Drink laws?

[tryasimight]

Claiming to be asthmatic and unable to blow into a breathalyser is one of the oldest BS claims alcoholics use.If you can't blow into the machine you are either dead or a liar.

 

And a couple of small Leos can put you over the limit no problem at all.

I'm not saying you will be drunk, obviously you won't be, but you may be over the legal limit to operate a motor vehicle. 

Of course if those couple of Leos  are drunk the next morning after a big night before then you may well be on the way to being pissed.

Edited October 10, 2017 by tryasimight

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, wump said:

#12 isn't me. I was just pointing out that more than 1 person confirmed the tests sometimes being rigged.

 

Adeeos in post #12 refused to take the test even though he had not had a drink.

Because of his refusal to take the test he was guilty of DUI. His friend paid 10,000 Baht to get him out. 

He then insisted on taking the Breathalyzer test in an attempt to get the 10,000 baht back. Too late, he'd already paid his fine... I'm sure he felt his rights were violated, Ultimately he had it coming after giving up his rights when breaking the law and refusing to offer a breathalyzer sample. 

 

20/20 hindsight is lovely, but in this case I'm sure a simple breathalyzer sample would have seen him on his way in mere seconds instead of a self-created drama and a shuyte load of hassle for his friends and GF. 

[Adeeos]

2 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

Claiming to be asthmatic and unable to blow into a breathalyser is one of the oldest BS claims alcoholics use.If you can't blow into the machine you are either dead or a liar.

BS,, he WANTED them to blood test, Blowing into a POS machine, with most likely a used mouthpiece from possibly NUMEROUS other people, and punching a series of buttons to show a result,, is THE oldest BS the BIB use to EXTORT funds... 

[tryasimight]

2 minutes ago, Adeeos said:

BS,, he WANTED them to blood test, Blowing into a POS machine, with most likely a used mouthpiece from possibly NUMEROUS other people, and punching a series of buttons to show a result,, is THE oldest BS the BIB use to EXTORT funds... 

Well then his hissy fit did not work then did it?

 

I'll have to take your word on the extortion allegations, but it has not been my experience, and many other posters it would seem.

 

This seems to have parallels with entry into the Kingdom for some people....30 million come and go every year with no problems whatsoever....yet some post on here how hard they have been done by and its all the fault of Thailand and never their own.

 

Maybe some people need to have a long hard look at them selves.

I believe Viagra make eyedrops for this purpose.......

Edited October 10, 2017 by tryasimight

[Adeeos]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Adeeos in post #12 refused to take the test even though he had not had a drink.

Because of his refusal to take the test he was guilty of DUI. His friend paid 10,000 Baht to get him out. 

He then insisted on taking the Breathalyzer test in an attempt to get the 10,000 baht back. Too late, he'd already paid his fine... I'm sure he felt his rights were violated, Ultimately he had it coming after giving up his rights when breaking the law and refusing to offer a breathalyzer sample. 

 

20/20 hindsight is lovely, but in this case I'm sure a simple breathalyzer sample would have seen him on his way in mere seconds instead of a self-created drama and a shuyte load of hassle for his friends and GF. 

 No,, I refused to blow into a calculator with a plastic tube taped to it,, I INSISTED on blowing at the station, in a at least REAL breathalizer machine,, they weren't interested in enforcing drunk driving laws, ONLY extorting $$$, with and illegal road block, (no proper lights, no senior officer on scene, etc), improper/fake field testing device, and NOT getting a positive result from the actual machine in the station,,, 

[richard_smith237]

Just now, Adeeos said:

BS,, he WANTED them to blood test, Blowing into a POS machine, with most likely a used mouthpiece from possibly NUMEROUS other people, and punching a series of buttons to show a result,, is THE oldest BS the BIB use to EXTORT funds... 

And this seems like the Oldest BS to avoid giving a breathalyzer sample. 

 

The first machine offered the 'Wand' does not require any contact, it simply measures the alcohol levels in the 'ambient' breath. 

The idea that the mouthpiece has been reused by numerous people without being sanitized is simply paranoid conjecture with no basis in fact, the 'punching a series of buttons' idea is equally paranoid...

 

I am no fan of the BiB in Thailand, but I find many of these comments way off balance. 

