Isn't it amazing, how many of these "totally innocent" and "wrongly accused" pervs are willing to cough up truckloads of money, to "settle"?

 

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

No, justice isn't served merely by someone bribing their way out of a criminal offense.

 

Justice is served when society at large can see that people who engage in criminal conduct are actually punished in accord with the severity of their crime and Thailand's criminal code. Then people can see that justice can be had for all, and that money isn't simply an eraser for all crimes.

 

"Justice is served when society at large can see that people who engage in criminal conduct are actually punished in accord with [the severity of their crime and] Thailand's criminal code.

 

That's exactly what I was saying!   It is Thai law that allows that arrangement and in the circumstances of mutually acceptable arrangements being made between accused and victim that is not bribery!

29 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

As you well know, that's not what I said. 

 

Thai law does, however, in certain circumstances, allow for agreements for compensation to be paid to victims of crime who may decide not to insist on charges being made as a result of those negotiations.  If we, as foreigners don't like it, that's just hard cheese.

As you know, that is what I was saying.

 

Edited November 28, 20178 yr by Bluespunk

12 minutes ago, kingkenny said:

Wow, it seems I am not the only one in this thread reading you correctly, are we all incorrect about your posting style?

 

Clearly your reading of posts is not as good as you think it is.

 

Anyway, you just carry on as you are if you choose to, I was correct, it is all about opinions however if you disagree with someone else opinion I suggest you deal with what the opinion actually is, rather than what you wish it to be to fit your agenda.

 

So what if you're not the only one, that proves what exactly?  You don't really think that everyone  is in agreement with you, do you?

 

Anyway, thanks for your go ahead for me to continue to have my own opinion, it's much appreciated, for a moment I thought that you may not be allowing it.

 

I'm still interested to see what, apart from my having an opinion, you think that "my agenda" may be.

1 hour ago, Just Weird said:

"Justice is served when society at large can see that people who engage in criminal conduct are actually punished in accord with [the severity of their crime and] Thailand's criminal code.

 

That's exactly what I was saying!   It is Thai law that allows that arrangement and in the circumstances of mutually acceptable arrangements being made between accused and victim that is not bribery!

 

You're word picking, selectively.  Thai criminal law may allow compensation.

 

But it's not meant to be a get out of jail card for wealthy criminals. If anything, it should be compensation AND traditional punishment for criminal offenses, not the former in lieu of the latter.

 

Edited November 28, 20178 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

3 hours ago, Just Weird said:

"...simply pay the victims ..."

That's not what is happening, there is a police investigation and charges also.  It's not only what happened to the minor in the van case, either.  As for parents marrying off a rape victim to the rapist where was that reported or is that just folklore?

mate,if you have lived here over a few years you would have read about them in here, also I dont call bugger all hours of community service in her uncles hospital punishment, check your facts

 

apparently in g7 countries there are cases where even if allegations are false, the cost of paid settlements without admitting guilt or innocence can be much less then going to court.  

'Just Weird' is just and exactly that to me: just weird...! It's not about 'Thai Law' and how it is made use, or abuse, of, the main point is an universal concept of Justice (capital 'J') which should be(!), alas only in an idealistic view as per today, valid all over planet earth, in every country, with the defense and protection of EVERY individual, whoever she/he might be, the same Law for ALL, as the core, don't you get it?

While you seem to be very pleased (with yourself?) defending the Thai indefensible lack of application of its own (many of antiquitated and not adapted to the juris prudentia, N.B.) arsenal of laws, with police and courts still neck deep into medieval respect, and excuses, for the influential and wealthy (leaving bribes out of scope here), as opposed to the 80+% of 'small people', 'have nots'!

What does that make of you, hmm...?

Edited November 28, 20178 yr by bangrak

What I see coming: a 'settlement' on an undisclosed amount, ...and, as 'settling' means avoiding consequences for something wrong one did: that 'Dr' will not have to fear any criminal charge, any issue with the order of medical practicians, no problem with his (juicy?) private clinic operation, no social finger-pointing even, ...as his name will not be made public! Lady Justice is not blindfolded in Thailand! How could Thailand, ever, pretend to be a 'democracy'(small caps), as long as it does not have real, true Justice for all?

Another example of that:

 

Say you're a farang, get drunk and start sexually groping women at the market or the mall or movie theater...

 

Do you think the police are going to let you out walking around without ever being detained. And do you think you'd escape from that kind of incident with your name never being disclosed to the media?

 

 

2 hours ago, Just Weird said:

So what if you're not the only one, that proves what exactly?  You don't really think that everyone  is in agreement with you, do you?

 

Anyway, thanks for your go ahead for me to continue to have my own opinion, it's much appreciated, for a moment I thought that you may not be allowing it.

 

I'm still interested to see what, apart from my having an opinion, you think that "my agenda" may be.

