevens Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I enjoy watching these TV shows set here in Australia which follow the traffic police and the drivers they have to deal with. There is a commonality amongst so many people done in Australia for drunk driving....they almost all say, "I had just a couple of beers, officer.".....and invariably they are way over the limit. Australia and Thailand same same it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dormouse Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKDfella Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, wump said: #12 isn't me. I was just pointing out that more than 1 person confirmed the tests sometimes being rigged. My apologies. I've just rebooted my internet connection as I couldn't see poster ID either. Yep, understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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