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[snoop1130]

U.N. picks Norwegian for Myanmar role as tensions simmer over Rohingya crisis

 

A Rohingya refugee boy looks out onto Palong Khali refugee camp near Cox's Bazar, Bangladesh, October 30, 2017. REUTERS/Hannah McKay

 

YANGON (Reuters) - The United Nations named a new interim U.N. resident coordinator for Myanmar on Tuesday, appointing Knut Ostby of Norway to take over the humanitarian role at a time of growing strains with the Myanmar government over the handling of the Rohingya crisis.

 

The appointment of a temporary placeholder was expected after Myanmar blocked an upgrade of the U.N. country chief position.

 

Myanmar's de facto leader, Nobel Peace Prize winner Aung San Suu Kyi, has told diplomats in private meetings that she is frustrated with the United Nations, particularly its human rights arm.

 

Ostby, who has served with the United Nations in a number of hotspots, including Afghanistan and East Timor, will replace Renata Lok-Dessallien, who has completed her term.

 

Some 600,000 Rohingya Muslims have fled to Bangladesh after ethnic violence erupted in Myanmar's northern Rakhine state in late August.

 

Rights monitors and Rohingya refugees say the army and Rakhine Buddhist vigilantes have forced them to flee their homes.

 

U.N. investigators interviewing Rohingyas living in refugee camps near Cox's Bazar said on Friday they had gathered testimony pointing to a "consistent, methodical pattern" of killings, torture, rape and arson.

 

The fact-finding team, led by former Indonesian attorney general Marzuki Darusman, said the death toll from the Myanmar army's crackdown following Rohingya insurgent attacks on Aug. 25 was unknown, but "may turn out to be extremely high".

 

The U.N. team, which was established by the U.N. Human Rights Council in March, renewed its appeal for access to Rakhine state and for talks with the Myanmar government and military to "establish the facts".

 

In the early stages of the crisis, the United Nations described the military campaign as "ethnic cleansing", an accusation rejected by Myanmar, which says its military was engaged in counter-insurgency operations against Rohingya militants behind a series of attacks on security posts.

 

Suu Kyi has said the refugees can return, but thousands continue to arrive in Bangladesh.

 

Myanmar, an overwhelmingly Buddhist country with small Christian and Muslim minorities, is struggling to emerge from decades of military rule, and Suu Kyi's democratically elected government is engaged in a peace dialogue with members of various armed ethnic groups.

 

(Reporting by Antoni Slodowski; Writing by Simon Cameron-Moore)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-10-31

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Myanmar has Rohingya Muslims.

Good on you Myanmar get rid before you have even bigger trouble declare your country as a Buddhist state and have peace.

 

[craigt3365]

11 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Good on you Myanmar get rid before you have even bigger trouble declare your country as a Buddhist state and have peace.

 

You seem to have missed the fact these peaceful buddhist monks were some of the ones causing all the problems.  You also don't seem to know much about Myanmar.  They are far from an all Buddhist country.  Never will be.  Just like Thailand.

[FreddieRoyle]

4 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

You seem to have missed the fact these peaceful buddhist monks were some of the ones causing all the problems.  You also don't seem to know much about Myanmar.  They are far from an all Buddhist country.  Never will be.  Just like Thailand.

The recent exodus was precipitated by a mass attack on Burmese army and police stations by the Rohingya muslims. The age of PC hasn't arrived yet in Burma and the attackers set off a brutal retaliation that saw them having to tuck tail and bolt for the border and spiritual homeland, Bangladesh. The remaining Rohingya in Burma will be thinking twice before doing any more attacks on Burmese officials. 

[craigt3365]

2 minutes ago, FreddieRoyle said:

The recent exodus was precipitated by a mass attack on Burmese army and police stations by the Rohingya muslims. The age of PC hasn't arrived yet in Burma and the attackers set off a brutal retaliation that saw them having to tuck tail and bolt for the border and spiritual homeland, Bangladesh. The remaining Rohingya in Burma will be thinking twice before doing any more attacks on Burmese officials. 

A mass attack?  It was some 2 dozen guys armed with sticks and knives. LOL.  Sure, they are to blame for the attacks.  But don't you think the retribution was a bit too much?  Now some 1 million are in Bangladesh?  Doesn't seem fair.