 

Ultimately the question which needs to be answered: Has anyone given a Positive Breathalyzer result and been charged when they have not had one single alcoholic drink ?

 

[Pilotman]

1 hour ago, Adeeos said:

About 2 years ago,, I was riding my scooter to the Tesco on Soi 71 off of Sukhumvit Rd, there were NO lights, anything to indicate a legal stop, only 2 lanes, 1 blocked by cars, down to 1 lane,, So I slowed way down, almost a walking pace while proceeding thru, The cops literally jumped out from between 2 of the cars parked, blocking the far left lane, and grabbed my arm nearly pulling me off the scooter,, They immedietly shoved a, "breath machine" into my face, insisting I blow,, I'd had NOTHING to drink, but when I looked at it, it appeared to be something like a simple calculator with a plastic tube taped on the top, Honestly, (which means after blowing into it, they could've typed ANY number into it they wanted) I refused each time they insisted I blew into it,, saying,  "I will blow at the station",,  After several of these back and forth, they cuffed me, took me in, hung out in a cell, for about an hour,, I assumed waiting to blow into the "official" machine there,,,  I called my girlfriend, she spoke with them on the phone,, then told me they will let you go in the morning,, Shortly after, a friend I'd called came to pick me up, had already paid the BT10,000 fine they insisted on, (He thought he was helping me out of course),,, I told them "NO, I want to blow here!" They refused to allow me to blow, and would NOT refund the 10,000 Baht "fine",, they said I had to sign a receipt for the fine,, reading it I realized it was a computer print out, with my name at the top, and a breath alcohol level of .01,, The copper said with a smile, "You seem ok guy, so I only give you .01",,, So SOMEONE else there, had blown FOR me, I refused to sign it and demanded they return the fine if they wouldn't allow me to blow legally,,, They then claimed, "If you don't sign, you will stay here, and go to the court in the morning" So better you didn't blow, as they have NO evidence as to wether you'd been drinking or not,, But that doesn't mean they still won't stitch you up in court,, I'd wait them out, IF they're bent, they'll most likely get tired of screwing with you, and release you,, OR do what they did to me,, create a blow machine result with your name on it,, and want a "fine",,, 

why would they be bent?  He had been drinking and he didn't do the test.  We only have his word on how much he had been drinking.  Many slate the Thais for their driving and accidents and this idiot is going his best to help.  Well done the RTP 

[Adeeos]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

And this seems like the Oldest BS to avoid giving a breathalyzer sample. 

 

The first machine offered the 'Wand' does not require any contact, it simply measures the alcohol levels in the 'ambient' breath. 

The idea that the mouthpiece has been reused by numerous people without being sanitized is simply paranoid conjecture with no basis in fact, the 'punching a series of buttons' idea is equally paranoid...

 

I am no fan of the BiB in Thailand, but I find many of these comments way off balance. 

 

Ultimately the question which needs to be answered: Has anyone given a Positive Breathalyzer result and been charged when they have not had one single alcoholic drink ?

 

 Read my post #12,,, Their result, from the "official" machine in the station,, showed that, "I" blew a .01,,, I NEVER blew,, someone else did,, They knew 10,000Baht was a "safe" bet, other than sending me to court with someone else's results,, Why run the risk of THEM getting caught in their scam, when they already had a sure 10,000,,, Biz as usual,,, I've blown at a roadside stop before,, an official, legal one, had my girl with me also,, I had NO problem blowing for them as I had not had a drink at all,, and they showed me the device, zero'd it, My girl mentioned to them to change the mouthpiece as it appeard used,, they had to look for a fresh one,,, So on that occasion,, I had zero problem complying with them,, Is EXACTLY why I knew enough to refuse to blow in the stop I related in post #12 a FAKE roadside device,,, 

[Techno Viking]

10 minutes ago, Adeeos said:

 No,, I refused to blow into a calculator with a plastic tube taped to it,, I INSISTED on blowing at the station, in a at least REAL breathalizer machine,, they weren't interested in enforcing drunk driving laws, ONLY extorting $$$, with and illegal road block, (no proper lights, no senior officer on scene, etc), improper/fake field testing device, and NOT getting a positive result from the actual machine in the station,,, 

They have a real machine at the police station, you know this how ?

