Please, I need help taking my bf out of IDC/thailand

[overherebc]

4 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said:

I agree. But are you sure those scams which you are aware of are the very same ones operating in the Kingdom? It is a wild extrapolation that the OP's boyfriend is involved in one to which I totally disagree with all due respect to those who would disagree with me.   

Generally if looks like a duck, walks and quacks like a duck.

[ubonjoe]

2 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

seems a bit lenient

almost worth going on overstay

Perhaps if you are willing to be put in IDC and then be deported.

[Aditi Sharma]

2 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Generally if looks like a duck, walks and quacks like a duck.

It would be a nightmare to live next to the IDC complex and hear them

[phuketjock]

2 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said:

I agree. But are you sure those scams which you are aware of are the very same ones operating in the Kingdom? It is a wild extrapolation that the OP's boyfriend is involved in one to which I totally disagree with all due respect to those who would disagree with me.   

Your naivety beggars belief.

[overherebc]

2 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said:

It would be a nightmare to live next to the IDC complex and hear them

Try inside.

[ubonjoe]

52 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Off topic, inflammatory and abusive posts have been removed.

From now on there will be no further notice of the removals made.

If you don't have anything helpful to post do not bother posting.

And a reminder after removing several more.

[BritTim]

2 hours ago, jenny2017 said:

   Op, please make sure that your friend is really at the IDC. There are too many scams going on and if he doesn't even know the name of the place, I'd be more than careful. 

It is wise to be cautious, but the lack of contact after the initial video call makes it almost certain this is genuine (unless the OP is a troll which my instincts suggest is not the case).

 

If you are short of money, you could discuss with the consulate whether they can act as an escrow for arranging payment for your bf's air ticket, and miscellaneous costs associated with the escort to the airport and deportation. However, if you have already purchased a return air ticket, I guess you will probably prefer to come here to see if there is something you can do to help on the spot.

 

Getting food and clothing to your bf should be quite easy. Cash is very useful, and it is worthwhile to see if you can reliably get ta little to him. The consulate can probably arrange that, and may be able to arrange to get him other small luxuries, such as a sleeping mat and pillow. Whether that is worthwhile will depend on how long he will need to stay inside before his deportation.

[Aditi Sharma]

4 minutes ago, BritTim said:

1. If you are short of money, you could discuss with the consulate whether they can act as an escrow for arranging payment for your bf's air ticket, and miscellaneous costs associated with the escort to the airport and deportation. However, if you have already purchased a return air ticket, I guess you will probably prefer to come here to see if there is something you can do to help on the spot.

 

2. Whether that is worthwhile will depend on how long he will need to stay inside before his deportation.

1. This is a brilliant suggestion. But since it can be safely assumed that the OP and her BF were not of the same nationality, she would have to speak to his consulate, right? Do most consulates consider this kind of arrangement?

 

2. How long do you reckon it can get at a guess?

[overherebc]

10 minutes ago, BritTim said:

It is wise to be cautious, but the lack of contact after the initial video call makes it almost certain this is genuine (unless the OP is a troll which my instincts suggest is not the case).

 

If you are short of money, you could discuss with the consulate whether they can act as an escrow for arranging payment for your bf's air ticket, and miscellaneous costs associated with the escort to the airport and deportation. However, if you have already purchased a return air ticket, I guess you will probably prefer to come here to see if there is something you can do to help on the spot.

 

Getting food and clothing to your bf should be quite easy. Cash is very useful, and it is worthwhile to see if you can reliably get ta little to him. The consulate can probably arrange that, and may be able to arrange to get him other small luxuries, such as a sleeping mat and pillow. Whether that is worthwhile will depend on how long he will need to stay inside before his deportation.

Forget the sleeping mat and pillow, it's not allowed. Money is also pretty useless, where would they spend it?

[jenny2017]

Just now, overherebc said:

Forget the sleeping mat and pillow, it's not allowed. Money is also pretty useless, where would they spend it?

I assume that the officers will buy certain things for them?

[Aditi Sharma]

Just now, overherebc said:

Forget the sleeping mat and pillow, it's not allowed. Money is also pretty useless, where would they spend it?

All jails have a canteen. Isnt there one in the IDC as well?? I would be truly shocked if there wasnt one!

[BritTim]

1 minute ago, overherebc said:

Forget the sleeping mat and pillow, it's not allowed. Money is also pretty useless, where would they spend it?

That may have been true in the past. I have seen reports from people who have been in IDC in the last few years that you can use cash to get small items from the 7-11 (giving the guards a small commission for getting it done). I have also heard of people getting sleeping mats with the embassy's help (but maybe this requires bribes, I do not know).

[Aditi Sharma]

Can the OP contact a Thai social worker to escort her and assist her with this? Hope she is not coming to Thailand alone. The fact that she has not updated this topic with her comments makes me think this is a genuine case and not a troll for suckers like me. 

