Pheu Thai’s search for a leader

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4 hours ago, greenchair said:

He formed the party, he runs the party, he makes major decisions of positions for the party. 

That is his right. 

That's what politician leaders do. 

 

Add:   'he owns the party company and makes all of its' strategies and decisions and finances everything including giving every party member employee a handsome salary based on a promise to say 'yes' and to vote as instructed, and a promise to keep your mouth shut at all times.'

 

What that also means is that this scenario is not even a political party in the normal / acceptable form. Plus 99% of the party members employees are not there to discuss / agree adjustments and changes / major changes which would represent progress for all Thais because in fact they are not capable of such important discussions.  

 

Could they stand alone without their master and salary provider? No!

Edited October 24, 2017 by scorecard

[Ossy]

53 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

Add:   'he owns the party company and makes all of its' strategies and decisions and finances everything including giving every party member employee a handsome salary based on a promise to say 'yes' and to vote as instructed, and a promise to keep your mouth shut at all times.'

 

What that also means is that this scenario is not even a political party in the normal / acceptable form. Plus 99% of the party members employees are not there to discuss / agree adjustments and changes / major changes which would represent progress for all Thais because in fact they are not capable of such important discussions.  

 

Could they stand alone without their master and salary provider? No!

Not for a long time, but sometime, maybe; once they have been able to detach themselves from his scheming grip. If the heart and the will and the belief & commitment to core policies is there, that should, I believe, be enough to generate a management crew, capable of setting-up a new party machine. A Western-world politics pipe-dream, maybe, but I also believe that if more Thais could be persuaded to put their energy and passion to constructive, rather than destructive channels, their new machine could be up and running within, let's say, 5 to 8 yrs.

[greenchair]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

 

Add:   'he owns the party company and makes all of its' strategies and decisions and finances everything including giving every party member employee a handsome salary based on a promise to say 'yes' and to vote as instructed, and a promise to keep your mouth shut at all times.'

 

What that also means is that this scenario is not even a political party in the normal / acceptable form. Plus 99% of the party members employees are not there to discuss / agree adjustments and changes / major changes which would represent progress for all Thais because in fact they are not capable of such important discussions.  

 

Could they stand alone without their master and salary provider? No!

Well the public don't agree with you. They knew all of this and still they voted him in. It would not matter if jerry mcfin took the helm. 

The party would win and the opposition would say jerry is taksin puppet. Even if the whole party split and a new party formed the opposition would use taksin as an excuse. Let's face it, the opposition want pt dismantled into smaller parties so that. ........

There is no opposition ???

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Just now, greenchair said:

Well the public don't agree with you. They knew all of this and still they voted him in. It would not matter if jerry mcfin took the helm. 

The party would win and the opposition would say jerry is taksin puppet. Even if the whole party split and a new party formed the opposition would use taksin as an excuse. Let's face it, the opposition want pt dismantled into smaller parties so that. ........

There is no opposition ???

 

Just your opinion.

 

Plus there is no doubt the 'red democracy schools' or their reincarnation will be alive and well and active (underground if needed) and IMHO little doubt that there would be more lies and even intimidation. Further do you really believe in the next election all parties will have full access unharassed to conduct their campaign activities in all regions and locations? I don't.  

[Ossy]

4 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

Just your opinion.

 

Plus there is no doubt the 'red democracy schools' or their reincarnation will be alive and well and active (underground if needed) and IMHO little doubt that there would be more lies and even intimidation. Further do you really believe in the next election all parties will have full access unharassed to conduct their campaign activities in all regions and locations? I don't.  

The proverbial 'between a rock and a hard place' for PT, until/unless they have the guts to dig-in and go Takless

[billd766]

6 hours ago, greenchair said:

He formed the party, he runs the party, he makes major decisions of positions for the party. 

That is his right. 

That's what politician leaders do. 

 

Do you believe that is democracy?

 

Yet you complain when Prayut does the same thing and call him anti democratic and a dictator.

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45 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Do you believe that is democracy?

 

Yet you complain when Prayut does the same thing and call him anti democratic and a dictator.

 

Well said, best post this year !!!

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1 hour ago, greenchair said:

Well the public don't agree with you. They knew all of this and still they voted him in. It would not matter if jerry mcfin took the helm. 

The party would win and the opposition would say jerry is taksin puppet. Even if the whole party split and a new party formed the opposition would use taksin as an excuse. Let's face it, the opposition want pt dismantled into smaller parties so that. ........

There is no opposition ???

 

""Well the public don't agree with you.""

 

You're using your selective reading bias again... 

[greenchair]

5 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

Do you believe that is democracy?

 

Yet you complain when Prayut does the same thing and call him anti democratic and a dictator.

I have never called Prayut anti democratic or a dictator so bite yor tongue ???

I didn't say it was democracy either whatever that is so bite yor tongue ???

I said taksin formed the party, built the party up, lead them to landslide victory, so of course he would choose positions and set policy of the party. 

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11 hours ago, LannaGuy said:

 

No "posing" bro they WERE a democratically elected government and the thugs you worship prevented another and why's THAT? 

 

because they would LOSE AGAIN 

 

why else stop it?  bully boys reminiscent of the brown shirts in the 30s but you seem to like them, strange that

 

...they were a democratically elected government...

 

None so blind as those that deliberately and actively don't want to see.