[Adeeos]

1 minute ago, Techno Viking said:

They have a real machine at the police station, you know this how ?

Seriously? 

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, Adeeos said:

 No,, I refused to blow into a calculator with a plastic tube taped to it,, I INSISTED on blowing at the station, in a at least REAL breathalizer machine,, they weren't interested in enforcing drunk driving laws, ONLY extorting $$$, with and illegal road block, (no proper lights, no senior officer on scene, etc), improper/fake field testing device, and NOT getting a positive result from the actual machine in the station,,, 

 

Question: Are you actually that certain it was definitely a calculator with a plastic tube taped to it ?

 

Perhaps you refused to blow into what you 'thought' was a calculator with a plastic tube taped to it...

Which ever way the law looks at it, you refused a Breathalyzer test and were considered guilty by the BiB on scene. 

 

The BiB then wrongly refused you your rights to take the test at the station, I'd agree that by this stage they were only interested in extorting $$$.

 

Question: Can you recognize a Lieutenant or above by his uniform in the RTP ? 

 

I find it extremely difficult, especially at a check point with no lighting and especially as there is usually a handful of guys one usually sat down out of the way, so unless I were to check each single Police Officer I could never be certain if there were a senior officer present or not. 

 

 

[Techno Viking]

2 minutes ago, Adeeos said:

 Read my post #12,,, Their result, from the "official" machine in the station,, showed that, "I" blew a .01,,, I NEVER blew,, someone else did,, They knew 10,000Baht was a "safe" bet, other than sending me to court with someone else's results,, Why run the risk of THEM getting caught in their scam, when they already had a sure 10,000,,, Biz as usual,,, I've blown at a roadside stop before,, an official, legal one, had my girl with me also,, I had NO problem blowing for them as I had not had a drink at all,, and they showed me the device, zero'd it, My girl mentioned to them to change the mouthpiece as it appeard used,, they had to look for a fresh one,,, So on that occasion,, I had zero problem complying with them,, Is EXACTLY why I knew enough to refuse to blow in the stop I related in post #12 a FAKE roadside device,,, 

the limit in Thailand is .05 so how is .01 a scam, or am I missing something ?

[speckio]

1 hour ago, wump said:

What kind of reasoning is this? I have to accept all the bad and can't voice my opinion? You think it's cool people get charged with crimes they didn't commit? Your smart comments will stop once you innocently piss-test positive and have the choice between 1 month in jail or 200,000 in cash.

i think he was simply pointing out you have options...  in anycase if you get tired of being angry there you go.... and i agree with you for the most part 

 

Edited October 10, 2017 by speckio

[Techno Viking]

1 minute ago, Adeeos said:

Seriously? 

Honest question, ive never been in a police station for an official breath test.

[Adeeos]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Question: Are you actually that certain it was definitely a calculator with a plastic tube taped to it ?

 

Perhaps you refused to blow into what you 'thought' was a calculator with a plastic tube taped to it...

Which ever way the law looks at it, you refused a Breathalyzer test and were considered guilty by the BiB on scene. 

 

The BiB then wrongly refused you your rights to take the test at the station, I'd agree that by this stage they were only interested in extorting $$$.

 

Question: Can you recognize a Lieutenant or above by his uniform in the RTP ? 

 

I find it extremely difficult, especially at a check point with no lighting and especially as there is usually a handful of guys one usually sat down out of the way, so unless I were to check each single Police Officer I could never be certain if there were a senior officer present or not. 

 

 

 Ya, it was NOT a roadside wand, etc,, the tube was held on with a piece of silver duct tape or such,, I stated in another post,, I've been stopped before, at a legally set up, drunk driving stop prior,, so I knew when there were no barracades, lights, desk/table, normal "grunts" yanking people off the road,, it was NOT a legal stop,, So I wanted to blow at the station,, assuming they'd just give up if I made them deal with me and not get the results they wanted at the station,, 

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, Adeeos said:

 Read my post #12,,, Their result, from the "official" machine in the station,, showed that, "I" blew a .01,,, I NEVER blew,, someone else did,, They knew 10,000Baht was a "safe" bet, other than sending me to court with someone else's results,, Why run the risk of THEM getting caught in their scam, when they already had a sure 10,000,,, Biz as usual,,, I've blown at a roadside stop before,, an official, legal one, had my girl with me also,, I had NO problem blowing for them as I had not had a drink at all,, and they showed me the device, zero'd it, My girl mentioned to them to change the mouthpiece as it appeard used,, they had to look for a fresh one,,, So on that occasion,, I had zero problem complying with them,, Is EXACTLY why I knew enough to refuse to blow in the stop I related in post #12 a FAKE roadside device,,, 

 Fair enough... if you are 100% sure that you were about to be 'fit up'...