I think you are doing just fine and dandy by yourself showing what your agenda is, you don't need my help on that clearly.

"it had not been proven that he had intentionally done anything wrong."

 

No, he didn't mean to do anything wrong, it was his pecker that directed that movie!

 

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

You're word picking, selectively.  Thai criminal law may allow compensation.

 

But it's not meant to be a get out of jail card for wealthy criminals. If anything, it should be compensation AND traditional punishment for criminal offenses, not the former in lieu of the latter.

 

No, I was just quoting exactly what you said.

 

You may be right about what you think the law should be, I'm not disputing that, but that doesn't alter the fact that the law does provide the compensation facility and it's possible benefit to the accused whether we like it or not.

5 hours ago, observer90210 said:

settle ?...willing to settle ?....oh right!...no jail in that case ?!....and back to business next week !!...       Case

Should at least be a 0 more after the amount to touch the level of real pain for being a bad and stupid man.

Edited November 28, 20178 yr by Get Real

1 hour ago, seajae said:

mate,if you have lived here over a few years you would have read about them in here, also I dont call bugger all hours of community service in her uncles hospital punishment, check your facts

 

Of course I've read about them, and Thaivisa and it's members posts aren't the only place to learn about them, in fact this is not a particularly good place to get real facts as you will know if you've lived here for a few years also.  The facts that I mentioned were not wrong.  In the case that you're specifically referring to the girl was a minor at the time of the accident and that was reflected in her punishment.  

56 minutes ago, kingkenny said:

I think you are doing just fine and dandy by yourself showing what your agenda is, you don't need my help on that clearly.

So you can't explain your accusation, then.  That's what I thought.  I don't think that I am doing well showing whatever it is you see as you are the only one who sees it.

 

I have no "agenda" (not that it would be any of your business even if I did have one) so let's hear what you mean or maybe just drop it.

Edited November 28, 20178 yr by Just Weird

5 hours ago, Just Weird said:

Case closed?  Apparently not..."The doctor is scheduled to meet police on Sunday to acknowledge criminal charges of committing an indecent act, which is punishable by imprisonment for up to 10 years, a Bt20,000 fine or both."

 

He was scheduled to meet them last Sunday and then got his lawyer to go and arrange to defer it to this coming Sunday.

 

So you think he'll turn up?

4 hours ago, Just Weird said:

"Justice is served when society at large can see that people who engage in criminal conduct are actually punished in accord with [the severity of their crime and] Thailand's criminal code.

 

That's exactly what I was saying!   It is Thai law that allows that arrangement and in the circumstances of mutually acceptable arrangements being made between accused and victim that is not bribery!

 

I don't know that the Thai criminal code specifically says you can buy your way out of criminal charges by paying off the victim(s). That kind of arrangement is not the same thing as simply allowing for compensation to victims of crimes alongside a regular criminal proceeding.

 

It's the police and public prosecutors who, for whatever their motives, seem willing in SOME cases to allow the payment of compensation INSTEAD of them filing appropriate criminal charges. Could that be in part because they sometimes get a cut of the action?

 

If that's the discretion they're exercising, IMHO, they're exercising it very poorly and not in the interests of societal justice. They're merely reinforcing the truth and the stereotype of Thailand that the wealthy can buy their way out of legal troubles, whereas those without resources simply get send to jail.  That's no kind of justice in any language.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Just Weird said:

So you can't explain your accusation, then.  That's what I thought.  I don't think that I am doing well showing whatever it is you see as you are the only one who sees it.

 

I have no "agenda" (not that it would be any of your business even if I did have one) so let's hear what you mean or maybe just drop it.

When your english wouldn't be that good, I would seriously think you are some Thai mandarin working for the (injust, despicable) 'system' in place with, its, blindingly obvious, 'two speed justice'(small cap), rich and influential vs. poor 'nobodies'(in the system's view)! When you would have a true, deep, feeling for what the 'bonemarrow' of this country is made of, not of 'old nobility elite', nor, even less, of 'new chinese merchants' elite', no, the masses of kind hearted, generous, ...gullible, ...defenseless, real Thais, you wouldn't be writing such (...)posts, at machine-gun-pace on top of it!

'Just weird', indeed so...

Edited November 28, 20178 yr by bangrak

 
I don't know that the Thai criminal code specifically says you can buy your way out of criminal charges by paying off the victim(s). That kind of arrangement is not the same thing as simply allowing for compensation to victims of crimes alongside a regular criminal proceeding.
 
It's the police and public prosecutors who, for whatever their motives, seem willing in SOME cases to allow the payment of compensation INSTEAD of them filing appropriate criminal charges. Could that be in part because they sometimes get a cut of the action?
 
