PM Prayut calls urgent meeting to combat flooding

[robblok]

Just now, pornprong said:

Yingluck came to power after the 2011 flooding had already begun and and she kept on Abhisit's minister to provide continuity in flood management.... yet you still ranted against her.

 

Prayuth has had unopposed complete and total control of this flood prone country for over 3 years and yet......you cut him slack.

 

Given the criticism of Yingluck - do you think Prayuth has performed well?

If the capital is underwater during the cremation ceremonies due on 26th October, is it the General's fault?

(You sure as hell would be blaming Yingluck if this was happening on her watch)

It was not Abisith minister, it was one of her allies that stayed on. She is ultimately responsible I got articles to back this up I am bored to play this game its hard for people like you to accept she was guilty. Had Abisith been in charge and messed with the dams Id be equally harsh about. It I was personally affected by this, and worse then her meddeling with the dams was the misinformation she sprouted. She told us no flooding no flooding while the water mass was moving over land closer and closer to us. She had satellites and small planes to do areal survey but never warned anyone (Bangya area here). Many in our village turend away from her after the misinformation. Many lost their cars as they had trusted here. While i was flooded for 1,5 month and still living in the house I had a lot of conversations with Thais about it and they all agreed YL dropped the ball mainly on her denial of flooding withholding information. (plus her stunt of labeling donation from normal people as if they came from her brother)

 

Prayut so far has done a better job by releasing the dams before it was too late. That how it should be done. You can't prevent flooding 100% but there is no need to make it worse then it is. If Prayut lets BKK flood but gives good information and does everything he can (not making it worse with dams). Then he has done a good job. I would not judge YL or Prayut on the flooding itself but how they handle it. 

 

But I feel both of them have not done enough (building dams and so on) since 2011. It feels like almost nothing has been done while YL should have done something and Prayut too. That is something i blame them both for. I actually blame a lot of Thais for the flooding it seems it always flood at the same places why they don't implement some better measures instead of sandbags is crazy. Maybe because its cheap to put up some sandbags and a permanent fix will cost money. 

[Ossy]

Flooding on flood plains will never be stopped. Only the intelligent planning and use of flood-control measures - reservoirs, tunnels, pumping stations, etc. - otherwise known as drainage management, can help reduce the impact of the unstoppable rains that are as good as bound to come again and again and again. Be it 25, 50 or 100yrs, the need for good management, involving conscientious, proactive staff, must remain a top-priority, no matter how much 'total control of everything' one man thinks he has.

Edited October 17, 2017 by Ossy
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[Ossy]

4 hours ago, robblok said:

Its a valid reason for flooding, there is only so much you can do in certain cases 200mm  is a lot of rain. You can't expect drainage to be build for extra ordinary occasions. The price would be too high you make draining to normal specification and accept that once in a while you get flooded. 

 

Though i would like to see how the giant tunnel draining the water has helped if it did not help then someone needs to be held responsible for it. It was a huge project and supposed to help with draining.. now if it does not work then heads should roll. 

Re the Big Tunnel

Having read the article, can see that the tunnel lets into the Chao Phraya river, about 6km downstream. My thinking is that, if it's the overflowing river that is the primary cause of the flooding, i.e. streets under 0.6m water or more, the proposed outflow may already be above street level at the input end. Mmm . . . no matter how powerful the pumps, there's no way they're gonna shift that water, for wh there's only two effective pumps: tide and time.

 

[pornprong]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

It was not Abisith minister, it was one of her allies that stayed on. She is ultimately responsible I got articles to back this up I am bored to play this game its hard for people like you to accept she was guilty. Had Abisith been in charge and messed with the dams Id be equally harsh about. It I was personally affected by this, and worse then her meddeling with the dams was the misinformation she sprouted. She told us no flooding no flooding while the water mass was moving over land closer and closer to us. She had satellites and small planes to do areal survey but never warned anyone (Bangya area here). Many in our village turend away from her after the misinformation. Many lost their cars as they had trusted here. While i was flooded for 1,5 month and still living in the house I had a lot of conversations with Thais about it and they all agreed YL dropped the ball mainly on her denial of flooding withholding information. (plus her stunt of labeling donation from normal people as if they came from her brother)

It was Abhisits minister.

Absolutely.

Theera Wongsamut

You are either fudging facts or just plain ignorant of the facts - it has nothing to do with boredom.