[overherebc]

9 minutes ago, BritTim said:

That may have been true in the past. I have seen reports from people who have been in IDC in the last few years that you can use cash to get small items from the 7-11 (giving the guards a small commission for getting it done). I have also heard of people getting sleeping mats with the embassy's help (but maybe this requires bribes, I do not know).

I would hazard a guess if you are the one with the one with the mat, pillow and some cash you better be well prepared to defend it.

The cells with up to 70 people have one toilet and I can't see taking it to the toilet with you.

It's nothing like the general idea people have of a prison.

No lights out at ten and go to sleep, they stay on 24 hours a day.

Different ball-game.

[overherebc]

21 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said:

All jails have a canteen. Isnt there one in the IDC as well?? I would be truly shocked if there wasnt one!

No canteen. Food is brought to the cells. Rice, bit of soup and a bit of bread.

[Aditi Sharma]

It is possible that her boyfriend like Obama is not African ( she might have wanted to say he was black!) and not from Africa. He might be a European national like her. At any rate, would she be able pay a gratuity to a kindly soul  in immigration or at the IDC who can inquire about what flight he has been put on etc and email it to her? Is that something she might be able to arrange when she is in Bangkok now that we learn she will not be able to get out with him?

 

Somebody told her, who?, and they were not clear at all, why?, what "wrong step" does she fear - helping him at all?

"Should I contact the consulate of his country? (as there is no embassy)" she says, does it matter whether there was a consulate or an embassy? 

 

 

 

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[AGareth2]

3 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said:

would she be able pay a gratuity to a kindly soul  in immigration or at the IDC

is that what they call a bribe in Mumbai?

[Aditi Sharma]

12 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

is that what they call a bribe in Mumbai?

If you look carefully, it's not a bribe. A bribe in Mumbai is called chai-paani. 

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[sanemax]

4 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said:

It is possible that her boyfriend like Obama is not African ( she might have wanted to say he was black!) and not from Africa. He might be a European national like her.

No, that isnt a possibility 

[JackThompson]

1 hour ago, AGareth2 said:

seems a bit lenient

almost worth going on overstay

The cost of the flight purchased under these conditions will almost certainly outweigh any reduction in the fine - not to mention the experience of it all.

 

2 hours ago, Aditi Sharma said:

... What if a reporter, lawyer or a human rights activist wants to meet a detainee? What is the process, pls?

I would guess those approaches are limited, given the fact that many so-called "human rights" and "news reporting" orgs are nothing more than foreign-funded "regime change" operators.  See the "NED" and "Open Society" at the top of the money-chain, which fund many smaller tentacles. 

 

I am sure many good, well-meaning people work for these orgs; if they only followed the money, and discovered the larger goals for which they are being used. 

 

I would guess the Thais have followed the money, and noted that certain exiled/on-the-lam Thai-expats are good-friends and business-associates with major "donors" to certain NGOs and Foundations.

[overherebc]

31 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said:

It is possible that her boyfriend like Obama is not African ( she might have wanted to say he was black!) and not from Africa. He might be a European national like her. At any rate, would she be able pay a gratuity to a kindly soul  in immigration or at the IDC who can inquire about what flight he has been put on etc and email it to her? Is that something she might be able to arrange when she is in Bangkok now that we learn she will not be able to get out with him?

 

Somebody told her, who?, and they were not clear at all, why?, what "wrong step" does she fear - helping him at all?

"Should I contact the consulate of his country? (as there is no embassy)" she says, does it matter whether there was a consulate or an embassy? 

 

 

 

She will not be able to see him or talk to him at the airport. No contact will be allowed as he will not be lining up at check in with the other passengers.

That will be done for him while he in the holding cell at the airport, his passport will be in the hands of the aircrew/pilot until he reaches the destination.

She, if she goes through with all this, might see him for one hour every 3 or 4 days and that's it.

This cloud has no silver lining.

[Aditi Sharma]

I wonder if the OP will have to check if a deportation order has been issued against him. It is likely it hasn't been, so how much time is that going to take? She is going to be in Thailand for only two weeks, you see. 

I also wonder if she will have to ask him to check the terms if any of his deportation order because if that order has a DO-NOT-ENTER-BY date then, he has to be careful he doesnt violate it otherwise he could be in the slammer for a long haul. 

It would be great if she can already plan on extending her stay until he had flown out of the Kingdom. 

I am curious but I do not want to ask what he had been doing during the overstay period, it is up to her to enlighten us if she so wishes to do. But if she is taking the trouble to get him back, I am sure he deserved it, and she deserves better in Heaven :-(

 

 

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[PerkinsCuthbert]

Having read the OP's original post again, I am trying to keep an open mind while thinking of the best way for her to proceed.

Firstly, in my opinion, the OP needs to examine carefully the nature of her relationship with her BF; in particular, does she have complete faith that the situation in which he says he finds himself is real? In that respect, she could look in her memory for any doubts or discrepancies that may have occurred to her as his story was revealed to her.

