Normal UK immigration rules for Yingluck: Don

[webfact]

Normal UK immigration rules for Yingluck: Don

By WASAMON AUDJARINT 
THE NATION

 

Yingluck Shinawatra

 

THAI GOVT TOLD NO POLITICAL ASYLUM INVOLVED FOR FORMER PM, ALTHOUGH HER LOCATION UNCONFIRMED

THE UNITED Kingdom has informed Thailand that if former premier Yingluck Shinawatra went to stay in the country, it would not involve political asylum, Thai Foreign Affairs Minister Don Pramudwinai said yesterday. 

 

“The UK said that if Yingluck came to stay in the UK, there would not be an issue of political asylum. If she wanted to stay, she would need to follow the normal immigration process,” Don said, responding to a reporter’s question whether Yingluck had already been granted political asylum.

 

A source in Pheu Thai Party, meanwhile, speculated that Yingluck was seeking asylum in unspecified countries, but did not say that she was only dealing with the UK. The source said that the former prime minister wanted to finalise the matter, which is one reason why she had not been seen in public recently.

 

The Nation contacted the British Embassy to inquire about the matter, and was told that it could not provide specific information about individuals involved in the immigration process. 

 

Prime Minister General Prayut Chan-o-cha said at his weekly press briefing at Government House that Thai authorities still had not received a confirmation from any foreign country about Yingluck’s whereabouts.

 

 Wherever Yingluck is located, the host country should confirm her whereabouts to Thailand so official procedures could be carried out, Prayut said, apparently referring to extradition efforts by authorities. 

 

He added that authorities had been following the case closely and undertaking every possible legal procedure, including the revocation of Yingluck’s four passports.

 

Deputy Police Commissioner Pol General Srivara Ransibrahmanakul said Thai police had not been updated by Interpol, apart from the fact that Yingluck had fled to the United Arab Emirates and then to the UK, which was already known. 

 

Attorney-General Khemchai Chutiwong added that his office could not make any progress on the extradition since it did not know Yingluck’s whereabouts. 

 

Don said the process would start with the police and the Attorney-General’s Office, while the Foreign Ministry would only communicate with other countries on the issue.

 

On Monday, police revealed that all four Thai passports held by Yingluck had been revoked by the Foreign Ministry last week following a police request. 

 

The cancellation was Thai authorities’ latest action relating to the fugitive former premier, who was sentenced for five years in absentia for failing to prevent corruption in her government’s rice-pledging scheme.

 

Yingluck fled before the court verdict was due to be read on August 25. After the court then ruled on her case on September 27, she had 30 days to make an appeal in person, but did not do so, which means the case is technically concluded. 

 

In accordance with new legal procedures for cases against politicians, the statute of limitation does not apply to the case, which apparently means her fugitive status is permanent. 

 

A source from Pheu Thai Party said it was believed that Yingluck had sought asylum in several countries. In a worst-case scenario for her, she could stay in Dubai with her brother, Thaksin Shinawatra, the source said. 

 

Uncertainty over asylum was one reason why Yingluck had kept a low profile since her disappearance from Thailand, the source said. She also had waited for the mourning period for His Majesty the late King Bhumibol Adulyadej to pass.

 

However, the source said Yingluck would eventually have to publicly address the verdict. “This is politically necessary. It should be better than letting herself be branded with the guilt forever,” the source said.

 

“Currently, there is no factor that would shift this possibility.” 

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30330524

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2017-11-01

[tracker1]

Talk about a witch hunt ! obviously someone has it in for the Shins and it isnt half obvious ! when there are murderers, money embezelers  and monks hideing overseas !

[Briggsy]

I knew she would never never apply for political asylum. Ultra-rich Asians just don't roll like that. Investor type visas and/or second nationalities are the way to go for them.

[Thechook]

1 hour ago, tracker1 said:

Talk about a witch hunt ! obviously someone has it in for the Shins and it isnt half obvious ! when there are murderers, money embezelers  and monks hideing overseas !

It has always been seen as a personal thing for Prayuth and his friends.

