SURVEY: Brexit -- Good or Bad Idea?

[transam]

7 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Not so. Always an option for Greece to default, exit the EU and return to the Drachma. At the time when the Syriza government was trying a shakedown of the EU, there eventually came a Dirty Harry moment (feeling lucky punk?) and the Greek government caved.

Won't it be great when the UK eventually rids itself of all that crap.....

[ilostmypassword]

3 hours ago, transam said:

Won't it be great when the UK eventually rids itself of all that crap.....

Actually, the UK is already rid of that crap. Believe it or not, it's not in the eurozone. Which gave it a big advantage over the other large nations of the EU.

[citybiker]

Thankfully not being part of the Eurozone is one saving grace and part element, the U.K. unfortunately remains politically linked along with abiding with EU trade regulations.

 

In general now, a brief insight comparison to those who think the U.K. will mirror Greece post Brexit, the U.K. is much more resilient and prepared. (Due to BoE infrequent stress tests) since the last crash.

 

Greece

http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/greece

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_government-debt_crisis

 

https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2017/02/07/NA020717Greece-Priorities-For-A-Return-To-Sustainable-Growth

 

https://www.ft.com/topics/themes/Greece_Debt_Crisis

 

180% of GDP

 

U.K.

 

Roughly less than half that, Abiet still not good but comparing Greece is a non-starter.

Some countries can’t afford to leave the EU & Eurozone, and any government putting their citizens and electorate in that prick & hard place situation should all be sacked.

 

 

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[nauseus]

3 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

Actually, the UK is already rid of that crap. Believe it or not, it's not in the eurozone. Which gave it a big advantage over the other large nations of the EU.

Wrong way round, the small nations are not advantaged but Germany is.

[ilostmypassword]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

Wrong way round, the small nations are not advantaged but Germany is.

It depends which small Eurozone nations you're talking about. Those where their own currency, if they had one, would be stronger than the Euro are actually advantaged, too. And what does your reply have to do with the fact that the UK actually has an advantage because it's not a member of the Eurozone?

[Khun Han]

Some interesting stuff being bandied about in this discussion:

 

 

Have to say that, whilst I don't agree with all of Varoufakis' analysis, he clearly has his finger on the pulse. No doubt the globalists have marked his card. Expect a scandal involving him sometime soon.

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

It depends which small Eurozone nations you're talking about. Those where their own currency, if they had one, would be stronger than the Euro are actually advantaged, too. And what does your reply have to do with the fact that the UK actually has an advantage because it's not a member of the Eurozone?

The Euro has been, and still is, advantageous to Germany, far more than any other Eurozone country.

 

At the moment, Germany has even more economic advantage over everyone in Europe, including the UK, because disadvantage is synonymous with high debt, whatever currency is used. 

[abrahamzvi]

On 11/5/2017 at 2:54 AM, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

The basket case Greece was not the only country that fiddled the books and the ERM was ignored by several others*. The EU in its obsession for a bureaucratic takeover of Europe turned a blind eye to what went on.

Economically Germany has been the main winner, merely adjusting prices to cover the low exchange rate of the Euro compared to what the Deutschmark would now be.

You need to dig deep to find out what happened, as most reports brush over it.

 

*A clip from Wiki:

"As part of the EU treaty, all of the EU Member States are obliged to adhere to the Stability and Growth Pact (SGP), which as a framework to ensure price stability and fiscal responsibility, has adopted identical limits for governments budget deficit and debt as the convergence criteria. Due to the fact that several countries did not exercise a sufficient level of fiscal responsibility during the first 10 years of the euro's lifetime - ".  France was one.

 

I fail to see why all the doom mongers continue this rhetoric against the UK shaking free of the overbearing EU when it is no dead cat or still born, more a reborn lion cub soon to be released back into the world.

All the Armageddon predictions have proved wrong to date, and that can continue without internal sabotage.

The EU are shaking in their high heals about the loss of income, and will make negotiations (not that they are negotiating, just dictating so far) as difficult as possible in fear the whole House Of Cards will tumble.

It seems the remaoners are determined to ensure the UK fails and is forced to become a European State, relinquishing all power to mostly appointed bureaucrats in Brussels (and Strasbourg).

Two "little corporals" failed before don't forget.

 

So where is the sense in denying democracy?

It is not the future I want for my kids and grand kids...

 

Getting a visa or work permit is a small price to pay to travel to and from Europe to retain what was a long and bloody fight for an independent democracy in the UK.

 

 

 

 

An "Independent Democracy" only works if the economic conditions allow it to. I doubt that with a collapsing currency, unemployment of 10% and higher, inflation of 10% or more - in short a collapsing economy - a proper democracy can work.It's really fertile ground for extreme right or left populists and not for democrats. Please beware of a "hard Brexit", it will be a disaster for the UK!

[nauseus]

35 minutes ago, abrahamzvi said:

An "Independent Democracy" only works if the economic conditions allow it to. I doubt that with a collapsing currency, unemployment of 10% and higher, inflation of 10% or more - in short a collapsing economy - a proper democracy can work.It's really fertile ground for extreme right or left populists and not for democrats. Please beware of a "hard Brexit", it will be a disaster for the UK!

Your claims and numbers are certainly not valid at the moment. In any case the desire for a return to democracy is valued more highly than the economy by most leave voters; remainers always ignore or forget that. The UK economy may collapse but if it does, it's likely to do so in tandem with the EU.

[nontabury]

18 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

Actually, the UK is already rid of that crap. Believe it or not, it's not in the eurozone. Which gave it a big advantage over the other large nations of the EU.