Next, if she is convinced of the verity of his situation as he describes it, there are several practical things written about here by others that she can do, in terms of making his situation slightly easier. 

Then, there is the question of the money for an airline ticket out of Thailand for him. IMO, she should seek the advice of professionals in this area as to how best to proceed - the Immigration Dept will have procedure to follow, so she should not just go ahead and buy a ticket in the hope that it can be used. There may also be some tips as to how to save money and avoid a full-fare ticket such as may be bought directly at the airport (always to be avoided).

Finally, as advised, she seems to have little hope, beyond a few brief visits at IDC, of seeing much of her BF, so she should prepare herself for little reward and considerable expenses for her good deed, if she does proceed.

[ubonjoe]

5 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said:

I wonder if the OP will have to check if a deportation order has been issued against him. It is likely it hasn't been, so how much time is that going to take? She is going to be in Thailand for only two weeks, you see. 

I also wonder if she will have to ask him to check the terms if any of this deportation order because if that order has a DO-NOT-ENTER-BY date then, he has to be careful he doesnt violate it otherwise he could be in the slammer for a long haul. 

The deportation order is done already. All that is needed now is departure from the country to finalize it,

There are no terms other than leaving the country. His 5 year ban or more will start from the day he departs from the country.

[overherebc]

9 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said:

I wonder if the OP will have to check if a deportation order has been issued against him. It is likely it hasn't been, so how much time is that going to take? She is going to be in Thailand for only two weeks, you see. 

I also wonder if she will have to ask him to check the terms if any of this deportation order because if that order has a DO-NOT-ENTER-BY date then, he has to be careful he doesnt violate it otherwise he could be in the slammer for a long haul. 

It would have been great if she could have extended her stay until he had flown out of the Kingdom. 

I am curious but I do not want to ask what he had been doing during the overstay period, it is up to her to enlighten us if she so wishes to do. But if she is taking the trouble to get him back, I am sure he deserved it, and she deserves better in Heaven :-(

 

 

You should google 'always look on the bright side of life' and watch the video.

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[Wake Up]

I sympathize with you as you seem a nice person. My grandfather used to say that life throws you curveballs and sometimes you throw them to yourself. Good news is when you throw them to yourself you don’t have to swing the bat —you can drop the bat and walk away. Based on the information you provided I would drop the bat and walk away. Nothing sounds good about your “BF” or his friends. Not a black or white thing but some people are always throwing themselves and their “GF” curve balls and expect  you to clean up their mess. Stay away and find a nice guy that will not disrupt your life this way. Love can be great but if he loved you he would treat you and himself better than this. Good luck with whatever you choose to do but it is ok to drop the bat and walk away and let this adult man figure it out. 

[Aditi Sharma]

12 minutes ago, Wake Up said:

I sympathize with you as you seem a nice person. My grandfather used to say that life throws you curveballs and sometimes you throw them to yourself. Good news is when you throw them to yourself you don’t have to swing the bat —you can drop the bat and walk away. Based on the information you provided I would drop the bat and walk away. Nothing sounds good about your “BF” or his friends. Not a black or white thing but some people are always throwing themselves and their “GF” curve balls and expect  you to clean up their mess. Stay away and find a nice guy that will not disrupt your life this way. Love can be great but if he loved you he would treat you and himself better than this. Good luck with whatever you choose to do but it is ok to drop the bat and walk away and let this adult man figure it out. 

 

Sir, this is pure speculation but I appreciate it. But what if they loved each other and he was in Thailand for her? You would argue that what I were saying was speculation as well. But we are here to help her and to give him ( and for that matter to her as well with her story) the benefit of the doubt is a polite, equitable, and a civilized thing to do by them. In one place she does say and I quote: " In our opinion, what should I do and in what order?" 

 

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[007 RED]

1 hour ago, Aditi Sharma said:

If you look carefully, it's not a bribe. A bribe in Mumbai is called chai-paani. 

I was always lead to believe that chai-paani means "tea and water" and is Indian slang for going out for a cup of tea or a tasty bite/snack.  When I was working in Maharashtra a good few years ago bribes were always referred to as  rishwat, bahsheesh, ghoos or hafta.

[overherebc]

50 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said:

 

Sir, this is pure speculation but I appreciate it. But what if they loved each other and he was in Thailand for her? You would argue that what I were saying was speculation as well. But we are here to help her and to give him ( and for that matter to her as well with her story) the benefit of the doubt is a polite, equitable, and a civilized thing to do by them. In one place she does say and I quote: " In our opinion, what should I do and in what order?" 

 

Sometimes love is one sided and many times is misguided.

[overherebc]

17 minutes ago, 007 RED said:

I was always lead to believe that chai-paani means "tea and water" and is Indian slang for going out for a cup of tea or a tasty bite/snack.  When I was working in Maharashtra a good few years ago bribes were always referred to as  rishwat, bahsheesh, ghoos or hafta.

Or, not a bribe but a gift given in thanks for a future favour.

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