[klauskunkel]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Wherever Yingluck is located, the host country should confirm her whereabouts to Thailand so official procedures could be carried out, Prayut said

Thai government asking foreign countries for help with their lost-and-found procedure...

[Ossy]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

“The UK said that if Yingluck came to stay in the UK, there would not be an issue of political asylum. If she wanted to stay, she would need to . . .

 . . . Wherever Yingluck is located, the host country should confirm her whereabouts to Thailand so official procedures could be carried out, Prayut said, apparently referring to extradition efforts by authorities.

I could have told Prayut, long ago, that Theresa May has already had covert discussions with YL, re her making a 'token' contribution to the Tories' cash reserves and, as a sweetener, her taking over the Brexit negotiations from the nice-but-dim David Davis, knowing that she'd have 'no probs' in getting her own way with the Barnier-Juncker duo.

 

That the UK would be likely to accede to Prayut's demands for 'official procedures to be carried out' is unlikely, I feel, given its implying that it may involve surgery of some kind.

[Thechook]

Now let's hear what England has to say.  This Thai government has a reputation of making statements for others.  At the moment it's just manure being fed to the mushrooms.

[soalbundy]

She could make an LM statement and then apply for political asylum

[YetAnother]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

A source from Pheu Thai Party said it was believed that Yingluck had sought asylum in several countries. In a worst-case scenario for her, she could stay in Dubai with her brother, Thaksin Shinawatra, the source said. 

does her brother have asylum anywhere ? if not , why is this even an issue ? he nor she wont Ever be extradited , from anywhere

[CGW]

For some reason? The UK & the Uk press has always been very "forgiving" of the Thai's, specifically why I have no idea?

[Borzandy]

How YS could even travel to UK, all her passports have been revoked.

[ignis]

18 minutes ago, Borzandy said:

How YS could even travel to UK, all her passports have been revoked.

You mean Thai Passports, or at least the Thai ones they know about..

[yellowboat]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

Wherever Yingluck is located, the host country should confirm her whereabouts to Thailand so official procedures could be carried out, Prayut said, apparently referring to extradition efforts by authorities. 

Why? Just because the Thai government happily treats foreigners poorly does not mean other governments must do the same.  The rights of a Thai national who behaves lawfully is no business of the Thai government.  Thai law does not have any influence of foreign countries.  Should ?  Why ?

Edited November 1, 2017 by yellowboat

[Mainhattencitizen]

1 hour ago, klauskunkel said:

Thai government asking foreign countries for help with their lost-and-found procedure...

These military monkeys need to wake up. No western country is going to tell them anything and I also miss this urgency in the case of Mr. Red Bull.

[Get Real]

Another one running from the law. Have to make a TopFugitive100 list for this country soon.

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, klauskunkel said:

Thai government asking foreign countries for help with their lost-and-found procedure...

Lost and not found... 

[Thakkar]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

He added that authorities had been following the case closely and undertaking every possible legal procedure, including the revocation of Yingluck’s four passports.

“Rest assured everyone, we have closed the barn door. I repeat: we have closed the barn door. The escaped horse will never escape again, Never!”

[dieseldave1951]

2 hours ago, Borzandy said:

How YS could even travel to UK, all her passports have been revoked.

maybe duel nationality. i would not think the Thai authorities can revoke a passport issued from another country, maybe they like to think they can ???????

and all the rest of the fugitives have faded away red bull, monk, and all

Edited November 1, 2017 by dieseldave1951

[JAG]

3 hours ago, Borzandy said:

How YS could even travel to UK, all her passports have been revoked.

Well she travelled to to the UK (or wherever) long before any passports were revoked. 

If she is, as we are told, in the UK, and her passport has been revoked, the UK authorities (who would know exactly who she is, and why she is there) are hardly likely to send her back to Thailand. If she wished to travel outside the UK, and maybe even return, I'm sure that could be arranged also, probably without reference to or consulting the Thai Government.

 

What is more, revoking her passport is just another on a list of reasons why the UK might consider giving her asylum. I wonder if "Don" considered that?

 

Still, it's nice to know that he is prepared to advise the Home Office on these matters. Must be a load off their minds...