 

If you look back further, the Burmese army is ultimately to blame for the decades of abuse these people have suffered.  Same with the Karin.  Who aren't muslims.  And huge numbers take refuge here in Thailand.

[FreddieRoyle]

5 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

A mass attack?  It was some 2 dozen guys armed with sticks and knives. LOL.  Sure, they are to blame for the attacks.  But don't you think the retribution was a bit too much?  Now some 1 million are in Bangladesh?  Doesn't seem fair.

 

If you look back further, the Burmese army is ultimately to blame for the decades of abuse these people have suffered.  Same with the Karin.  Who aren't muslims.  And huge numbers take refuge here in Thailand.

quote"  It was some 2 dozen guys armed with sticks and knives. LOL. "

 

 Absolutely false, it was a brutal and sustained attack using many weapons and bombs. Nothing LOL about it at all, and the response by the Burmese was justified and IMO the right thing to do.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-myanmar-rohingya/at-least-71-killed-in-myanmar-as-rohingya-insurgents-stage-major-attack-idUSKCN1B507K

[craigt3365]

6 minutes ago, FreddieRoyle said:

quote"  It was some 2 dozen guys armed with sticks and knives. LOL. "

 

 Absolutely false, it was a brutal and sustained attack using many weapons and bombs. Nothing LOL about it at all, and the response by the Burmese was justified and IMO the right thing to do.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-myanmar-rohingya/at-least-71-killed-in-myanmar-as-rohingya-insurgents-stage-major-attack-idUSKCN1B507K

Brutal? 59 of them were killed vs. 12 Burmese army.  Brutal for sure!

 

Perhaps if they treated these people properly they wouldn't have the problems. LOL

[FreddieRoyle]

1 minute ago, craigt3365 said:

Brutal? 59 of them were killed vs. 12 Burmese army.  Brutal for sure!

 

Perhaps if they treated these people properly they wouldn't have the problems. LOL

They attacked the Burmese army, what are the army supposed to do? Run away?

 

In Europe the Islamists were treated "properly", given mosques, free accommodation, spending money, and were they happy with that? No, jihadi terror is through the roof, and growing exponentially. The Burmese have it exactly right here, they are battling an evil ideology that has no place in Burma. If only western nations had such testicular fortitude and cared to protect their citizens.

[Srikcir]

4 minutes ago, FreddieRoyle said:

The Burmese have it exactly right here, they are battling an evil ideology that has no place in Burma.

So you support ethnic cleansing as the solution?

[craigt3365]

4 minutes ago, FreddieRoyle said:

They attacked the Burmese army, what are the army supposed to do? Run away?

 

In Europe the Islamists were treated "properly", given mosques, free accommodation, spending money, and were they happy with that? No, jihadi terror is through the roof, and growing exponentially. The Burmese have it exactly right here, they are battling an evil ideology that has no place in Burma. If only western nations had such testicular fortitude and cared to protect their citizens.

Agreed.  They started the battle and have to deal with the consequences.

 

You can't compare those in Europe to these people in Myanmar.  They've been there for at least 150 years.  Maybe up to 400.  They don't initiate violence, just responding to the brutal treatment of their people by the military run government.  Which has been going on for decades.

 

There is nothing evil about their ideology.  If only western nations had enough fortitude to sanction this brutal regime.

 

You expect these guys to not fight back.  It's ethnic genocide.  Sad you seem to support it.  Says a lot about a man's character.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/07/massacre-at-tula-toli-rohingya-villagers-recall-horror-of-myanmar-army-attack

 

Quote

 

Massacre at Tula Toli: Rohingya recall horror of Myanmar army attack

 

Ahmed said teenagers and adults were shot with rifles, while babies and toddlers, including his youngest daughter, six-month old Hasina, were thrown into the water.

 

 

 

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

You seem to have missed the fact these peaceful buddhist monks were some of the ones causing all the problems.  You also don't seem to know much about Myanmar.  They are far from an all Buddhist country.  Never will be.  Just like Thailand.

Not missing any facts you need to get facts the less muslim in Myanmar less trouble simple.

I didn't say they were a Buddhist country.

 

You don't seem to know much about Thailand,  Thailand is the world's most heavily Buddhist country about 90% percent of all the people in Thailand are Buddhist mostly Theravada. 

[Kwasaki]

53 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

It's ethnic genocide

Rubbish there sending them back where they came from, they have never been recognized by Myanmar never belonged there same as you in Thailand you make trouble your kicked out.