 

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Prayut so far has done a better job by releasing the dams before it was too late. That how it should be done. You can't prevent flooding 100% but there is no need to make it worse then it is. If Prayut lets BKK flood but gives good information and does everything he can (not making it worse with dams). Then he has done a good job. I would not judge YL or Prayut on the flooding itself but how they handle it. 

Prayuth has done a better job....yet Bangkok is under water.

 

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30326618

 

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

But I feel both of them have not done enough (building dams and so on) since 2011. It feels like almost nothing has been done while YL should have done something and Prayut too. That is something i blame them both for. I actually blame a lot of Thais for the flooding it seems it always flood at the same places why they don't implement some better measures instead of sandbags is crazy. Maybe because its cheap to put up some sandbags and a permanent fix will cost money. 

Yingluck did everything she could, it was the messiness of democracy that prevented implementation of many of her proposals - a problem that Prayuth does not have. What is his excuse for his inaction?

 

https://www.voanews.com/a/thailand-budgets-12-billion-to-avoid-repeat-of-2011-flood-catastrophe-147139575/179378.html

[Ossy]

31 minutes ago, robblok said:

It was not Abisith minister, it was one of her allies that stayed on. She is ultimately responsible I got articles to back this up I am bored to play this game its hard for people like you to accept she was guilty. Had Abisith been in charge and messed with the dams Id be equally harsh about. It I was personally affected by this, and worse then her meddeling with the dams was the misinformation she sprouted. She told us no flooding no flooding while the water mass was moving over land closer and closer to us. She had satellites and small planes to do areal survey but never warned anyone (Bangya area here). Many in our village turend away from her after the misinformation. Many lost their cars as they had trusted here. While i was flooded for 1,5 month and still living in the house I had a lot of conversations with Thais about it and they all agreed YL dropped the ball mainly on her denial of flooding withholding information. (plus her stunt of labeling donation from normal people as if they came from her brother)

 

Prayut so far has done a better job by releasing the dams before it was too late. That how it should be done. You can't prevent flooding 100% but there is no need to make it worse then it is. If Prayut lets BKK flood but gives good information and does everything he can (not making it worse with dams). Then he has done a good job. I would not judge YL or Prayut on the flooding itself but how they handle it. 

 

But I feel both of them have not done enough (building dams and so on) since 2011. It feels like almost nothing has been done while YL should have done something and Prayut too. That is something i blame them both for. I actually blame a lot of Thais for the flooding it seems it always flood at the same places why they don't implement some better measures instead of sandbags is crazy. Maybe because its cheap to put up some sandbags and a permanent fix will cost money. 

Great debate, you guys . . . this is what TVF's all about. No carping or carving knives, just whole-hearted points of view. If the site wasn't still on a go-slow, I could follow you two all day.

[Ossy]

6 minutes ago, pornprong said:

It was Abhisits minister.

Absolutely.

Theera Wongsamut

You are either fudging facts or just plain ignorant of the facts - it has nothing to do with boredom.

 

Prayuth has done a better job....yet Bangkok is under water.

 

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30326618

 

Yingluck did everything she could, it was the messiness of democracy that prevented implementation of many of her proposals - a problem that Prayuth does not have. What is his excuse for his inaction?

 

https://www.voanews.com/a/thailand-budgets-12-billion-to-avoid-repeat-of-2011-flood-catastrophe-147139575/179378.html

If only you two were next door neighbours . . . or maybe you are and only doing all this ranting to keep the forum numbers up.

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, pornprong said:

It was Abhisits minister.

Absolutely.

Theera Wongsamut

You are either fudging facts or just plain ignorant of the facts - it has nothing to do with boredom.

 

Prayuth has done a better job....yet Bangkok is under water.

 

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30326618

 

Yingluck did everything she could, it was the messiness of democracy that prevented implementation of many of her proposals - a problem that Prayuth does not have. What is his excuse for his inaction?

 

https://www.voanews.com/a/thailand-budgets-12-billion-to-avoid-repeat-of-2011-flood-catastrophe-147139575/179378.html

He is not a democrat he is Chartthaipattana party an normal ally of the PTP. So it certainly was not Abisith his man but a natural ally of the PTP.

 

Bangkok under water has nothing to do with flooding but with rain and drainage. Were you actually here during the flooding ? Bangkok has always had a drainage problem. Especially when you get record rains in 25 years. 