 

I too have been stopped by the BiB in Bangkok (as a passenger in a Taxi), they were riding pillion down a quite soi, saw me in the back of the Taxi and requested the taxi to pull over where they request my Passport. I recognized the money scam for precisely what it was. 

 

Thus, if you have lived here for a decent amount of time, have a healthy balanced opinion and do not carry too much paranoia against the Police (in this case) then its safe to assume that your experience can recognizes something for what it is....  Its would seem to be one of those unbelievable events - the sort of unbelievable event which occurs more often than we believe it could !!!

 

Perhaps the only 'get out' in this situation is to have reliable and connected friends who can deal with these situations at the time... 

 

[jgarbo]

3 hours ago, johna said:

Refusing a breath test in many countries is an automatic fail. As you have wasted everybody's time why expect any leniency??

Never go to jail. Admit to anything, sign anything to stay out. Deny later. Anyway, why not take the breath test, pay a fine "on the spot, no receipt thank you" and go on home? Are you new?

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, Adeeos said:

 Ya, it was NOT a roadside wand, etc,, the tube was held on with a piece of silver duct tape or such,, I stated in another post,, I've been stopped before, at a legally set up, drunk driving stop prior,, so I knew when there were no barracades, lights, desk/table, normal "grunts" yanking people off the road,, it was NOT a legal stop,, So I wanted to blow at the station,, assuming they'd just give up if I made them deal with me and not get the results they wanted at the station,, 

A fair assumption at the time with the balance of probability that they'd give up and try it on with the next person....  In this case their 'buttons' had been pushed and they decided to  roger you.

 

Fortunately such situations are extremely rare and knowing what to do to make the situation go away as quickly as possible is extremely difficult...  Ultimately 'phone a friend' (or on call lawyer) is the only real solution. Perhaps also taking a photo of the device on your phone, although if its a 'fake' its extremely doubtful they'll permit that. 

[Adeeos]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 Fair enough... if you are 100% sure that you were about to be 'fit up'...

 

I too have been stopped by the BiB in Bangkok (as a passenger in a Taxi), they were riding pillion down a quite soi, saw me in the back of the Taxi and requested the taxi to pull over where they request my Passport. I recognized the money scam for precisely what it was. 

 

Thus, if you have lived here for a decent amount of time, have a healthy balanced opinion and do not carry too much paranoia against the Police (in this case) then its safe to assume that your experience can recognizes something for what it is....  Its would seem to be one of those unbelievable events - the sort of unbelievable event which occurs more often than we believe it could !!!

 

Perhaps the only 'get out' in this situation is to have reliable and connected friends who can deal with these situations at the time... 

 

A good Thai friend told me sometime later, after my illegal stop,,  the BEST thing/things you can carry in a wallet in BKK, are a biz card of a higher up cop, and a biz card of a well known good lawyer in BKK,, Unless you're really screwing up,, he said those 2 items will get you out of most any BS stop and rob by the BIB.... lol

[tryasimight]

22 minutes ago, Adeeos said:

 Read my post #12,,, Their result, from the "official" machine in the station,, showed that, "I" blew a .01,,, I NEVER blew,, someone else did,, They knew 10,000Baht was a "safe" bet, other than sending me to court with someone else's results,, Why run the risk of THEM getting caught in their scam, when they already had a sure 10,000,,, Biz as usual,,, I've blown at a roadside stop before,, an official, legal one, had my girl with me also,, I had NO problem blowing for them as I had not had a drink at all,, and they showed me the device, zero'd it, My girl mentioned to them to change the mouthpiece as it appeard used,, they had to look for a fresh one,,, So on that occasion,, I had zero problem complying with them,, Is EXACTLY why I knew enough to refuse to blow in the stop I related in post #12 a FAKE roadside device,,, 