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Not missing any facts you need to get facts the less muslim in Myanmar less trouble simple.

I didn't say they were a Buddhist country.

 

You don't seem to know much about Thailand,  Thailand is the world's most heavily Buddhist country about 90% percent of all the people in Thailand are Buddhist mostly Theravada. 

I just spent 10 days in Bangladesh.  It was a Muslim festival, but Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, etc were all out and mixing very well.  So no, the religion isn't the problem in Myanmar.  It's the dictator military government.  As confirmed by the UN and dozens of countries that are going after them for this.

 

I know Thailand very well. 

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Rubbish there sending them back where they came from, they have never been recognized by Myanmar never belonged there same as you in Thailand you make trouble your kicked out.

They're from Myanmar!  Not Bangladesh.  Jeez...they were born there! 

 

Your facts are way off.

[ilostmypassword]

2 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

They attacked the Burmese army, what are the army supposed to do? Run away?

 

In Europe the Islamists were treated "properly", given mosques, free accommodation, spending money, and were they happy with that? No, jihadi terror is through the roof, and growing exponentially. The Burmese have it exactly right here, they are battling an evil ideology that has no place in Burma. If only western nations had such testicular fortitude and cared to protect their citizens.

Jihadi terror is through the roof in Europe? Really? Maybe if your home has 1 inch high ceilings. The odds of being killed by a jihadi in Europe are less than a million to one. I bet you think lottery tickets are a wise investment, too.

[Kwasaki]

28 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

As confirmed by the UN

Oh the UN well that's that then, you are a comedian. 

[ilostmypassword]

1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

Oh the UN well that's that then, you are a comedian. 

And your counter citation seems to be a smiley emoji. Clearly you understood how evidence works.

[craigt3365]

2 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Oh the UN well that's that then, you are a comedian. 

Only somebody who doesn't under the UN would say that.  Then again, you're supporting genocide.  Horrible.

[Kwasaki]

31 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

They're from Myanmar!  Not Bangladesh.  Jeez...they were born there! 

 

Your facts are way off.

You don't get it, born in there from descendants but not recognized as Myanmar.

[craigt3365]

1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

You don't get it, born in there from descendants but not recognized as Myanmar.

Generations of them were born there from people who've lived in that area for hundreds of years.  Not being recognized by Myanmar is the big problem. 

[Scott]

The Rohingya are considered to be one of the most persecuted groups on earth.   Whatever the situation which put them in Myanmar, that is the country they are are a part of.   Here are some of the restrictions which are placed on them in Myanmar:

 

1.   They are not allowed to marry without permission from the gov't.

2.   They are prohibited from having more than two children.

3.   They are not allowed to move, relocate or travel freely from place to place within the province and not allowed or severely restricted from traveling outside the province of Rakhine. 

4.   There are other restrictions on land ownership, building of homes or even repairing homes.

 

These same restrictions do not apply to other groups in Myanmar.  

 

We have seen that the treatment they received when fleeing through Thailand (and Thai waters) has resulted in many, many being killed and others being sold into slavery.  

 

Here's one brief older link on their rights:

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26333580

 

[MartinBangkok]

I'm Norwegian. Getting this Norwegian guy to head it all is not good. Norwegian's getting high profile roles in the UN is a result of disguised corruption by the Norwegian government. He's as corrupt as they come. The scary thing is nobody believes this as everybody thinks Norwegians are not corrupt..

Edited November 1, 2017 by MartinBangkok
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[simple1]

14 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

You don't get it, born in there from descendants but not recognized as Myanmar.

 

Interesting to observe TV members expressing support for War Crimes/Human Rights Abuse. 

 

The founder of the Burmese independent State did recognise Rohingya as a local ethnic group, indeed there was Rohingya political representation. Reversing the status of Rohingya was an act of collective punishment after some insurgency activity. Under the 1949 Geneva Conventions, collective punishment is a War Crime.

 

You and the other poster are expressing support for massive human rights abuses in Myanmar, which for years have not just targeted the Rohingya, but include ethnic groups e.g. who converted to Christianity. So let's hear from you and your posting companion your clear support for 'Buddhist' representatives of the State murdering and using rape as a tool of war against Christians and other ethnic groups in Myanmar for decades.

 

 

Edited November 1, 2017 by simple1