 

YL done nothing was too busy with the farmers, and Prayut not sure what his excuse is but done not enough either.. and guess what.. i doubt anyone will do enough because things like dams cost a lot of money and are not completed in a goverment term so the benefits won't be seen while they are in office. So its not something politicians like to spend money on. 

[robblok]

Just now, Ossy said:

If only you two were next door neighbours . . . or maybe you are and only doing all this ranting to keep the forum numbers up.

Just a bit of debate nothing wrong with that like cheering for 2 bad soccer teams.. neither is really good and has its defects. 

 

I am not a lover of the junta just dislike the Shins more (not by a large margin). Anyway nobody will solve the flooding because there is no will and or money. Prayut has some good plans (recently in the news) but I doubt it will amount to much as the next government will probably kill the plans. (i like the idea of improving drainage by making a canal in Ayuttaya). 

[pornprong]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

He is not a democrat he is Chartthaipattana party an normal ally of the PTP. So it certainly was not Abisith his man but a natural ally of the PTP.

What was his role in Abhisit's military arm twisting  / judicial coup government of 2008 - 2011?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abhisit_cabinet

 

1 minute ago, robblok said:

Bangkok under water has nothing to do with flooding but with rain and drainage. Were you actually here during the flooding ? Bangkok has always had a drainage problem. Especially when you get record rains in 25 years. 

Bangkok underwater has nothing to do with flooding........????????........I would beg to differ.

 

1 minute ago, robblok said:

YL done nothing was too busy with the farmers, and Prayut not sure what his excuse is but done not enough either.. and guess what.. i doubt anyone will do enough because things like dams cost a lot of money and are not completed in a goverment term so the benefits won't be seen while they are in office. So its not something politicians like to spend money on. 

Imagine if there were no coups and a continuity of democratic governments.... where would Thailand be now?

 

Not underwater is my guess.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

I am still not really forgiving of her efforts because her government kept the dams topped up (to protect rice) and then they had to release it at the worst possible time and it cause a lot of extra damage. That is mismanagement. I don't blame her for the flooding itself.. just for making it worse by meddling with the dams to gain support of the farmers.

 

I am also not forgiving of the ones who made the tunnel if it does not work als promised (did you read my post at all).

 

I am just stating that you cannot build drainage to a specification to exclude all flooding as it would be too expensive. That is something that happens world wide. You don't take into account the worst case.. you go a little below that because otherwise it would cost too much.

 

If you read my other posts you would have read that I have questioned YL and Prayuts actions since 2011 and I think both did not do enough in the years that passed 2011. 

The NACC has already ruled on that she was not responsible for the 2011 flooding. Get over this Rob and move on. 

[wakeupplease]

31 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

The NACC has already ruled on that she was not responsible for the 2011 flooding. Get over this Rob and move on. 

Move on where? Oh I know?

Edited October 17, 2017 by wakeupplease

[chainarong]

Best 2 see Yingluck and the PTP company , they had the flood mitigation plan in action at one time and that worked well , so they liked to tell everyone, I guess it depended where U lived on a mountain or next to a river.........................

[Ossy]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

The NACC has already ruled on that she was not responsible for the 2011 flooding. Get over this Rob and move on. 

I can't see how flooding became a corruption issue, unless Yingluck was contracted to keep her finger in the dyke, but scarpered when things got messy.

[Eric Loh]

8 minutes ago, Ossy said:

I can't see how flooding became a corruption issue, unless Yingluck was contracted to keep her finger in the dyke, but scarpered when things got messy.

"The National Anti-Corruption Commission has resolved that former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra was not negligent in failing to prevent the massive damage caused by the flooding in 2011 when her government was in power".

 

It was actually negligence but I am sure they were trying to find a corruption angle and stick it to her. And I think that to charge her with negligence would mean implicating Ahbisit also and that's a no no.

[trainman34014]

Constant meetings 'combat' nothing !   What's needed is people with enough brains to manage the country's water resources properly but after more than 2000 years they are still clueless.  Stand by for another 2000 years of useless numbskulls blaming everyone but themselves !

[Thechook]

Prayuth blamed Yingluk for the last floods and well aware of what needed to be done but did absolutely nothing.  It appears the procurement of military toys has total priority over infrastructure and the lives of citizens.  This meeting to discuss what the could have prevented is nothing more than a bull crap publicity stump to try and convince the mushrooms he cares.