O.01 is well under the legal limit...you had nothing to worry about

Edited October 10, 2017 by tryasimight

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, Adeeos said:

A good Thai friend told me sometime later, after my illegal stop,,  the BEST thing/things you can carry in a wallet in BKK, are a biz card of a higher up cop, and a biz card of a well known good lawyer in BKK,, Unless you're really screwing up,, he said those 2 items will get you out of most any BS stop and rob by the BIB.... lol

Agreed... a number of years ago I had to call a friend when my Wife was stopped at a road block after drinking 2 glasses of wine. She refused to blow in to the wand making the offer furious... he let us go after speaking with my friend who knew his boss (this was a genuine check point).

My Wife was probably over the limit - she has not DUI since that night 10 years ago. 

[Ulic]

2 minutes ago, jgarbo said:

Never go to jail. Admit to anything, sign anything to stay out. Deny later. Anyway, why not take the breath test, pay a fine "on the spot, no receipt thank you" and go on home? Are you new?

The problem is this shakedown is serious money. 10k-20k. The 1-2 usd shakedown in

Cambodia, no problem. 10k-20k baht is serious money. If you have been drinking fair

enough pay your penance. Of course if you have not been drinking you are incensed.

For all those you have a couple of beers just remember .05 is a very low threshold.

Especially if you are dehydrated have and not eaten anything. Personally I am not a big drinker,

I am a big guy and I still will alternate beer and water when out and about. I also do

carry a AlcoHawk PT500. It clams to be accurate. The readings do go up as you consume

more. I just use it as an indicator. I want no trouble with the BIB.

[Adeeos]

Just now, tryasimight said:

O.01 is well under the legal limit...you had nothing to worry about

 

Exactly,, but thinking back after the fact,, once they had my 10,000baht,, And I kept insisting on blowing,, they were trying to make it clear to me,, that they already had a result for me,,, and that if I pressed it,, they WOULD be able to produce a receipt from an official machine,, showing "I blew" whatever they wanted me to blow,,, .05+

[garbolino]

2 hours ago, wump said:

"Drink driving"... give the guy a break. He says he had two small Leos and this would put him nowhere near the limit.

AGREE with you....he surely would be under the limit.....which i think is 50mgs

[MyFriend You]

37 minutes ago, Adeeos said:

 No,, I refused to blow into a calculator with a plastic tube taped to it,, I INSISTED on blowing at the station, in a at least REAL breathalizer machine,, they weren't interested in enforcing drunk driving laws, ONLY extorting $$$, with and illegal road block, (no proper lights, no senior officer on scene, etc), improper/fake field testing device, and NOT getting a positive result from the actual machine in the station,,, 

...............If what you say is true, why didn't you wait for the judge??  You could have told him about the illegal extortion of money, the ILLEGAL road block and their refusal to give you a blood test......I am sure he would have listened and immediately ordered the arrest of the Police Officers for trampingll over your rights.........it all boils down to you were afraid of blowing positive.  I also have asthma, and have a asthma spectometer that I blow into every day to measure my breath.............2 Leos??  if had been consumed rapidly just before blowing could come up positive, I think they are 5% each right?? 

 

My brother was a New Orleans Cop for thirty years and  every other person he has stopped for DUI says they "only had two small beers"       they seem to forget about the other four they had before dinner.

[toddsaed]

if you have an exciting and challenging job  like teacher,  you are so  tired at night you  want only sleep, booze is  boring, and no time, but if you must home is the best place anyway, so now he knows

[wump]

24 minutes ago, jgarbo said:

Never go to jail. Admit to anything, sign anything to stay out. Deny later. Anyway, why not take the breath test, pay a fine "on the spot, no receipt thank you" and go on home? Are you new?

Are you "old"? Your mentioned on the spot fines are long gone and now it's usually a visit or talk with a grumpy senior police officer and some serious shakedown. For Thais it's gone up to 20-30k and Farangs get asked up to 50k. Nobody would care about the usual 200 Baht 'no receipt' fine for offences like no helmet, no licence, no registration etc.