If that's the discretion they're exercising, IMHO, they're exercising it very poorly and not in the interests of societal justice. They're merely reinforcing the truth and the stereotype of Thailand that the wealthy can buy their way out of legal troubles, whereas those without resources simply get send to jail.  That's no kind of justice in any language.
 
 
 

The Thai Criminal code does specifically allow for this. It contains the concept of a compoundable offence, which means that accused and victim can negotiate a monetary settlement and charges are dropped. The Criminal Code also calls out which offences are compoundable.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-difference-between-compoundable-and-non-compoundable-offence

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8 hours ago, brucec64 said:

The Thai Criminal code does specifically allow for this. It contains the concept of a compoundable offence, which means that accused and victim can negotiate a monetary settlement and charges are dropped. The Criminal Code also calls out which offences are compoundable.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-difference-between-compoundable-and-non-compoundable-offence

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Correct bruce64. If the ladies and the doctor reach an amicable financial settlement the case can be withdrawn without the consent of the police.

11 hours ago, Just Weird said:

So you can't explain your accusation, then.  That's what I thought.  I don't think that I am doing well showing whatever it is you see as you are the only one who sees it.

 

I have no "agenda" (not that it would be any of your business even if I did have one) so let's hear what you mean or maybe just drop it.

Still at it I see, rather than admit you are deliberately misinterpreting posts to push your own agenda you still bluster around trying to defend yourself.

Ah, so they prostitute themselves - which they are now threatening to do - and he gets away, surprise, surprise, with a feather on the wrist and a hardly dented bank account.

4 hours ago, kingkenny said:

Still at it I see, rather than admit you are deliberately misinterpreting posts to push your own agenda you still bluster around trying to defend yourself.

You started this and you wrongly said that before, still can't explain "my agenda" to me, can you?

41 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

You started this and you wrongly said that before, still can't explain "my agenda" to me, can you?

Read back and see how you misinterpreted my post, that is the start of this and you object to being called out on it by me and other posters.

 

On a positive note, I now seem to have my own digital stalker yayyyyyy

9 minutes ago, kingkenny said:

Read back and see how you misinterpreted my post, that is the start of this and you object to being called out on it by me and other posters.

 

On a positive note, I now seem to have my own digital stalker yayyyyyy

My responding to comments that you specifically address to me doesn't count as stalking.  

 

No misinterpretation on my part so I do respond to being wrongly called out on it by you.  I don't think that you can speak for other posters, can you? 

22 hours ago, Just Weird said:

Pointless complaining about a legal process in Thailand.

In Thailand, it's pointless complaining. 

Does this case go before the Thai Medical Council for investigation and if found Guilty will he be debarred from practicing?  Anyone any ideas?

On 11/28/2017 at 8:34 PM, Just Weird said:

Of course I've read about them, and Thaivisa and it's members posts aren't the only place to learn about them, in fact this is not a particularly good place to get real facts as you will know if you've lived here for a few years also.  The facts that I mentioned were not wrong.  In the case that you're specifically referring to the girl was a minor at the time of the accident and that was reflected in her punishment.  

All the news posts are from thai/english news so they are done by journalists not by thai visa themselves, they are real, the  minor that was driving a car was under age with no licence that killed 10 people and she had very wealthy parents with a very prominent name, she showed no remorse what so ever except for her  punishment, complained when they said she couldnt get her drivers license till she was 25 and her parents paid out millions in compensation to ensure she never did jail time, had nothing to do with her age but her parents standing, just look at all the rich kids/people that get off because their parents pay money, if they were poor they would be locked up as she should have been

 

Edited November 29, 20178 yr by seajae

1 hour ago, seajae said:

All the news posts are from thai/english news so they are done by journalists not by thai visa themselves, they are real, the  minor that was driving a car was under age with no licence that killed 10 people and she had very wealthy parents with a very prominent name, she showed no remorse what so ever except for her  punishment, complained when they said she couldnt get her drivers license till she was 25 and her parents paid out millions in compensation to ensure she never did jail time, had nothing to do with her age but her parents standing, just look at all the rich kids/people that get off because their parents pay money, if they were poor they would be locked up as she should have been

 

"All the news posts are from thai/english news so they are done by journalists not by thai visa themselves, they are real..."

I'm aware of that, that's why I referred to Thaivisa and it's members posts, it's the latter that are not unfrequently real.

 

"...had nothing to do with her age..."

Yes, it did, she was a minor at the time of the accident and that is always taken into account by the court.

 

"...and her parents paid out millions in compensation to ensure she never did jail time..."

Although most Thaivisa posters do not agree with it (as though it has anything to do with us), that is an arrangement that is facilitated by Thai law and commonly used by agreement of the parties involved.  There is nothing nefarious about it, the compensation was not paid to "ensure she never did jail time", it was paid under the provisions of the law.

 

"...just look at all the rich kids/people that get off because their parents pay money...".

Such as who?  There have been a number of affluent people who have not got off anything.