Thank god we are not in the Euro,unlike most of the E.U countries that are Trapped into it. Thus making it harder to achieved their freedom, unlike the U.K. 

[nontabury]

3 hours ago, abrahamzvi said:

An "Independent Democracy" only works if the economic conditions allow it to. I doubt that with a collapsing currency, unemployment of 10% and higher, inflation of 10% or more - in short a collapsing economy - a proper democracy can work.It's really fertile ground for extreme right or left populists and not for democrats. Please beware of a "hard Brexit", it will be a disaster for the UK!

Have’t we heard all this before?

 

[SheungWan]

14 hours ago, Khun Han said:

Have to say that, whilst I don't agree with all of Varoufakis' analysis, he clearly has his finger on the pulse. No doubt the globalists have marked his card. Expect a scandal involving him sometime soon.

Total loser when push came to shove. Good reason though to be some Brexiteer's hero probably.

[SheungWan]

5 hours ago, nontabury said:

Have’t we heard all this before?

Brexiteer incessant voices in head.

[SheungWan]

7 hours ago, nauseus said:

Your claims and numbers are certainly not valid at the moment. In any case the desire for a return to democracy is valued more highly than the economy by most leave voters; remainers always ignore or forget that. The UK economy may collapse but if it does, it's likely to do so in tandem with the EU.

'The UK economy may collapse but if it does, it's likely to do so in tandem with the EU.'

Likely this and likely that.

[rufanuf]

6 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

'The UK economy may collapse but if it does, it's likely to do so in tandem with the EU.'

Likely this and likely that.

What do you know then? That the rest of us don't? Simply amazes me that so many stupid people think big government is a good idea, reagardless of ANY economic reason in favour of or against the EU..the EU is simply a repeat effort by this generations power brokers, using this generations methods, as the last generations powerbrokers using the last generations methods. Greedy people trying to carve up the fruits of as many other normal hardworking people between themselves as they possibly can. It never ends....just cycles.

[Jip99]

I have only just taken notice of the voting results.... interesting......and not what I would have expected.

[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, Jip99 said:

I have only just taken notice of the voting results.... interesting......and not what I would have expected.

You have to consider that most participants are older males.  It's about what one would expect.

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, Jip99 said:

I have only just taken notice of the voting results.... interesting......and not what I would have expected.

 

1 hour ago, mommysboy said:

You have to consider that most participants are older males.  It's about what one would expect.

The cream of Soi Buakaow.

[Jip99]

14 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

 

The cream of Soi Buakaow.

Nothing wrong with soi Buakhao....?

[LaoPo]

Was it discussed already that Putin's money with his financial soldiers was involved in the LEAVE CAMPAIGN ?

 

How Putin could yet save Britain from Brexit

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/02/putin-save-britain-brexit-russia-eu-referendum

[LaoPo]

One of the financiers...

 

Following Arron Banks' money: who delivered the payment in paraphernalia? 

ADAM RAMSAY 3 November 2017

 

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/adam-ramsay/following-banks-money-who-provided-payment-in-paraphernalia

 

The sewers are opening up...

 

 

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, LaoPo said:

Was it discussed already that Putin's money with his financial soldiers was involved in the LEAVE CAMPAIGN ?

 

How Putin could yet save Britain from Brexit

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/02/putin-save-britain-brexit-russia-eu-referendum

I can't remember. Check back through the history.

[LaoPo]

Just now, nauseus said:

I can't remember. Check back through the history.

 

The news only came out since a few days.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, SheungWan said:

'The UK economy may collapse but if it does, it's likely to do so in tandem with the EU.'

Likely this and likely that.

You got a straw mattress too?

[nontabury]

7 minutes ago, LaoPo said:

Was it discussed already that Putin's money with his financial soldiers was involved in the LEAVE CAMPAIGN ?

 

How Putin could yet save Britain from Brexit

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/02/putin-save-britain-brexit-russia-eu-referendum

Another unbiased story from the Guardian. I think not.

[LaoPo]

18 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Another unbiased story from the Guardian. I think not.

 

The (Putin) truth can be far more realistic than the scenario for a movie...

 

But maybe you can explain why the Electoral Committee is investigating Arron Banks' money and where it came from?

 

There's more to come and we've just to wait and see what dirt comes out of London's and Moscow's sewages...

 

 

[nauseus]

6 minutes ago, LaoPo said:

 

The news only came out since a few days.

Oh OK.

[dundee48]

3 hours ago, LaoPo said:

Was it discussed already that Putin's money with his financial soldiers was involved in the LEAVE CAMPAIGN ?

 

How Putin could yet save Britain from Brexit

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/02/putin-save-britain-brexit-russia-eu-referendum

The Guardian=hahahahahahahahahah.Completely unbiased=hahahahahahah.

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

1 hour ago, dundee48 said:

The Guardian=hahahahahahahahahah.Completely unbiased=hahahahahahah.

You should read the "Reality Check" on today's BBC report by Alex Forsyth too.  It leaves out all the essential facts about the WTO Rules.

Cheers, G.

[Khun Han]

17 minutes ago, dundee48 said:

4 hours ago, LaoPo said:

Was it discussed already that Putin's money with his financial soldiers was involved in the LEAVE CAMPAIGN ?

 

How Putin could yet save Britain from Brexit

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/02/putin-save-britain-brexit-russia-eu-referendum

The Guardian=hahahahahahahahahah.Completely unbiased=hahahahahahah.

 

Just read it. Absolutely nothing of substance in it. Just a remain journalist trying to create a story out of nothing.