Edited November 1, 2017 by JAG

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, Thechook said:

Now let's hear what England has to say.  This Thai government has a reputation of making statements for others.  At the moment it's just manure being fed to the mushrooms.

 

England won't say anything sport. The UK might. Although as the Embassy rightly said, they don't comment on individual cases.

 

But, the UK, like most countries these days, warmly welcomes the very wealthy. And the billionaire Yingluck, little sister of the multi billionaire Thaksin, who own a nice London mansion, isn't gonna have much trouble satisfying visa requirements. She could easily buy citizenship as an investor if she wants.

 

Political Asylum - the UK won't accept a request from someone who is making multiple country applications. So PTP are probably talking BS too. But there are many countries who would welcome a new billionaire citizen. Mega money makes the difference!

 

As for extradition - 555! First they have to find her. They keep saying Interpol this and Interpol that - wonder if they've actually submitted a credible correctly completed request for the Blue Notice! 

[Baerboxer]

29 minutes ago, JAG said:

Well she travelled to to the UK (or wherever) long before any passports were revoked. 

If she is, as we are told, in the UK, and her passport has been revoked, the UK authorities (who would know exactly who she is, and why she is there) are hardly likely to send her back to Thailand. If she wished to travel outside the UK, and maybe even return, I'm sure that could be arranged also, probably without reference to or consulting the Thai Government.

 

What is more, revoking her passport is just another on a list of reasons why the UK might consider giving her asylum. I wonder if "Don" considered that?

 

Still, it's nice to know that he is prepared to advise the Home Office on these matters. Must be a load off their minds...

 

If she applies for political asylum in multiple countries the UK won't accept that.

 

But she traveled from Dubai, probably in a private plane, with 4 good passports, 2 of which were Diplomatic, and none of which were revoked at the time. She would have entered through the VIP channel  - and not had to queue up in the shit hole immigration all like the plebs. Her flunkies would do all the running around of course. Her brother owns a mansion in London and she probably could show she had funds to support herself without working (555!). So they had no reason to deny her entry and I'm sure her visa was applied for and granted some time ago.

 

Now the 4 Thai passports have been revoked she would face difficulties leaving or obtaining a new visa. Unless of course she already has a passport from another country(s) and entered on that. Who knows, but when you have the sort of wealth they do, the rules and options are very different,

 

As for cooperating with authorities. If Interpol issue a Blue Notice the UK police forces will respond if she is identified living in the UK. If a Red Notice is issued, the UK police will action. Extradition is then decided by the courts. But, given the usual shambles, aggravated by the smoke and mirrors that accompanies everything like this here, they'll probably never even get the blue notice issued!

 

 

[JAG]

6 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

If she applies for political asylum in multiple countries the UK won't accept that.

 

But she traveled from Dubai, probably in a private plane, with 4 good passports, 2 of which were Diplomatic, and none of which were revoked at the time. She would have entered through the VIP channel  - and not had to queue up in the shit hole immigration all like the plebs. Her flunkies would do all the running around of course. Her brother owns a mansion in London and she probably could show she had funds to support herself without working (555!). So they had no reason to deny her entry and I'm sure her visa was applied for and granted some time ago.

 

Now the 4 Thai passports have been revoked she would face difficulties leaving or obtaining a new visa. Unless of course she already has a passport from another country(s) and entered on that. Who knows, but when you have the sort of wealth they do, the rules and options are very different,

 

As for cooperating with authorities. If Interpol issue a Blue Notice the UK police forces will respond if she is identified living in the UK. If a Red Notice is issued, the UK police will action. Extradition is then decided by the courts. But, given the usual shambles, aggravated by the smoke and mirrors that accompanies everything like this here, they'll probably never even get the blue notice issued!

 

 

2

If she is in the UK, the Home Office may well issue her with a "laissez-passer" which would allow her to travel to and return from specific pre-organised destinations. As you point out her wealth, and if I may add her status as the last elected Prime Minister of a country now run by a junta ( yes I know) makes that entirely possible. Her presence and movements would be handled by her lawyers and the Home Office at a fairly high level. As for her potential asylum status, well, again she is hardly in the same situation as some character turning up at Dover riding in the back of a fruit and veg lorry! Again lawyers and high-level interest come into play - she won't have to spend hours in a waiting room in Croydon!