[silent]

2 hours ago, Adeeos said:

About 2 years ago,, I was riding my scooter to the Tesco on Soi 71 off of Sukhumvit Rd, there were NO lights, anything to indicate a legal stop, only 2 lanes, 1 blocked by cars, down to 1 lane,, So I slowed way down, almost a walking pace while proceeding thru, The cops literally jumped out from between 2 of the cars parked, blocking the far left lane, and grabbed my arm nearly pulling me off the scooter,, They immedietly shoved a, "breath machine" into my face, insisting I blow,, I'd had NOTHING to drink, but when I looked at it, it appeared to be something like a simple calculator with a plastic tube taped on the top, Honestly, (which means after blowing into it, they could've typed ANY number into it they wanted) I refused each time they insisted I blew into it,, saying,  "I will blow at the station",,  After several of these back and forth, they cuffed me, took me in, hung out in a cell, for about an hour,, I assumed waiting to blow into the "official" machine there,,,  I called my girlfriend, she spoke with them on the phone,, then told me they will let you go in the morning,, Shortly after, a friend I'd called came to pick me up, had already paid the BT10,000 fine they insisted on, (He thought he was helping me out of course),,, I told them "NO, I want to blow here!" They refused to allow me to blow, and would NOT refund the 10,000 Baht "fine",, they said I had to sign a receipt for the fine,, reading it I realized it was a computer print out, with my name at the top, and a breath alcohol level of .01,, The copper said with a smile, "You seem ok guy, so I only give you .01",,, So SOMEONE else there, had blown FOR me, I refused to sign it and demanded they return the fine if they wouldn't allow me to blow legally,,, They then claimed, "If you don't sign, you will stay here, and go to the court in the morning" So better you didn't blow, as they have NO evidence as to wether you'd been drinking or not,, But that doesn't mean they still won't stitch you up in court,, I'd wait them out, IF they're bent, they'll most likely get tired of screwing with you, and release you,, OR do what they did to me,, create a blow machine result with your name on it,, and want a "fine",,, 

It usually gets interesting when any individual recites the  law and demands their rights to a police officer or tells them their not following proper procedure, even in their own country.

[blackcab]

13 minutes ago, wump said:

For Thais it's gone up to 20-30k and Farangs get asked up to 50k.

 

No idea where you get your figures from. My (Thai) wife was recently offered 4k on Sukhumvit Road, next to Emquartier.

 

She opted to blow in the big machine and came back well under the limit.

Edited October 10, 2017 by blackcab

[ryanhull]

Guys, I guess I made a stupid mistake, I actually was the driver last night and with that only had two small bottles of Leo, the reason I did not opt for the breath test is becuase it happened before and I got a huge cash on the spot fine (in his pocket) after speaking to a few Thai mates they said I should have gone to court and not paid... anyway I made a massive mistake last night a. drinking two small leo`s and thinking it was safe, b. not doing a breathaliser.... I had it in my head you have the right not to do one and with that you have to have a proper blood test which obviously I assumed would have come back fine, instead it all turned messy and I ended up being launched in cell... bit harsh some of the comments I feel given I litterally had two small leo`s and was not in the slightest bit drunk but I will take it as it was daft of me... I actually spent most of the night sat in the cell with a few Thai guys eating chicken and rice, this morning the police was really nice to me, he said I was daft to refuse the test on the spot but kinda understood why I did it, we sat and had a coffee and he was a really nice guy actually. I paid 4k to a lady to be released today (instead of 30k bail) I have court tomorow which I am told by the police guy to expect a 10k fine maybe less if I am polite etc he said.

 

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The refusing a breath test is considered an admission of guilt, hence he is locked up awaiting court.

I think your spot on, in the UK its innocent until proven guilty, I see here its guilty until proven innocent, that was kinda what I was aiming for becuase I knew I would have been sober enough to drive at a proper test and didnt wanna pay 10k in some guys pocket, but yeah next time 0 beers not even 1 if im driving and I certinally wont think I have any rights anymore in regards to refusing a breath test. Actually if some of you guys had seen the way he treated me and my mates, and my car you might have a tad sympathy for me, the younger police guy nearly ripped my electric wing mirrors off despite me telling him to press the button. I can also tell he has been through my glove box and there is a HTC phone missing, not that I care as its broke anyway but yeah he was a complete douche but his piers at the station where great with me.

 

Anyway stupidness cost me 15k and a night in the slammer, sorry guys

 

Ill await more of an ass whipping of you lot heh