 

As for the rainbow-hued correspondence with Interpol,  they probably haven't got a colour printer!

[Kieran00001]

5 hours ago, Briggsy said:

I knew she would never never apply for political asylum. Ultra-rich Asians just don't roll like that. Investor type visas and/or second nationalities are the way to go for them.

 

Her own brother "rolled like that".

[Kieran00001]

25 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

If she applies for political asylum in multiple countries the UK won't accept that.

 

But she traveled from Dubai, probably in a private plane, with 4 good passports, 2 of which were Diplomatic, and none of which were revoked at the time. She would have entered through the VIP channel  - and not had to queue up in the shit hole immigration all like the plebs. Her flunkies would do all the running around of course. Her brother owns a mansion in London and she probably could show she had funds to support herself without working (555!). So they had no reason to deny her entry and I'm sure her visa was applied for and granted some time ago.

 

Now the 4 Thai passports have been revoked she would face difficulties leaving or obtaining a new visa. Unless of course she already has a passport from another country(s) and entered on that. Who knows, but when you have the sort of wealth they do, the rules and options are very different,

 

As for cooperating with authorities. If Interpol issue a Blue Notice the UK police forces will respond if she is identified living in the UK. If a Red Notice is issued, the UK police will action. Extradition is then decided by the courts. But, given the usual shambles, aggravated by the smoke and mirrors that accompanies everything like this here, they'll probably never even get the blue notice issued!

 

 

 

No smoke and mirrors needed for Interpol to see that the charge is mostly political in nature and so against their rules, they will not be issuing any notices.

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, JAG said:

If she is in the UK, the Home Office may well issue her with a "laissez-passer" which would allow her to travel to and return from specific pre-organised destinations. As you point out her wealth, and if I may add her status as the last elected Prime Minister of a country now run by a junta ( yes I know) makes that entirely possible. Her presence and movements would be handled by her lawyers and the Home Office at a fairly high level. As for her potential asylum status, well, again she is hardly in the same situation as some character turning up at Dover riding in the back of a fruit and veg lorry! Again lawyers and high-level interest come into play - she won't have to spend hours in a waiting room in Croydon!

 

As for the rainbow-hued correspondence with Interpol,  they probably haven't got a colour printer!

 

I think you solved their problem - no color printer and no colored photo copy paper. How to do a Blue Notice then!!!

 

Whilst she was indeed the last elected PM, she was also the last PM removed from office by a court! The UK, like all developed major countries will be very well informed on all the dalliances and habits of the Shins. Just as they will the Junta. It's the mega wealth and all the benefits that brings that's the driver. Politically, the UK seem fairly neutral. Military exercises with the Junta, plenty of business and educational development as usual. The UK isn't going to actively support the Shins politically. So better she pursues the mega wealth route to citizenship,

 

They stand little chance of extradition though, even if they ever manage to get that far. Fall at the first hurdle.

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

No smoke and mirrors needed for Interpol to see that the charge is mostly political in nature and so against their rules, they will not be issuing any notices.

 

When you have proof that Interpol have ruled it political in nature,  please share it with us.

 

Until then, it's just your opinion they might see it that way.

[Baerboxer]

10 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Her own brother "rolled like that".

 

Really - in which country / countries has he applied for political asylum?

[baboon]

"The UK said that if Yingluck came to stay in the UK, there would not be an issue of political asylum. If she wanted to stay, she would need to follow the normal immigration process,” Don said, responding to a reporter’s question whether Yingluck had already been granted political asylum.

 

Utter excrement. No way would a UK spokesperson say anything other than 'No comment' or 'Any case will be examined on its merits', otherwise they would have lawyers and the press all over them.

[Guitar God]

How do you follow "normal immigration rules" when entering a country when all your passports have been revoked ?

[garbolino]

4 hours ago, klauskunkel said:

Thai government asking foreign countries for help with their lost-and-found procedure...

some weeks ago it was stated that 190 countries had been asked/informed, for the whereabouts of YINGLUK......there are only 193 countries IN THE WORLD....!!